Will Cooper Kupp's "Knees" be dependable?

[kurtfaulk]

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wow.

an injury after fucktard darius stewart tried to break his leg off at the knee and another when a player's knee (or foot?) struck his knee from the side so suddenly he's injury prone?

fuck off.

people man.

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[Florida_Ram]

Gotcha.
So this is like a Madden type thread?

You don't got me @dieterbrock

I get your response though.

And no I don't play Madden. I don't play fantasy football either.

Kupp needs to stay healthy this coming season when the playoffs begin.

If not, he's on the hot seat for me.

Just my opinion brother.

 

[Florida_Ram]

Because we can't afford it due to other holes on the roster. All the dead money we are carrying makes up prioritizing a WR that doesn't cost much if we go that route.

I'm merely saying in my thoughts and beliefs the Rams need another proven veteran WR. I didn't say they needed to break the bank on one. If they need to make salary cap space they will find away like they always do.

I believe they will sign a veteran free agent.

If I'm wrong and they go with Woods, Kupp, Van Jefferson and all the cast offs from last season along with a rookie WR....... You can bump this post and I will happily eat some crow.

They better get past the divisional round next postseason.

 

[Merlin]

Kupp has been unreliable in the postseason after 2017.

Yes he has. We're also paying two wideouts for the same thing which is another and potentially bigger problem this particular offseason. McVay comes out and mentions explosiveness and I'm like yeah ok Coach but did you think paying Woody would improve that? Don't get me wrong I am glad Woody got his paycheck nobody deserves it more. But the larger problem is that the Rams realized they are paying two possession options.

But going forward should we cut bait when maybe we could extend him out so his cap hit is lower and then we might have him in the zone for the playoffs. Thing about Kupp... When he gets in that zone he's unstoppable. Sure would be nice to have that going into the playoffs with Akers smoking long runs out the backfield and Stafford slinging it all over the joint. Guy like him can get you a win even in the playoffs. So can Akers. So can AD. So can Ramsey. More of those types you have the better.

Lastly if they move him nobody will be surprised. We've been talking about that for how long now. Months at the least. For me... I try like hell to extend him out for a lower hit that favors the team and if he says no then I trade him.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

I'm merely saying in my thoughts and beliefs the Rams need another proven veteran WR. I didn't say they needed to break the bank on one. If they need to make salary cap space they will find away like they always do.

I believe they will sign a veteran free agent.

If I'm wrong and they go with Woods, Kupp, Van Jefferson and all the cast offs from last season along with a rookie WR....... You can bump this post and I will happily eat some crow.

They better get past the divisional round next postseason.

They will as long as we don't get bit by the injury bug. That damn bug is known to ruin things from time to time for some teams.

 

[MachS]

Yes he has. We're also paying two wideouts for the same thing which is another and potentially bigger problem this particular offseason. McVay comes out and mentions explosiveness and I'm like yeah ok Coach but did you think paying Woody would improve that? Don't get me wrong I am glad Woody got his paycheck nobody deserves it more. But the larger problem is that the Rams realized they are paying two possession options.

But going forward should we cut bait when maybe we could extend him out so his cap hit is lower and then we might have him in the zone for the playoffs. Thing about Kupp... When he gets in that zone he's unstoppable. Sure would be nice to have that going into the playoffs with Akers smoking long runs out the backfield and Stafford slinging it all over the joint. Guy like him can get you a win even in the playoffs. So can Akers. So can AD. So can Ramsey. More of those types you have the better.

Lastly if they move him nobody will be surprised. We've been talking about that for how long now. Months at the least. For me... I try like hell to extend him out for a lower hit that favors the team and if he says no then I trade him.

Great points here. Yea paying $32M for two WRs that aren't true #1s is tough. I agree that Kupp at his best can more easily dominate a game, but I seriously have questions about the milage on his body and his ability to withstand a full season now. He's been fading late in the year and getting nicked up more. If we were going to trade one I think we would get more back for him. However the more I think about it, its probably easier to sign/draft an outside WR to replace Woods then find another great slot like Kupp. Maybe we move Woods and roll with Kupp inside, VJ at the X, and sign a FA to play Z. I like Marvin Jones, but going from Woods to him seems like a lateral move and not worth it unless we can save BIG money. Like$8-10M in savings. If we move Woods I'd rather try and go after a more natural #1 bigger FA or trade target.

 

[OnceARam]

without taking sides, i have to admit, injury is always in the back of my mind with every kupp reception, and always a relief when he pops back up after tackled...

go rams

slo

Same here... He's a horse collar waiting to happen with that upright run style. At least he doesn't engage in forward-sliding.

He's got to do a better job of knowing where defensive personnel are for sure.

 

[dieterbrock]

You don't got me @dieterbrock

I get your response though.

And no I don't play Madden. I don't play fantasy football either.

Kupp needs to stay healthy this coming season when the playoffs begin.

If not, he's on the hot seat for me.

Just my opinion brother.

Just trying to understand the point here. A proven vet WR wont come cheap, and cap space is not something the Rams have. Currently there is 42 mill tied up in QB money (Stafford 20 mill, Goff 22 mill dead), 28 mill in WR between Woods and Kupp, and another 8 mill of dead money for Gurley. That's nearly 80 mill of the projected 185 mill, for only 3 active players. With all the other deficiencies (Oline and LB IMO) I cant see how they cant spend any significant $$ on an area that seems to be well stocked.

 

[Ellard80]

as ive already mentioned a few times... ill reiterate..

Kupp isn't any more oft injured than most recievers.... there are a handful that are injury free - but the vast majority all miss games.

 

[So Ram]

Same here... He's a horse collar waiting to happen with that upright run style. At least he doesn't engage in forward-sliding.

He's got to do a better job of knowing where defensive personnel are for sure.

I’ll disagree & now that there are rumors of Robert Woods being traded
I can see Copper Kupp being more of a WR sub possession WR.Less Reps & just a Down & Dirty guy.He plays when you need him & a player Sean Mcvay (Stafford)can count on.Move the chains type.Call The Triple AAA guy.

 

[OnceARam]

I’ll disagree & now that there are rumors of Robert Woods being traded
I can see Copper Kupp being more of a WR sub possession WR.Less Reps & just a Down & Dirty guy.He plays when you need him & a player Sean Mcvay (Stafford)can count on.Move the chains type.Call The Triple AAA guy.

You disagree that Kupp doesn't engage in forward sliding? Are you a forward slider advocate? Do you believe that forward sliding marks the advancement of football as we know it? Are you, in fact, John Wolford?

 

[AvengerRam]

I remember hanging out on the beach with my buddies from High School during a Spring Break in college. We were in our glory, young and confident, with lovely college girls everywhere. Then, without warning, a seagull took a massive shit from the air, carpet bombing my friend, Steve, on his shoulder and back.

Guess he was bird shit prone.

 

[So Ram]

You disagree that Kupp doesn't engage in forward sliding? Are you a forward slider advocate? Do you believe that forward sliding marks the advancement of football as we know it? Are you, in fact, John Wolford?

So are you the guy that goes out for sushi & orders the collar? Got to like the horse collar even more. What about Bull collar?
Copper Kupp is a Stud. So yes a horse collar seems about right,but with his forward stance he gets by the head & shoulders of a defender & give The QB a little extra throwing range.
Injuries to Copper Kupp. He has been injured & has comeback from injury.I don’t agree he is suspect to anymore injury than any other WR in The NFL other than his knee.He plays hard & wouldn’t change his style of play at all.
My point is less wear & tear on his knee is all in a nutshell.Trade Robert Woods then plug Jefferson in as a starter the next 3 seasons.Sign Marvin Jones for 3 years.Keep adding value & developing WR’s.
Copper Kupp plays hard & has an excellent work ethic(woods as well) & makes a good veteran mentor which Sean Mcvay likes.
—I like change & development & Cooper Kupp doesn’t need to take extra Reps & put up big numbers.It’s about Winning

 

[LA_Rams_#29]

We always have to make sure we're 4 deep at WR in terms of guys who you have confidence in making plays. We would need that anyway, but Cooper's injury history..and the amount of targets he gets makes that even more necessary. Actually we need 5 effective WRs ...

 

[So Ram]

I remember hanging out on the beach with my buddies from High School during a Spring Break in college. We were in our glory, young and confident, with lovely college girls everywhere. Then, without warning, a seagull took a massive shit from the air, carpet bombing my friend, Steve, on his shoulder and back.

Guess he was bird shit prone.

Well shit happens I guess.I was dating this 10 Model & she took a Big Dump & couldn’t take her crap any longer. I had to Dump her.

 

[So Ram]

We always have to make sure we're 4 deep at WR in terms of guys who you have confidence in making plays. We would need that anyway, but Cooper's injury history..and the amount of targets he gets makes that even more necessary. Actually we need 5 effective WRs ...

Webster imo can be effective.
Koski- what do you know about him ?
This guy looks like a solid possession WR.He stuck in 2020.Anyone’s vision of you look at it straight?

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Cooper Kupp has 2nd-highest grade of any WR on third down since 2019

Cooper Kupp has been a stud since coming into the NFL as a third-round pick in 2017. He’s totaled 3,570 yards and 24 touchdowns in four seasons, averaging 892.5 yards and six touchdowns per year despite missing 10 games. Kupp has made a name for…

theramswire.usatoday.com

Just thought I'd post this for those even thinking about trading Kupp. Another reason why I would never entertain trading him.

 

[So Ram]

Have to LMAO with Copper Kupp & people talk about his injuries ?

As a Ram Fan I always try to stay positive,but certain things piss me off.I’m also a smart Azz at times.

Last season WTF was Copper Kupp start as The Rams PR guy ? Thought that was The most Stupid thing in 2020 season. Here is your starting WR & The Rams had no deep threat at WR.

 

[Mackeyser]

Yes he has. We're also paying two wideouts for the same thing which is another and potentially bigger problem this particular offseason. McVay comes out and mentions explosiveness and I'm like yeah ok Coach but did you think paying Woody would improve that? Don't get me wrong I am glad Woody got his paycheck nobody deserves it more. But the larger problem is that the Rams realized they are paying two possession options.

But going forward should we cut bait when maybe we could extend him out so his cap hit is lower and then we might have him in the zone for the playoffs. Thing about Kupp... When he gets in that zone he's unstoppable. Sure would be nice to have that going into the playoffs with Akers smoking long runs out the backfield and Stafford slinging it all over the joint. Guy like him can get you a win even in the playoffs. So can Akers. So can AD. So can Ramsey. More of those types you have the better.

Lastly if they move him nobody will be surprised. We've been talking about that for how long now. Months at the least. For me... I try like hell to extend him out for a lower hit that favors the team and if he says no then I trade him.

I disagree with your characterization of both Woods and Kupp.

While both of them are tremendous possession receivers, they both also have deep speed, especially Woods who's slightly faster than Kupp. Kupp, otoh, is slightly shiftier.

The issue was the reduction of the offense. Now, whether that was Goff's issues or McVay's hyperfocus on efficiency or any number of factors, I don't know and won't speculate here. But that change in offensive philosophy from "make them defend every blade of grass" to "we just need to execute and be efficient" radically changed the roles of our wideouts.

Basically, we could have had Tyreek Hill and the number of explosive plays wouldn't have increased all that much because it's not like McVay can't and hasn't schemed every WR as well as both our starting TEs deep.

With Stafford in the building, we're good with Woods, Kupp and Jefferson.

I would be upset if we walked away from any of them at this point.

 

[payote75]

I disagree with your characterization of both Woods and Kupp.

While both of them are tremendous possession receivers, they both also have deep speed, especially Woods who's slightly faster than Kupp. Kupp, otoh, is slightly shiftier.

The issue was the reduction of the offense. Now, whether that was Goff's issues or McVay's hyperfocus on efficiency or any number of factors, I don't know and won't speculate here. But that change in offensive philosophy from "make them defend every blade of grass" to "we just need to execute and be efficient" radically changed the roles of our wideouts.

Basically, we could have had Tyreek Hill and the number of explosive plays wouldn't have increased all that much because it's not like McVay can't and hasn't schemed every WR as well as both our starting TEs deep.

With Stafford in the building, we're good with Woods, Kupp and Jefferson.

I would be upset if we walked away from any of them at this point.

I have said basically since the Stafford trade I had a bad feeling one of them would get moved. I hope not but we will see. I could see woods or coop for or on a Orlando Brown trade. I've said that all along. And NFL network keeps repeating that while Baltimore wants to keep him they also know it wouldn't be anything near a tunsil trade possibly a 2nd or 3rd. If that's the case then either or receiver is an overpayment. However Havenstein and a pick I'd do on a heartbeat.