Would You Take this From Jared Goff?

[LARams_1963]

If anyone blames Goff, Gurley, or anyone else on the Rams Offense for what happened yesterday...they need to have their frikken heads examined.

 

[Mackeyser]

IMO he didn't get any help from McVay, I feel like he got a little panicky on the play calls a couple of times and tried to get too much. Gurley was running very well and didn't get enough touches in the second half. Maybe 3-4 passes went his way and I think he only ran 4-5 times.

McVay also is trending to a LOT of runs between the tackles instead of the off tackle runs that Gurley has so much success with. I have no idea what he's seeing with that beyond the "picket fence" runs where all the OL crash to one side, he runs to that side and makes a single cut back. Sometimes that works, but if the OLB on the away side isn't blocked, it's stuffed and the Saints clearly had game planned for that style of run which is why it rarely worked.

I dunno. I don't know 1/100th the football that McVay knows and I'm being very generous to me. That said, even he's acknowledging that his play calling hasn't been optimal in every situation.

He's already done so amazing that it's hard for me to be too critical... he's already critical enough of himself as it is...

 

[Ramlock]

It's really hard to discuss that type of stuff without folks spinning off into madness though, so gonna leave it there tbh.

I see lots of discussion and no madness.

Shots at others aren’t needed if they disagree with you.

 

[Ellard80]

I see lots of discussion and no madness.

Shots at others aren’t needed if they disagree with you.

What he means is that any even slight criticism of Goff turns into= Goff is the reason we lost - which no one is saying.
It's even spread to other threads. People not only say things out of context, they say things that were never actually said. It happens on message boards for sure, but people are very protective of Goff. I think back to the bulger/warner madness as an example of what Merlin is talking about.

It really is remarkable to watch it as it unfolds.

 

[SoCalRam78]

He missed a throw late in the 4th and he checked down too soon on a 3rd and long when the rams needed a first because their defense wasn’t going to hold and everyone knew it.

He also made about 7-8 beautiful throws to put the Rams in position for those plays to matter at all.

He’s been great this year. Much better QB than last year. And still getting better.

 

[KayJay]

What he means is that any even slight criticism of Goff turns into= Goff is the reason we lost - which no one is saying.
It's even spread to other threads. People not only say things out of context, they say things that were never actually said. It happens on message boards for sure, but people are very protective of Goff. I think back to the bulger/warner madness as an example of what Merlin is talking about.

It really is remarkable to watch it as it unfolds.

My point is, Goff misses a couple throws, he's an eye sore. Drew Brees misses throws, we ignore them.

"Goff isn't clutch like Rodgers."

Did you know Aaron Rodgers is 0-35 against winning teams who have a lead of more than 1 point going into the fourth quarter? But he's captain clutch right? Why is it that Goff has to be immortal every single game, but guys like Cam Newton, Matthew Stafford and Matt Ryan can have multiple interceptions in one game and they are just having a bad day?

People aren't being over protective of Goff; they are tired of the constant grabbing of low hanging fruit regarding his career after every errant throw. I've never once called Goff Elite, but guess what? Lol that's a very short list with the quarterback we played against yesterday being on it. Goff is a top 10 quarterback. The numbers show it, the win column shows it; and just like any other quarterback he has flaws. (Aaron Rodgers flaw is undying loyalty to the Packers lol)

If Goff isn't excused from criticism (Which he shouldn't be), neither should the quarterbacks some often compare him to. What's good for the Goose, is good for the Gander. Drew Brees punted on like three straight drives and Goff & Gurley made him pay.

I get it, we want an Elite quarterback. So does everyone else in the league. Let our guy continue to improve. There's a difference between constructive criticism; and giving a guy backhanded compliments every time he doesn't produce the results you wanted.

 

[Ellard80]

My point is, Goff misses a couple throws, he's an eye sore. Drew Brees misses throws, we ignore them.

"Goff isn't clutch like Rodgers."

Did you know Aaron Rodgers is 0-35 against winning teams who have a lead of more than 1 point going into the fourth quarter? But he's captain clutch right? Why is it that Goff has to be immortal every single game, but guys like Cam Newton, Matthew Stafford and Matt Ryan can have multiple interceptions in one game and they are just having a bad day?

People aren't being over protective of Goff; they are tired of the constant grabbing of low hanging fruit regarding his career after every errant throw. I've never once called Goff Elite, but guess what? Lol that's a very short list with the quarterback we played against yesterday being on it. Goff is a top 10 quarterback. The numbers show it, the win column shows it; and just like any other quarterback he has flaws. (Aaron Rodgers flaw is undying loyalty to the Packers lol)

If Goff isn't excused from criticism (Which he shouldn't be), neither should the quarterbacks some often compare him to. What's good for the Goose, is good for the Gander. Drew Brees punted on like three straight drives and Goff & Gurley made him pay.

I get it, we want an Elite quarterback. So does everyone else in the league. Let our guy continue to improve. There's a difference between constructive criticism; and giving a guy backhanded compliments every time he doesn't produce the results you wanted.

constant grabbing of low hanging fruit? Hardly anything is ever said in criticism about Goff. The fervor of your post just proves exactly what I'm saying. Goff gets very very very little criticism of any kind - which he shouldn't because he has played well. But man lol...

Did someone say he isn't clutch like Rodgers?
Did someone say he isn't a top ten quarterback?
Did anyone compare him to Drew Brees or any of these quarterbacks?

That is a pretty sensitive response to show me that people aren't sensitive about him.

But wtf am i doing back in this thread.. totally my fault.

 

[KayJay]

constant grabbing of low hanging fruit? Hardly anything is ever said in criticism about Goff. The fervor of your post just proves exactly what I'm saying. Goff gets very very very little criticism of any kind - which he shouldn't because he has played well. But man lol...

Did someone say he isn't clutch like Rodgers?
Did someone say he isn't a top ten quarterback?
Did anyone compare him to Drew Brees or any of these quarterbacks?

That is a pretty sensitive response to show me that people aren't sensitive about him.

But wtf am i doing back in this thread.. totally my fault.

Yes to all of the above, they have. You can save me the act of victimhood. I use facts and numbers to refute your argument in a discussion. There is no need for emotional responses, when offering a rebuttal to the nonsense I've read lately. Which is why I explained to you calmly what people are refuting and why.

I offered you numbers and events that occurred; you offered me an insult. Have a nice day. : )

 

[Merlin]

What he means is that any even slight criticism of Goff turns into= Goff is the reason we lost - which no one is saying.
It's even spread to other threads. People not only say things out of context, they say things that were never actually said. It happens on message boards for sure, but people are very protective of Goff. I think back to the bulger/warner madness as an example of what Merlin is talking about.

It really is remarkable to watch it as it unfolds.

Precisely. Never said that, I've even mentioned multiple times I think he's on the cusp of accruing the big wins with clutch play on those critical series. But it's all good man, disagreement with others doesn't bother me, ain't the first nor the last time this type of thing will happen lol.

@jrry32 the Seattle game was a nice win, and in hindsight might qualify as that type of win. But Seattle's a 4-4 team. This New Orleans game had the stage set for Jared to shock the media world and it all came down to that series at the end where the Rams fell short. He'll get there man, it's all good.

 

[Ramlock]

What he means is that any even slight criticism of Goff turns into= Goff is the reason we lost - which no one is saying.
It's even spread to other threads. People not only say things out of context, they say things that were never actually said. It happens on message boards for sure, but people are very protective of Goff. I think back to the bulger/warner madness as an example of what Merlin is talking about.

It really is remarkable to watch it as it unfolds.

Ya know this really doesn't respond to what I explained that I disagree with.

There are disagreements in this thread, but no madness. No lost tempers, no Chill ratings and so on.

Now, I pointed out 4th quarter comebacks by Goff that no one responded to; @Merlin did respond to @jrry32 and his post served to diminish the comeback in Seattle as a "4-4" team that the Rams beat.

One that has the acknowledged loudest stadium or top 2 anyway and houses the recent perennial NFC West leaders.

Where we do agree is that #16 is continuing to get better, I just give him a little bit more credit for what he's actually accomplished.
To me, Goff has unquestionably raised his game.

No madness, no insults, just discussion.

 

[Merlin]

Where we do agree is that #16 is continuing to get better, I just give him a little bit more credit for what he's actually accomplished.
To me, Goff has unquestionably raised his game.

No madness, no insults, just discussion.

Of course he's improved his game. I even pointed out how close he is, multiple times, to being at that elite level.

Here's a question... Do you think he's on par right now with Brady & the unquestionably elite few QBs in this league? And if not why not?

My answer: he's not there yet and simply needs to log those signature wins and accrue them. So in a way I think we're all closer in opinion than the back and forths suggest.

 

[Dieter the Brock]

Jared Goff #2 best QB in the league, if not #1

Look at that list and tell me anyone on it other than Goff that you’d build your franchise around right now. The answer is Goff, maybe Mahomes, and then who? Aging and expensive Tom Brady, aging and expensive Big Ben.... Kirk? Matt Ryan....maybe.... Aaron Rodgers at 34? An ancient Drew Brees? Jameis???

I’d take a 24 year old Goff with two excellent seasons under his belt thus far and a great HC in McVay

Jared Goff is the man

 

[Merlin]

Jared Goff #2 best QB in the league, if not #1

Look at that list and tell me anyone on it other than Goff that you’d build your franchise around right now. The answer is Goff, maybe Mahomes, and then who? Aging and expensive Tom Brady, aging and expensive Big Ben.... Kirk? Matt Ryan....maybe.... Aaron Rodgers at 34? An ancient Drew Brees? Jameis???

I’d take a 24 year old Goff with two excellent seasons under his belt thus far and a great HC in McVay

Jared Goff is the man

I'm pretty sure everyone here would take Goff. I certainly would.

 

[Ramlock]

Of course he's improved his game. I even pointed out how close he is, multiple times, to being at that elite level.

Here's a question... Do you think he's on par right now with Brady & the unquestionably elite few QBs in this league? And if so why not?

My answer: he's not there yet and simply needs to log those signature wins and accrue them. So in a way I think we're all closer in opinion than the back and forths suggest.

Yes, Jared Goff is playing at a higher level than Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers, Roethlisberger, so more than on par.

Drew Brees is worthy of an argument but his YPA hurts him, although Marcus Peters helped bump that up, LOL.

Mahomes hasn't done it long enough and I don't like that offense as a personal preference.

By contrast, Goff operates a much more complex offense. Goff is a master of the play fake.

He appears to have more command, he is mobile for his build, has outstanding feet and fits the ball into windows that Brady and Brees cannot at this point in their careers. Goff's anticipation is off the charts.

Two fourth quarter comebacks this season. 2 for 3, or 67%.

Yes, on par.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Maybe it's tough to do with a zone blocking scheme, but McVay needs the occasional creative plays for Gurley or maybe bring in another back and lead block in short yardage or misdirect one or the other. Where is the TE release play or the tackle eligible plays. How about the QB or RB end around disguising it as up the gut. This goes for the red zone too. It seems like it's Gurley up the middle or a pass to a WR. Is McVay too system reliant?

 

[dieterbrock]

I'm pretty sure everyone here would take Goff. I certainly would.

Then he is at that elite level.

 

[bluecoconuts]

Every QB misses throws or receivers, Drew Brees missed a wide open Thomas for a TD and instead threw to a covered receiver and missed on throw when he accidently overthrew it.

Goff is playing like a top 5 QB, because chances are he is one.

He's elite.

Just because he doesn't have enough time under his belt to do all the Drew Brees or Rodgers, or Brady, or Manning stuff they did doesn't mean he's not there talent wise.

I don't think I would take a single QB over Goff. That includes Brees Brady and the bunch. If I can get similar (or better comparing them this year in some cases) results from a much cheaper and much younger QB then I'm going with him.

 

[Merlin]

Just because he doesn't have enough time under his belt to do all the Drew Brees or Rodgers, or Brady, or Manning stuff they did doesn't mean he's not there talent wise.

Nobody has said word one about his talent bc. He is the best young QB in this league. He just needs time and those signature wins, yes. This year's playoffs will tell us a lot re: how far along he is in terms of being that guy and I can't wait to see it, because I do expect him to ball the F out.

 

[Tano]

Precisely. Never said that, I've even mentioned multiple times I think he's on the cusp of accruing the big wins with clutch play on those critical series. But it's all good man, disagreement with others doesn't bother me, ain't the first nor the last time this type of thing will happen lol.

@jrry32 the Seattle game was a nice win, and in hindsight might qualify as that type of win. But Seattle's a 4-4 team. This New Orleans game had the stage set for Jared to shock the media world and it all came down to that series at the end where the Rams fell short. He'll get there man, it's all good.

Thing is - if the penalty for holding on Cooks gets rightly called, does Goff bring us back after all.

We will never know.

 

[bwdenverram]

Aren't there enough posts here pissing and moaning about how bad the defense played? Just once it'd be nice to celebrate some successes without being hounded by the negative Nancy crowd. We already have turned the GDT into a toxic environment that most members refuse to partake in. Now we can probably count 10 threads on the 1st page that are all full of negativity.

Here's a thought for you, just because some of us want to celebrate what the QB who less than 2 years ago was written off as a bust by some Rams fans, opposing fans and media doesn't mean we're burying our heads in the sand to what's going on with the other side of the ball. We know, we just want to celebrate that our 24 year old QB in successive weeks went toe to toe with hall of fame QB's on good teams. And he came out looking pretty damned good. So sorry if I'm not negative enough for you, there are however plenty of threads on this board that might fit the mood better for you.

This makes no sense. I was agreeing with you that it's not on Jared...Lord man,