Would You Take this From Jared Goff?

[Ramlock]

IMO the call was fine, that was a moment in which I was pretty damn sure Jared was going to get his first "signature" win. Didn't happen, kid wasn't ready, it's all good man that stuff is coming real soon IMO.

I disagree with the part I quoted.

There is a difference between not getting it done and "kid wasn't ready".

He's already led two 4th quarter comebacks this year. With the way that he came back yesterday, he was more than ready, IMO.

 

[Jacobarch]

Saints and Panthers play twice still. That is two losses in our favor one way or another. Highly unlikely both teams will catch/surpass us.

Nice! Hopefully they Tie twice. lol

 

[Ram65]

Yes - but it's also more than just stats. Late in the 4th quarter needing a score to win - need his balls to drop in those situations. That's what separates the dudes with nice stats from champions.

Not that I think Goff is at all like this guy - but heard a dude with the best nickname for Matt Stafford.

Called him Stat Patford.

Last two possessions were not good. He played well overall, but I'm talking about those late 4th quarter situations where the pressure is multiplied - do or die time.

Yes it was a nice comeback - but those closing moments of the 4th quarter it really is do or die, which is another level of pressure.

I'm not even going to argue anymore because I knew as soon as I made even a slight criticism of Goff it would go like this.

But anyways yeah pointless.

I agree with all of the above. Jared had a chance to win the game there, or at least put enormous pressure on the Stains with time ticking down, and went 3 'n out. And the previous week it was similar, with him and the offense stalling at the most crucial stage of the game and allowing change of possession, but were saved by the special teams turnover.

Goff isn't ready yet to wear that mantle of elite QB in crunch time. But he's very young and very close to being ready, and those games are coming here pretty soon where he will pull it out and be that guy you don't want to have the ball when the chips are down. If that happens during this year's playoffs we're going to be in business. If not, well, we're going to look back after many years of him being an elite QB and understand that these were part of his learning curve.

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I was wondering the same thing over the past two weeks. As Merlin stated he didn't mount a drive late against the Packers as the Rams were given great field position.

The Rams expended a great amount of energy getting/staying in both games. You have to wonder if the nerves got to Goff on the Woods throw. It looked to be an easy pass he completes all the time. The pass to Kupp was a mystery. Not going to get a first down there. Despite what Aikman stated I'm not sure he had the open WR a little deeper. At least he didn't throw a INT. After the first missed pass do you keep throwing and not run Gurley. IDK but, completing the pass to Woods would have jump started the drive. Jared is still young and learning overall he kept his cool and got a FG before half time and lead a great comeback in the second half.

• 1st & 10 at LAR 25
  (6:23 - 4th) J.Goff pass incomplete short right to R.Woods.
  
  
• 2nd & 10 at LAR 25
  (6:17 - 4th) T.Gurley right end to LA 26 for 1 yard (C.Jordan; D.Onyemata).
  
  
• 3rd & 9 at LAR 26
  (5:44 - 4th) (Shotgun) J.Goff pass short left to C.Kupp to LA 28 for 2 yards (P.Williams).

 

[kurtfaulk]

will he be Tom Brady “clutch” (whatever that means

haha, i remember a game the cheats had against the saints a few years ago. the saints gained the lead in the 4th. brady went something like turnover on downs and int in 2 drives. however the saints went 3 and out in the both drives following each. so on his 3rd chance brady drives them down the field and throws the game winner to some wr. he was in the process of being smashed before he threw the ball but the de was tackled to the ground before he could get to brady. that gave him the extra 2 seconds he needed to make the throw.

after the game the media went gaga over how "clutch" brady was at the end there.

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[LesBaker]

Sure there is Les. And we always do question play calling as fans. But players are a big part of that equation and they didn't execute what was called plain and simple. If McVay had called a run and it was stuffed there'd be posters going on about how he should have thrown it. IMO the call was fine, that was a moment in which I was pretty damn sure Jared was going to get his first "signature" win. Didn't happen, kid wasn't ready, it's all good man that stuff is coming real soon IMO.

I still say he should have used Gurley on a quick count, run for the first down and now the defense has to play more honestly.

McVay is a smart man, he'll make changes in his thought process based on experiences as he has them over time. Situational football holds true for coaches as well as players.

 

[LA_vision]

I'll say, alot of QBs would have folded after that INT which let to a score. Goff instead tied this game up. He's a gamer.

 

[Rambitious1]

This is what makes puke Brady one of the GOATS

Not to me.
How many of his wins were “ill gotten booty” so to speak?

It matters how you get there.
You can be the best of all time by being talented and working like hell, or you can get that moniker by winning many games/championships by cheating. I choose the former and that’s why ‘Shadey Brady’ will never get my vote for ‘goat’.

 

[bwdenverram]

Back to back weeksour 24 year old QB went toe to toe with first ballot Hall of Fame QBs and didn’t flinch. It’s too bad people are focusing on the D’s problems and not re ognizing the positives.

Edit he’s proven to be a tractor to borrow the metaphor.

Yeah I'd have to say we put up 35 and if we're talking about what the QB didn't do we have a real problem. How about we don't give up 35 points in a HALF?

 

[OldSchool]

Yeah I'd have to say we put up 35 and if we're talking about what the QB didn't do we have a real problem. How about we don't give up 35 points in a HALF?

Aren't there enough posts here pissing and moaning about how bad the defense played? Just once it'd be nice to celebrate some successes without being hounded by the negative Nancy crowd. We already have turned the GDT into a toxic environment that most members refuse to partake in. Now we can probably count 10 threads on the 1st page that are all full of negativity.

Here's a thought for you, just because some of us want to celebrate what the QB who less than 2 years ago was written off as a bust by some Rams fans, opposing fans and media doesn't mean we're burying our heads in the sand to what's going on with the other side of the ball. We know, we just want to celebrate that our 24 year old QB in successive weeks went toe to toe with hall of fame QB's on good teams. And he came out looking pretty damned good. So sorry if I'm not negative enough for you, there are however plenty of threads on this board that might fit the mood better for you.

 

[Merlin]

Yeah I'd have to say we put up 35 and if we're talking about what the QB didn't do we have a real problem. How about we don't give up 35 points in a HALF?

I think that's an oversimplification bwd. What matters is that series in question that through chance becomes the critical moment in which the game's result is decided. You can QB a team back, through a great effort, but if you don't win it's still not a signature type win that the greatest have.

You can go back and nuke Montana's greatest moments and realize it wasn't all him. Or any other great QB. But what they do have, right or wrong, are those signature wins in huge moments. Jared Goff ain't there yet, and it's not such a bad thing to say when we all know it's coming really soon. Hopefully in this year's playoffs in fact.

 

[kurtfaulk]

I think that's an oversimplification bwd. What matters is that series in question that through chance becomes the critical moment in which the game's result is decided. You can QB a team back, through a great effort, but if you don't win it's still not a signature type win that the greatest have.

You can go back and nuke Montana's greatest moments and realize it wasn't all him. Or any other great QB. But what they do have, right or wrong, are those signature wins in huge moments. Jared Goff ain't there yet, and it's not such a bad thing to say when we all know it's coming really soon. Hopefully in this year's playoffs in fact.

they spent the past four drives making up a 21 point deficit. if you're expecting points out of every drive in someone else's house you're gonna be disappointed. the offense and defense played their butts off to rally from so far back. they just couldn't sustain it the whole half.

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[Legatron4]

The difference between Goff and Brady is TBs defense would have stopped the Saints and given him a chance. Goff came all the way back and even though he didn’t capitalize later on, he still put us in a positions to win. That’s what great QBs do.

 

[dieterbrock]

I think that's an oversimplification bwd. What matters is that series in question that through chance becomes the critical moment in which the game's result is decided. You can QB a team back, through a great effort, but if you don't win it's still not a signature type win that the greatest have.

You can go back and nuke Montana's greatest moments and realize it wasn't all him. Or any other great QB. But what they do have, right or wrong, are those signature wins in huge moments. Jared Goff ain't there yet, and it's not such a bad thing to say when we all know it's coming really soon. Hopefully in this year's playoffs in fact.

Hogwash.
Goff had a that signature game last year when he hit Gurley with the go ahead score against Dallas in Dallas. And then he hits Kupp for the game winner late against Tennessee.
For some reason Goff doesn’t get the credit, he’s got the signature wins

 

[jrry32]

I'd be thrilled with those numbers, especially if they come with 13 or 14 wins. Goff was magnificent against NO. If we get that guy every week, we're in a great spot.

 

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I question the series of plays called at the end rather than the execution of them.

Before the half when he threw that interception....that's actually the Goff I want to see. He threw that ball with confidence, with power and pace, and would have shredded the double coverage with determination and accuracy.

Only problem was the guy that caught it. He wasn't even part of the double coverage of the intended reciever. It was a great play by a guy Goff wasn't accounting for because he shouldn't have to. He should have cleared out.

But anyway....the Goff that threw that ball is the Goff we want to see. Just dumb luck that time.

 

[kurtfaulk]

The difference between Goff and Brady is TBs defense would have stopped the Saints and given him a chance. Goff came all the way back and even though he didn’t capitalize later on, he still put us in a positions to win. That’s what great QBs do.

their defense gets no love from the media. in all of their wins the defense was the mvp, getting stops and turnovers when they needed them most. they were probably cheating/holding somehow all of the time and not getting called on it but still.

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[MachS]

Goff was fantastic last night. We needed him to show up big and he did, went toe to toe with one of the best QBs to ever walk this earth and brought us back from the dead. The drive to end the 1st half and get a FG, followed by the TD to start the 3rd was a big time momentum shift.

To @Merlin's point, for him to take that next step his best is needed on those last two drives. You can't go 3 and out like we did late against elite teams, you just can't. He has to find a way to get it done there. Does that mean he played bad? Hell no, he played one of the best games of his life, and made big time throws all day. He's still growing and I think him and McVay will both be better late.

Regardless, we have one of the best young QBs in the league who will only continue to improve.

 

[Merlin]

To @Merlin's point, for him to take that next step his best is needed on those last two drives. You can't go 3 and out like we did late against elite teams, you just can't. He has to find a way to get it done there. Does that mean he played bad? Hell no, he played one of the best games of his life, and made big time throws all day. He's still growing and I think him and McVay will both be better late.

Pretty much. Never said he didn't play well. I just want to see him start racking up those signature wins, the clutch late-game drives to win the big ones.

It's really hard to discuss that type of stuff without folks spinning off into madness though, so gonna leave it there tbh.

 

[jrry32]

Pretty much. Never said he didn't play well. I just want to see him start racking up those signature wins, the clutch late-game drives to win the big ones.

It's really hard to discuss that type of stuff without folks spinning off into madness though, so gonna leave it there tbh.

Isn't that exactly what he did at Seattle? We were down 31-24 entering the 4th in arguably the toughest road environment. Goff led a TD drive that should have tied it at 31, but Santos missed the PAT. The next drive, Goff led us to a FG to take the 33-31 lead. And then when we got the ball back, Goff converted the 4th and 1 to seal the game.

 

[TexasRam]

I question the series of plays called at the end rather than the execution of them.

Before the half when he threw that interception....that's actually the Goff I want to see. He threw that ball with confidence, with power and pace, and would have shredded the double coverage with determination and accuracy.

Only problem was the guy that caught it. He wasn't even part of the double coverage of the intended reciever. It was a great play by a guy Goff wasn't accounting for because he shouldn't have to. He should have cleared out.

But anyway....the Goff that threw that ball is the Goff we want to see. Just dumb luck that time.

There was only a minute left at the end of the first half so that interception was obviously a result of forcing the ball down the field.

I loved the forcing it at that stage. Small chance that LB makes that play. And the Rams really needed to be aggressive to stay in the game.

How many times have we screamed at a Rams team for not throwing the ball down the field because the coach was being too dam conservative or the QB was looking out for his stats.

You play to win the game, and Goff and Gurley alike understand Wins over stats.

On a related note, Goff throws into the teeth of the defense all the time. No Fear. It's awesome to see. A huge amount of QB's don't have the confidence to make the throws Goff does. And its a weekly occurrence and why he is so good. If he wasn't so dam accurate he would throw interceptions at a Brett Favre pace.