1. To unlock all of features of Rams On Demand please take a brief moment to register. Registering is not only quick and easy, it also allows you access to additional features such as live chat, private messaging, and a host of other apps exclusive to Rams On Demand.

It's going to be hard to pass on Clowney

Discussion in 'RAMS - NFL TALK' started by FRO, Mar 19, 2014.

  1. Flipper_336 Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2013
    Messages:
    594
    Likes Received:
    248
    He doesn't. He knows that he has to play well on every down or he won't get a mega-millions contract once his rookie one expires.*

    * please note that this hypothesis may be invalidated by the stupidity of NFL coaches and general managers.
     
    #41
    NJRamsFan likes this.
  2. NJRamsFan Cocaine Cowboy

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2012
    Messages:
    1,625
    Likes Received:
    1,515
    All due respect thats entirely different. The stakes have changed and clowney would never again have to worry about money or providing for his family. If he would have gotten seriously hurt going all out last season he would have just been that guy that used to be really good at football and that doesn't pay the bills.
     
    #42
    rhinobean likes this.
  3. Rams and Gators Well-Known Member Pit Boss

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2013
    Messages:
    5,597
    Likes Received:
    4,010
    He has potential to make more money in the first year of his 2nd contract than his entire rookie deal, you're 100% confident that now he has money he won't mail it in to get more?
     
    #43
  4. Angry Ram aka Captain RAmerica aka the OG Rammer

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2010
    Messages:
    6,345
    Likes Received:
    1,037
    Adrian Peterson didn't have questions about his willingness to go 100% all the time. That dude was a psycho at OU, so much so he got hurt b/c of his play style. Which is what dropped him a few.
     
    #44
  5. Sum1 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2010
    Messages:
    3,114
    Likes Received:
    1,521
    Well, he's going to have to show something in order to make that money in the 2nd contract.
     
    #45
  6. Rams and Gators Well-Known Member Pit Boss

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2013
    Messages:
    5,597
    Likes Received:
    4,010
    Something, but nothing stoping him from mailing it in for at least one season, if he can get drafted #2 overall by a team with zero need at DE on 2 out of 3 good seasons, then I don't see why his second contract would be any different.
     
    #46
  7. NJRamsFan Cocaine Cowboy

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2012
    Messages:
    1,625
    Likes Received:
    1,515
    No I'm not. You're 100% he will?

    Plus I don't see how mailing it in would get him more money.
     
    #47
  8. Rams and Gators Well-Known Member Pit Boss

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2013
    Messages:
    5,597
    Likes Received:
    4,010
    No but I'd have to be to take him at #2. He'll get paid if he has 2 or 3 good seasons in his first 4.
     
    #48
  9. rhinobean Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2013
    Messages:
    1,680
    Likes Received:
    615
    I'd be more concerned about him playing up to his 2nd contract than his rookie contract! That contract is the one. Of course he might flame out in his rookie contract and be out in 2 years!
     
    #49
  10. NJRamsFan Cocaine Cowboy

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2012
    Messages:
    1,625
    Likes Received:
    1,515
    Theres no way to ever be 100% certain on what a guy will or won't do in the future man...

    to your other point if he has 3 good seasons out of 4 he will deservingly get paid..right now our very own Robert Quinn has had 2 good seasons out of 3(one of which was great). If he does well again this coming year as I expect him to, he will be 3/4 and get paid. I don't see your point
     
    #50
  11. Yamahopper Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2010
    Messages:
    2,547
    Likes Received:
    1,118
    Thinking about it. Re-signing Saffold clears the way to take Clowney if the Rams want. They can get a ready to start guard in the 2nd or 3rd, sign a vet guard on a 1 year deal or let Jones have it. Can use #13 on CB/FS.The lack of love in FA for DB's says there going there often in the draft. But who knows a player could fall at another position at#13 the rams can't pass on. Same argument could be made for Watkins at #2.
    The re-signing of Saffold alone changes the path of franchise going forward.
     
    #51
  12. RaminExile Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2013
    Messages:
    1,102
    Likes Received:
    600
    That's fair. Its something to take into consideration - and I'd understand his point of view if that's why he did reduce his effort - but at pick number 2 in the NFL draft I wouldn't want to risk taking a guy who did have major question marks over his motor/effort/professionalism. I want to see a real desire to play the game - not just to take home a pay check. Look at guys like CJ1K. They have a great year when they're in a contract year - then go off the radar completely when they get paid! I hope Clowney isn't like this but I couldn't take the risk.

    Its obviously something teams will have been trying to figure out like mad - and that's what the interviews are for. We haven't heard from him directly on that and I wasn't in the interview room obviously so I don't know how it went down or whether our guys bought in or not but just answering the question raised in the thread my personal opinion is that I would pass on him.

    I'll probably look stupid in 10 years time when the guys a shoe in for the Hall of Fame so I'm glad its not my job to make these decisions!!
     
    #52
  13. NJRamsFan Cocaine Cowboy

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2012
    Messages:
    1,625
    Likes Received:
    1,515
    Yup, I see where you are coming from and thats the other side of the question. Theres no way for us to know what really happened or why it happened. I just see it the way I described, and if thats the case, I wouldn't fault him one bit. But no doubt I have to acknowledge he might just be lazy.

    One thing I know for sure is whoever we end up selecting I will immediately fall in love with and convince myself he will be a future HOF...just how I roll
     
    #53
    Ramrocket likes this.
  14. Memphis Ram Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2010
    Messages:
    2,259
    Likes Received:
    1,400
    Wasn't Courtney Brown's career was cut short due to a chronic knee condition suffered during his sophomore season?
     
    #54
  15. Ram Quixote Knight Errant

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2010
    Messages:
    2,550
    Likes Received:
    478
    My question, to all those who say Clowney takes plays off, what was his effort like in 2012 when he was punishing Olines, RBs and QBs? When most saw him as the freak talent he was?

    To me, that tape should be the litmus to the player.
     
    #55
    NJRamsFan likes this.
  16. Sum1 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2010
    Messages:
    3,114
    Likes Received:
    1,521
    He battled injuries but played up until 2006 I believe.

    That isn't the point. You can point to any single draft and say, "so and so took this player at this position rather than this player at this position, how did that turn out?"

    Why don't we talk about the last 10 Super Bowls. Of the last 10 Champions 7 have had a 1st round QB. That seems more telling than whether someone took David Carr over Julius Peppers, once.
     
    #56
  17. Flipper_336 Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2013
    Messages:
    594
    Likes Received:
    248
    That could easily be turned around: of the last twenty overall number one picks, only three have won a Superbowl with the team which drafted them.

    Is draft position overrated?
     
    #57
  18. Sum1 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2010
    Messages:
    3,114
    Likes Received:
    1,521
    I'd say more over valued than over rated. Which is why we turned that RG3 trade.
     
    #58
  19. jrry32 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2013
    Messages:
    7,778
    Likes Received:
    4,552
    I hate to say it but a good NFL QB has a greater impact over a HOF DE.
     
    #59
  20. Flipper_336 Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2013
    Messages:
    594
    Likes Received:
    248
    What's the difference?
     
    #60