Fisher on Goff's progress (from the Mason & Ireland Show)

[jrry32]

All you folks calling for Goff to start now, are you going to be OK with more turnovers?

Yes.

 

[Young Ram]

If Wilson were a career backup without much history of success, they might be considering it. But Wilson has proven he's a Pro Bowl caliber franchise QB, led the Seahawks to a Super Bowl win, and led the NFL in QB Rating last year. He has a history that makes it easy to shake off his struggles this year. Keenum doesn't.

I was kidding of course. I want to see Goff play as much as anyone. It's still early in the season. Keemun did improve from week 1 to week 2. Let's see what he does at Tampa. I just don't get all the bashing he has gotten. Sure week 1 was terrible but he did make some pretty good throws against Seattle. Goff will get his chance soon enough.

 

[LosAngelesRams]

Thanks for the heads up. I'll just make YouTube videos with the audio from now on.

No worries it's just one of those sites, thanks again for the listen though.

 

[FRO]

This isn't a bash on Fisher or Goff at all, but I don't think you'll ever get much insight on a reporter asking a coach a question on one of his players. He isn't (shouldn't) public ally bury him. He should always have his players backs in public. "Coach what about player X?" "Well they suck and look like a massive bust. All is lost". So I find most current coach and player interviews to be very boring. The good stuff happens when guys are retired and can spill their guts.

 

[FRO]

Yea, I don't think you understand. None of us have any issues with the concept. We have an issue with the conclusion that Keenum gives this team the best chance to win. Our offense has scored 4.5 points per game over the first 2 games.

Exactly this. You may not be a playoff team this year with Goff at QB, but you definitely aren't one with Keenum either. Might as well lose while developing your future over lose with someone who isn't in your long term future.

Who knows Goff may very well catapult this offense to a contending level.

 

[-X-]

Exactly this. You may not be a playoff team this year with Goff at QB, but you definitely aren't one with Keenum either. Might as well lose while developing your future over lose with someone who isn't in your long term future.

Who knows Goff may very well catapult this offense to a contending level.

I don't think the reason why Keenum is the starter is 100% because he gives the Rams the best chance to win. I think a good portion of the reason is because they want Goff to be on the same level (mentally) as Keenum before he starts. Yeah we're not scoring a lot of points, but we're also not giving away a lot of points via turnovers. And maybe that's their main hangup right now. They fear giving the ball away due to mistakes as a result of Goff not being completely there yet. I'll bet he's pretty close though.

 

[blackbart]

I went to law school

OH NO another lawyer!
And you could have work in the NFL oh man!!!! You seem to have a knack for it too. Well I hope you turn it into something good. I know a few and it is a burn out profession too. Good luck

 

[blackbart]

Exactly this. You may not be a playoff team this year with Goff at QB, but you definitely aren't one with Keenum either. .

There is absolutely no way of knowing this after two games. They could win 10 or 12 games with Keenum at QB we just don't know but it is possible. Maybe not because of his outstanding performances but maybe because of what he and the rest of the team can do.

 

[blackbart]

not to get involved in this pissing contest, but if the Goff/Keenum threads really bother you that much, dont read them


Really not a hard concept

JMHO of course

Not getting in it and then throwing a jab out there. Nice try it doesn't work that way. If your going to be an ass you might as well have the balls to do it without apologizing up front.

If I could pick and choose I would choose not to and I do skim over the non-sense.However when it becomes every damn thread. That is going over the design of this board and it has been brought up several occasions already. The mod are taking it easy on the offenders and I get it to a degree but there are plenty of other sites that put up with that crap.

 

[RhodyRams]

Not getting in it and then throwing a jab out there. Nice try it doesn't work that way. If your going to be an ass you might as well have the balls to do it without apologizing up front.

If I could pick and choose I would choose not to and I do skim over the non-sense.However when it becomes every damn thread. That is going over the design of this board and it has been brought up several occasions already. The mod are taking it easy on the offenders and I get it to a degree but there are plenty of other sites that put up with that crap.

where was the jab?
How am I being an ass?

all I did is offer my opinion

 

[blackbart]

where was the jab?
How am I being an ass?

all I did is offer my opinion

"Really not a hard concept"

No worries I used it myself

 

[dieterbrock]

I don't think the reason why Keenum is the starter is 100% because he gives the Rams the best chance to win. I think a good portion of the reason is because they want Goff to be on the same level (mentally) as Keenum before he starts. Yeah we're not scoring a lot of points, but we're also not giving away a lot of points via turnovers. And maybe that's their main hangup right now. They fear giving the ball away due to mistakes as a result of Goff not being completely there yet. I'll bet he's pretty close though.

Isn't 2 INT in 2 games kind of a bad thing though? I certainly cant call Keenum mistake free at this point

 

[FRO]

I don't think the reason why Keenum is the starter is 100% because he gives the Rams the best chance to win. I think a good portion of the reason is because they want Goff to be on the same level (mentally) as Keenum before he starts. Yeah we're not scoring a lot of points, but we're also not giving away a lot of points via turnovers. And maybe that's their main hangup right now. They fear giving the ball away due to mistakes as a result of Goff not being completely there yet. I'll bet he's pretty close though.

Maybe. I feel you learn best by doing. Fisher obviously disagrees.

 

[Young Ram]

Isn't 2 INT in 2 games kind of a bad thing though? I certainly cant call Keenum mistake free at this point

You mean 2 INT in one game. I don't remember Case throwing a INT vs Seattle.

 

[FRO]

There is absolutely no way of knowing this after two games. They could win 10 or 12 games with Keenum at QB we just don't know but it is possible. Maybe not because of his outstanding performances but maybe because of what he and the rest of the team can do.

4.5 points a game. 0 TDs 2 INTs. Couple that with his lackluster production last year. If the Rams win its because their defense was dominant. It's hard to win like that in today's NFL.

 

[-X-]

Isn't 2 INT in 2 games kind of a bad thing though? I certainly cant call Keenum mistake free at this point

Yes, it's a bad thing. I was only suggesting what i thought was the reasoning behind their decision.
Specifically, pick-sixes and/or fumbles deep in their own territory.

 

[blackbart]

4.5 points a game. 0 TDs 2 INTs. Couple that with his lackluster production last year. If the Rams win its because their defense was dominant. It's hard to win like that in today's NFL.

No doubt about it but Gurley could start being Gurley and they could start scoring 24 points per and suddenly its looks so much better. Any given Sunday, you just never know.

I don't expect it to take the entire season for Goff to see the field but if the Rams are winning with Goff I wouldn't change things.

 

[-X-]

Maybe. I feel you learn best by doing. Fisher obviously disagrees.

Definitely two schools of thought on that.
Unfortunately, only one matters.

 

[FRO]

No doubt about it but Gurley could start being Gurley and they could start scoring 24 points per and suddenly its looks so much better. Any given Sunday, you just never know.

I don't expect it to take the entire season for Goff to see the field but if the Rams are winning with Goff I wouldn't change things.

It makes it hard on Gurley to produce when you have a QB who struggles to get the ball downfield consistently.

 

[blackbart]

Definitely two schools of thought on that.
Unfortunately, only one matters.

I'm betting Fisher thinks that too but he wants Goff to have a better base to stat from when he goes to work. I'm pretty sure there was no one more disappointed with Goff's progress in OTAs, camp and pre-season than Fisher.