Why did Tavon hardly play yesterday.

[Corbin]

Nah, you went looking for a fight with a chip on your shoulder in a thread where there weren't any negative comments yet for a player who keeps getting his roles taken away from him, which isn't how I really wanted to deal with it, because I'm a fan of the team and I would much rather eat crow than see him fail.

To be honest, I would have preferred this thread to remain about strategy.

I think McVay pulled those plays because the defense was too fast side to side, so he tried a different approach. In a way, our coach/QB or both got a little big headed on us and stopped taking the short plays given.

No I’ve been tired of seeing those stupid threads and posts for 9 weeks now and wasn’t looking for a fight. It appears you are and if you want to get pissy

 

[LACHAMP46]

your baiting is getting obvious too.

Easy schedule...look at our record....he's writing his OWN narrative.....look at the record vs teams OVER.500....Seasons just gettin started....I'm just looking....check back in 4 weeks now....first week is done....we can see if the Jags, Seahawks, and Cowboys were tests then too...check his numbers in those games....you might not like what you find....

Baiting? Check the records.....see if they don't mimic what I've seen in the Pac-12......Stanford, Oregon, USC, UCLA....hell, throw Utah in there.

New Orleans. Philly. Tennessee....(should be a gimme).....and Seattle on the road.

Why do you think Anthony Barr and Kendricks were hitting him in such a way? Think Zim didn't tell them to do that?

 

[Rams43]

Just a few words about why Tavon is getting fewer and fewer snaps...


All due respect, but I think that some are seeing Tavon with their heart, not their eyes. Pure speed is but a part of a WR’s arsenal.

Here are Tavon’s stats. Please focus on his ‘17 season stats.

[www.espn.com]

He’s been a liability as a PR. Too many bad decisions, too much running sideways, too many muffs. Cooper is much better. Not even close.

As a receiver? Just 7 of 12 for 43 yards. For the season, mind you. Is THIS the guy you want to replace Woods with?

As a RB? He has 36 rushes for 171 yards, a 6.1 average. Except that it’s been trending downward lately. I mean, drastically. Opposing D’s have figured him out. He’s reduced himself to one trick pony status.

So here we are. Missing our top WR for 2 or more games. And Tavon appears to be our 6th best WR.

Sooooo...

Why in the world would one want to even THINK about replacing Woods with Tavon, even on a limited basis? I would infinitely prefer some combo of Reynolds, Cooper, or Thomas. Whichever one is most effective gets more and more snaps.

And feed the hell outta Watkins. Even when he’s not open, he’s open. I would hope that Gurley gets lots of looks, too. He’s a nightmare to defend as a pass receiver.

Two more things.

For those that point to McVay promising to use Tavon more often in the future, I say take that with a grain of salt. It’s coachspeak to avoid embarrassing Tavon. Don’t focus on McVay’s words, focus instead on his deeds. He’s given Tavon 2 snaps (no touches) in the last 2 games combined.

Lastly, I’ve asked this question on 2 boards and have yet to get a single answer reply on either. If Tavon is so damned important to the effectiveness of our O, how does one explain all of the many, many successful explosive plays by this O when Tavon wasn’t even on the field?

I’ll wait...

 

[Pancake]

I don't really think missing Tavon had any effect on the Rams losing. I think that dropping key balls, turn overs and atrocious CB play caused it.

 

[dieterbrock]

Same MO as the first two losses. Throw the ball WAY too much and get one dimensional and get shutdown.

I am more unhappy about not getting Gurley the ball enough than TA.

Even though Gurley was only averaging about 1 yard per carry after his opening drive?

 

[blackbart]

Even though Gurley was only averaging about 1 yard per carry after his opening drive?

Yes, Gurley, like most good RBs, gets better as the game goes on and his touches start adding up. They proved they could get it done on the first drive, there is no reason to expect the Oline to not be able to pave the way just like they have in those 7 wins.

It was a tough game against a good team. I was have been surprised if they won and they did hang in there. I just think their game plan has to start with Gurley and have the passing game compliment that base. I was not a fan of the game plan but it could have worked out with a couple more catches and better defensive play.

Over all I have to give the Vikings and Keenum credit.

 

[Angry Ram]

It amazes me how people want to debate the facts man.

Tavon is a weapon DIRECTLY and INDIRECTLY.

A player like Higbee can get targets but Tavon can't? That's on coach.

#Whippingboy

#Agenda

 

[Soul Surfer]

Even though Gurley was only averaging about 1 yard per carry after his opening drive?

The more you feed him the rock the more chance he has to break one.
The only thing his game was missing last Sunday was a 30-40 yard gainer.

 

[shovelpass]

Yes, Gurley, like most good RBs, gets better as the game goes on and his touches start adding up. They proved they could get it done on the first drive, there is no reason to expect the Oline to not be able to pave the way just like they have in those 7 wins.

It was a tough game against a good team. I was have been surprised if they won and they did hang in there. I just think their game plan has to start with Gurley and have the passing game compliment that base. I was not a fan of the game plan but it could have worked out with a couple more catches and better defensive play.

Over all I have to give the Vikings and Keenum credit.

And running the ball would help mitigate the Vikings pass rush. It wears them down, and it prevents them from just rushing the passer.

 

[BriansRams]

So here's my idea!

You know how we run Tavon on the jet sweep but mostly do not give it to him, then hand it to Gurley up the middle?
How about changing that up to mess with the defender's heads?
Have Gurley run the jet sweep position and truly give him the ball the first time we run it. Give it to him 50% of the time like that, but then also have Tavon as RB, fake the jet to Gurley (the defense HAS TO respect Gurley maybe getting that ball for a split second) and hand off or pitch to Tavon! Mix it up a lot. Do all the different scenarios possible with that play. Sooner or later there's gonna be gaping running room for one of them.

I'm brilliant.
Those play calls would be brilliant.

 

[BriansRams]

So here's my idea!

You know how we run Tavon on the jet sweep but mostly do not give it to him, then hand it to Gurley up the middle?
How about changing that up to mess with the defender's heads?
Have Gurley run the jet sweep position and truly give him the ball the first time we run it. Give it to him 50% of the time like that, but then also have Tavon as RB, fake the jet to Gurley (the defense HAS TO respect Gurley maybe getting that ball for a split second) and hand off or pitch to Tavon! Mix it up a lot. Do all the different scenarios possible with that play. Sooner or later there's gonna be gaping running room for one of them.

I'm brilliant.
Those play calls would be brilliant.

Oh! One more play that'd be awesome.
Immediate fake to Gurley jet sweeping left.
Then fake hand off to Tavon up middle-right.
Blockers release all D-lineman, let em run at Goff as Goff back peddles.
Then short screen pass to Tavon on the right.

Something like this play can work, especially on 1st and 10.

 

[Ramlock]

Even though Gurley was only averaging about 1 yard per carry after his opening drive?

Yep

Give it to him enough and he breaks a couple

Put me in the Gurley needs more carries group

 

[Zero]

No BS

There is and have been a vocal crew that complain weekly about Tavon.

He should have gotten a few touches or more participation as a decoy.

The BS comes in when you make generalized statments such as

"I never get fellow Ram fans.

They will bitch, moan, and complain about Tavon on how we should trade him, he is half our salary cap, he is trash, he sucks,

and now people complain that he isn't playing enough?"

Yea some were complaining,but not all.
I get Corbins frustration,but
There are better ways to go about it than lumping an entire fanbase
into one defining statement.

 

[Rmfnlt]

#Whippingboy

#Agenda

#NoValue

 

[UKram]

Yep

Give it to him enough and he breaks a couple

Put me in the Gurley needs more carries group

I agree to a certain extent ... but we give it to him on 1st and 10 he gets stuffed for a loss of two .. next time we give to gurley he makes 2 we are third and long in a hostile environment on the road against a good Defense .... and every would be bitching about why did we run it twice when gurley got nowhere #footballfanlogic

There’s only do many times you can truba run play and it get stuffed simyoumpass to try and open up
The run

 

[SteezyEndo]

There’s only do many times you can truba run play and it get stuffed simyoumpass to try and open up
The run

You drunk already?

 

[UKram]

You drunk already?

You can’t prove I’m ducking frunk

 

[Raptorman]

Because yesterday was Tuesday and the Rams didn't play?

 

[Angry Ram]

#NoValue

#coachthinksotherwise

 

[Ram65]

http://theramswire.usatoday.com/201...sota-vikings-tavon-austin-week-11-snap-count/

Todd Gurley only received 15 carries himself in a game where the score was tied after three quarters, but the offense simply wasn’t in a rhythm at all. That, Sean McVay says, is the reason Austin hardly saw the field.

“It really was just tough to get in any sort of rhythm. Because I think they did a good job getting us off the grass, we didn’t really get enough plays off and you’d like to be able to get some of those substitutions and things like that,” McVay said after the loss. “With our inability to sustain drives, it was tough to get him going.”

The coach blamed himself for not getting Austin more involved, saying he has to be better about that in the future.

“He’s a player that we have to do a good job of – I’ve got to get him involved in the game, and it starts with being able to get more opportunities, which we didn’t get and is a credit to their defense,” he continued.

I think it was as simple as what McVay stated that the offense wasn't in rhythm at all. Give credit to the Vikings who took away the run in the second half.

The Rams only had 3 sustainable drives. The last one at the end of the game is one and didn't matter. The first drive where they didn't need TA and the Kupp Fumble drive. Maybe he could have opened things up for Gurley but, there were other problems that were too much to overcome.