Got to say it: McVay pissed me off

[Memphis Ram]

Exactly.

We need to cut the bullshit.

Facts are facts. Mcvay screwed up by betting on Blythe and Noteboom. At a minimum he trusted Kromers
Decision and was just dead wrong.

He’s a young coach and the inability to prioritize the Oline shows his inexperience. He fails to acknowledge
That his 30 ppg offense was nothing without the blockers up front combined with Goffs execution of the offense.

That is exactly what the reality is. He has a QB that can execute at the highest level with a competent Oline, but a coach who hasn’t said a word about the Oline and deflected blame from his own bad decision. And now he’s insinuating the QB might be a problem and will be evaluated. Give me a break. That’s poor leadership and personal accountability.

Imagine if someone asked me if my wife was my wife and I responded “right now yes”. And then I had time to hear the backlash from everyone and how they interpreted my statement. Then when asked again I said well I am evaluating every family member.

Imagine this happening after my wife was busting her ass picking up my laundry and cleaning my messes every week.

Thats some disrespectful shit.

If my wife divorced me on the spot and took half my money I deserved it.

And no, this don’t mean I don’t think Mcvay is a great coach. His record speaks for itself. But he did screw the pooch with the Oline and everyone can see it.

2 years ago Rodgers was on the 10-6 team sitting at home watching the high flying Rams lead by Goff.

Rodgers didn’t all of a sudden remember how to play QB and Goff suddenly forget. Watch the dam game. One team rebuilt their Oline. The other team neglected it and started believing their own Genius scheme would carry them.

Martz believed in his scheme so much that he thought even Marc Bulger could lead the Rams to the Super Bowl. Warner got blamed and was run out of town. The joke was on Martz, Warner who was disrespected was the one leading a team to a Super Bowl in a totally different “System”.

Apple meet orange. The wife analogy seems way off to me.

This is still a business where one party is being paid millions of dollars as the highest paid player on the team. I don't see how Goff was disrespected at all, if one doesn't put him up on a pedestal.

What we are witnessing is what can happen after a team's QB is no longer on that rookie contract in the salary cap era. Assets focused in one area can hurt the talent/depth in another.

Was the OLine great? No. But, the OLine wasn't horrible either. The OLine and overall team makeup is good enough to win with a QB who can make off schedule plays, which is a weakness for the highest paid player on the team.

 

[madrid311]

Goff has had many, I repeat, many years to get it right. 2 gutsy games at the end of the year doesn't make up for his consistent bone headed plays, plays that only an average qb would make after so many years playing already. I would be gun shy if I was the coach. we deserve better qb play all the time. yes the offensive line sucks. still.... he's not taking us anywhere. when is the team situation ever perfect? there are always holes. go rams 2021......

 

[Kevin]

Maybe McVay’s “fault” is putting too much faith in Kromer that he could develop middle and late round picks and free agent linemen like Demby and Blythe and Allen and a few others into capable, long term starters? Where’s the accountability for Kromer?

 

[RamDino]

Does anyone remember who our last BEST quarterback was before Goff? Answer... it was Warner, and that was 20 YEARS AGO! Do you want to go back to that for another 20 years? I'm not saying that Goff is the answer... but please be patient. I'm sure Mcvay and Snead will be looking at Deshawn Watson if they can make it work, but they are not gonna just cut Goff next year. For gosh sakes wake up and smell the smoldering mess that the Rams were before Goff got here (and I'm not counting his first 7 games under Fisher). And McVay has led the Rams to the playoffs in almost every year he has been here.

Any why blame McVay at all. He knew the Rams O-line wasn't great, but there were no other O-lineman available that were better than what he had. With the cap... you have to make choices. And I fully support the choices that McVay and Snead made this year. Call me a homer, but the Rams ALMOST made the NFC Championship game when most "experts" had them as the worst team in the NFC West. Fault McVay for that? I don't think so. I would congratulate McVay , Snead, and most of all.. the players.

 

[Tano]

Does anyone remember who our last BEST quarterback was before Goff? Answer... it was Warner, and that was 20 YEARS AGO! Do you want to go back to that for another 20 years? I'm not saying that Goff is the answer... but please be patient. I'm sure Mcvay and Snead will be looking at Deshawn Watson if they can make it work, but they are not gonna just cut Goff next year. For gosh sakes wake up and smell the smoldering mess that the Rams were before Goff got here (and I'm not counting his first 7 games under Fisher). And McVay has led the Rams to the playoffs in almost every year he has been here.

Any why blame McVay at all. He knew the Rams O-line wasn't great, but there were no other O-lineman available that were better than what he had. With the cap... you have to make choices. And I fully support the choices that McVay and Snead made this year. Call me a homer, but the Rams ALMOST made the NFC Championship game when most "experts" had them as the worst team in the NFC West. Fault McVay for that? I don't think so. I would congratulate McVay , Snead, and most of all.. the players.

And beating a dead horse into the ground ...... if not for a drop pass by Reynolds ....

 

[Ram_Rally]

Not only did he say that, but in an interview yesterday he wouldn't commit the Goff would even be on the roster. Which would really make me question Snead by the way.

 

[TXRams86]

It’s easy to read really far into what he said but to me it’s really simple: they’re exploring options at all positions, including QB. He’s non committed because he knows Snead is on the phone wheeling and dealing to see if we can bring someone else into the building. And this might end up costing us players in the process.

It’s really a common way of speaking when you’re in charge of making high level decisions like that. You don’t want to commit to something or someone then a month or two later the exact opposite comes true. People in these positions don’t need to answer to the media directly and I’m sure he doesn’t care that there’s a bunch of speculation floating around.

 

[FrantikRam]

Apple meet orange. The wife analogy seems way off to me.

This is still a business where one party is being paid millions of dollars as the highest paid player on the team. I don't see how Goff was disrespected at all, if one doesn't put him up on a pedestal.

What we are witnessing is what can happen after a team's QB is no longer on that rookie contract in the salary cap era. Assets focused in one area can hurt the talent/depth in another.

Was the OLine great? No. But, the OLine wasn't horrible either. The OLine and overall team makeup is good enough to win with a QB who can make off schedule plays, which is a weakness for the highest paid player on the team.

I remember saying before last season that when a QB gets paid, their supporting cast slowly deteriorates. It leaves much less room for error when drafting, and even if you draft incredibly well, the QB has to elevate average to below average players in order for the contract to make sense.

When people talk about the supporting cast - obviously it's not going to be that great. You can point to any number of things, but at the end of the day, if Goff played like a top 5 QB (which is currently how he's paid), we win the Super Bowl easily.

There are other issues with our team that we can point to - for example, how smart is it really to have two defensive players taking up 20% of your cap? It led us to have the number one defense, but then we saw what happens when one gets hurt.

Now with Staley, if he's a good HC there's a solid chance the Chargers will be better than us - this would be the second assistant to leave and end up with a better team, mainly because of the QB situation. There is a small part of me that wants the Rams to tear this thing down and start over to see what McVay can do from scratch. I think being instantly competitive ultimately held us back from winning a Super Bowl, although it gave us a chance to.

 

[majrleaged]

Look! Another Goff Thread!



all jokes aside, yes, I agree with @JackAttack85 Seems like a shit time to throw a guy under a bus after two super gutsy games in the playoffs. Hopefully he has a good reason. We are all just guessing at this point anyway

McVay will talk to Goff. Say something like, the last few weeks I liked what I saw. I knew you could do it. Now I expect to see the same urgency and focus all the time. If not we will look somewhere else. Its up to you now. Goff might say, fine, but get me better protection.

I guess will see how it works out.

 

[fearsomefour]

Hard to know what’s going on.
Speculation is just that.
No one knows outside of that office.
I wouldn’t say be threw him under the bus.
McVay wasn’t slurping him for playing injured, which is fine too. That comes with the job.
I’m sure the Rams would love to be out from under his albatross of a contract but there is very little chance that will happen.
I hope the Rams invest more in the OL but with the cap it stands to reason it will be more mid round draft picks.
A very real chance Blythe will be back as well as him play, as inconsistent as it was, was an improvement over the previous year.
There is more than one way to build a team.
Going cheap on the interior OL makes sense in a way it just leaves a limited window to find talent.
Allen didn’t work out to this point as a long term C. So, you end up with a C who is more of an ideal back up C/G in Blythe. A bit of an undersized G in Corbett and a converter T in Andrews.
Overall I like Andrews and Corbett.
The Rams OL can have excellent games but because there is a lack of raw first round talent they can be subject to be manhandled as well.
It’s not a terrible OL but it’s not great either.
Much easier to blame the QB I suppose.

 

[Mackeyser]

Does anyone remember who our last BEST quarterback was before Goff? Answer... it was Warner, and that was 20 YEARS AGO! Do you want to go back to that for another 20 years? I'm not saying that Goff is the answer... but please be patient. I'm sure Mcvay and Snead will be looking at Deshawn Watson if they can make it work, but they are not gonna just cut Goff next year. For gosh sakes wake up and smell the smoldering mess that the Rams were before Goff got here (and I'm not counting his first 7 games under Fisher). And McVay has led the Rams to the playoffs in almost every year he has been here.

Any why blame McVay at all. He knew the Rams O-line wasn't great, but there were no other O-lineman available that were better than what he had. With the cap... you have to make choices. And I fully support the choices that McVay and Snead made this year. Call me a homer, but the Rams ALMOST made the NFC Championship game when most "experts" had them as the worst team in the NFC West. Fault McVay for that? I don't think so. I would congratulate McVay , Snead, and most of all.. the players.

I dunno anyone saying to punt Goff and start over.

The only reason for speculation is the chance however remote that we get Watson. I think McVay seeing the possibilities via Wolford might be something.

But...we aren’t benching Goff and we aren’t starting a 2nd round rookie QB and we aren’t starting Wolford. It’s gonna be Goff unless we can land Watson.

Also, even if we do land Watson, we need to bolster our interior OL

 

[Ellard80]

Mcvay is a solid coach.

But I would like to hear Mcvay come out and acknowledge the fact that they have to surround Goff with better blocking up front. It’s real shitty what he’s doing with Goff in my book.

If I was Goff I would ask for a trade if I don’t get a clear commitment to upgrading the center spot. He’s dealt with free rushers unblocked all year and shouldered blame like a leader and then his head coach stabs him in the back.

Goff puts the Rams in the Super Bowl with no Kupp, a gimpy Gurley and then he plays back to back gutsy playoff games with injuries to key starters and clearly zero time to setup in a pocket and Mcvay says he’s our QB “right now”.

F you bro. Upgrade the Oline and stop with the 3rd WR in RD 2 bullshit when we don’t even have a competent starting center or backup guard. Not to mention dealing with the Noteboom guard experiment which was an utter failure.

Stats mean jack shit when you have no pass protection. Green Bay has 4 Pro Bowl lineman and the Rams have 1 past pro bowler 3 jags and 1 backup, it’s not going to cut it.

the more stuff you post the more you make me think you are talking about Marc Bulger.... for Goff's sake I hope that's not prophetic.

 

[jap]

It’s easy to read really far into what he said but to me it’s really simple: they’re exploring options at all positions, including QB. He’s non committed because he knows Snead is on the phone wheeling and dealing to see if we can bring someone else into the building. And this might end up costing us players in the process.

It’s really a common way of speaking when you’re in charge of making high level decisions like that. You don’t want to commit to something or someone then a month or two later the exact opposite comes true. People in these positions don’t need to answer to the media directly and I’m sure he doesn’t care that there’s a bunch of speculation floating around.

Ya mean he doesn't give a damn what we think!?! He MUST be the Prince of Darkness!!!

 

[Rams77]

The poster above mentioned that Green Bay was in the same position as us a few years ago where they were barely a playoff team if that. Thats WITH the best QB in NFL history IMO. Im not saying Goff is that good but Goff can be a upper tier QB when he has an OLine that gives him time. Also its time for McVay to build on his previous scheme not deviate completely away from it like it appeared he was the last 10 games. What happened to breaking the huddle really super fast and snapping the ball when the defense wasn't ready. That sense of urgency just was not there with the offense. Goff plays way better and has to think less and the Oline can get away with less than perfect play every down when they go fast. Its when they have to line up mano-e-mano that the physical limitations of this OLine, receiving core, and QB show up. The Rams are NOT a physical unit besides Akers-especially the OLine. Their strength and Goffs strength is scheme, tempo, simplicity, efficiency. He played in the Air Raid at Cal and he mastered that kind of flow/rhythm and thats where he was damn good at in ‘17 and most of ‘18. Now we’re trying to make him play a completely different style with an undersized OLine and possession receivers and blame him for our problems. Shit Belichek really got in the head of McVay. All we needed to do was upgrade the Oline all along. We were right there

 

[badnews]

Mcvay is a solid coach.

But I would like to hear Mcvay come out and acknowledge the fact that they have to surround Goff with better blocking up front. It’s real shitty what he’s doing with Goff in my book.

If I was Goff I would ask for a trade if I don’t get a clear commitment to upgrading the center spot. He’s dealt with free rushers unblocked all year and shouldered blame like a leader and then his head coach stabs him in the back.

Goff puts the Rams in the Super Bowl with no Kupp, a gimpy Gurley and then he plays back to back gutsy playoff games with injuries to key starters and clearly zero time to setup in a pocket and Mcvay says he’s our QB “right now”.

F you bro. Upgrade the Oline and stop with the 3rd WR in RD 2 bullshit when we don’t even have a competent starting center or backup guard. Not to mention dealing with the Noteboom guard experiment which was an utter failure.

Stats mean jack shit when you have no pass protection. Green Bay has 4 Pro Bowl lineman and the Rams have 1 past pro bowler 3 jags and 1 backup, it’s not going to cut it.

Fuckin A and I'm glad I'm not the only one feeling this way.
Thanks for the thread @JackAttack85 !

 

[WarnerToBruce]

I appreciate all the well thought out responses on this thread. I really didn't mean for this to turn into a what do we do to improve the O thread, or a who's fault is it thread.

Regardless of your view on Goff/McVay/Offense, I can't see anybody siding with McVay on the timing of this downplaying of Goff's contribution.

Few have been more impatient than I on Goff's performance this season, but whatever the cause (lack of prep due to new gf, etc), I question his method of dealing with it. Especially juxtaposed against his effusive praise earlier in the year when most people could clearly see the decline.

I will say that if we get the Goff from these last 2 games and focus on the other issues, I will happily come down from my soapbox, shouting to move on from him.

 

[Ellard80]

I'm not one of the biggest Goff supporters, and have been rebuked by many who think I am too tough on him. I have posted many times how thankful I am that we have coach McVay leading the way for what I hope to be the next 10 years+.

With all that in mind, I don't understand for the life of me why McVay has been so protective of Goff when he clearly wasn't producing earlier, only to downplay what a gutsy performance he had this weekend. McVay just says his play was "nice" and that he's our QB "right now".

WTF?

I hope it's just he's such a young coach and still learning, and that this is just a result of his bubbling over with complaints he's kept inside coupled with the reality of the season ending, that brought it to the surface. But the timing of it really got to me.

Goff's last two games were really bright spots for him this season, and made me think there is hope for a huge rebound when he's fully healed up. Against GB, the only play I saw all game that I thought he should have done something differently with the ball was an incomplete pass to a well-covered Everett when Akers was wide open out of the backfield with nobody but a blocker in front. He didn't even look at him. But that was it. I thought he played GREAT otherwise.

Get the dude some OL and a Diggs type WR1 and let's see what this brings us, instead of giving up more draft capital, rolling the dice and dealing with more dead money.

We don't see the game film every day. We don't know the first read if it was open, who blew what assignment or whatever.

Our knowlegde of why a play didn't work is limited.

Mcvay didn't call out goff - but they keep pressing him about it. So he can lie?

Plus its also very possible that he is trying to light a fire under Goff's ass.

 

[I like Rams]

Do we actually KNOW that Mcvay said "right now?" Bc the vid we got had the "now" cut out. And he doesnt say "hes THE qb", he says "hes A qb". So "yes hes a qb, right now".... doesnt make sense. But "Yes he's a qb, right" Is obviously a smartass answer to the question.

 

[Kevin]

Goff‘s salary contributes to the need to carefully manage the cap but it’s not THE reason we

I remember saying before last season that when a QB gets paid, their supporting cast slowly deteriorates. It leaves much less room for error when drafting, and even if you draft incredibly well, the QB has to elevate average to below average players in order for the contract to make sense.

That hasn’t affected Green Bay or New England or Pittsburgh over the years because they had first round draft picks to replenish their talent. We haven’t had a first round pick since 2016 when we took Goff. The Rams have a few very highly paid players, including Goff, but also Donald, Ramsey, Floyd Kupp and Woods. Maybe one or two more. I’m not going to do the math but I would wager that the Rams have the most cap space occupied by their top five contracts than any other team in the league. Hard to field a championship team with no first round picks and so much cap space dedicated to a few stars.

 

[Angry Ram]

2 years ago Rodgers was on the 10-6 team sitting at home watching the high flying Rams lead by Goff.

Rodgers didn’t all of a sudden remember how to play QB and Goff suddenly forget. Watch the dam game. One team rebuilt their Oline. The other team neglected it and started believing their own Genius scheme would carry them.

Well, actually. They were 6-9-1 and ended up firing MM before the year ended. Re-built OL?

2018 (bold = starter):

David Bakhtiari T
Bryan Bulaga T
Alex Light T
Corey Linsley C
Justin McCray G
Adam Pankey G
Lucas Patrick G
Nico Siragusa G
Jason Spriggs T
Lane Taylor G

Hurt/other:

Byron Bell G (IR)
Cole Madison G (Did Not Report)

2019:

David Bakhtiari T
Bryan Bulaga T
Elgton Jenkins G
John Leglue T
Alex Light T
Corey Linsley C
Lucas Patrick G
Billy Turner G
Jared Veldheer T

Hurt/other:


78 Jason Spriggs OT (IR)
65 Lane Taylor G (IR)

2020:

Ben Braden G
Elgton Jenkins G
Corey Linsley C
Yosh Nijman T
Lucas Patrick G
Jon Runyan Jr. G
Billy Turner T
Rick Wagner T

Hurt/other:


David Bakhtiari OT (IR)
Simon Stepaniak OG (IR)
Lane Taylor OG (IR)
Jared Veldheer OT (COVID-19)

And David Bakhtiari played the whole reg season. Sooo...

Really their only major change was hitting on Elgton Jenkins. The rest have already been established, FAs, or backups b/c as you can see they had a lot of injuries.

They also went 13-3 two straight years with basically the same OL. At least 3/5ths of it. And yes, you are correct they were bad in 2018, got a little better in 2019 and amazing this year. But again, it's all basically the same players.

I wonder how many of their fans were screaming about the OL in those 2 years and heading in 2020? I think with 4 straight winning seasons now Sean McVay and his staff earned the right to believe in their "genius scheme".