Who do you want as our next coach?

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Dick Vermiel HC (stan should supply the oxygen tank and 4 legged walker)
"Mad" Mike Martz at OC keep him in a straight jacket 'cause he's mad as a hatter.
Keep "Big Bounty" Williams at DC
Keep paramedics nearby for staff issues like heart attack and stroke. We'll have the youngest players and the oldest staff.:LOL:
 

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It seems that the general consensus here is that we should move on from Jeff Fisher. I don't know what the Rams will do. Some will say that this thread is premature. You're entitled to that opinion. But this is a message board, so we might as well speculate. Here are the coaches that I'd consider leading candidates for the job along with my thoughts (in no order):
1. Anthony Lynn OC Buffalo Bills
Pros
  • Former NFL player who is reportedly incredibly respected by players in the locker-room
  • Diverse coaching tree (coached under Parcells, Del Rio, Ryan, Shanahan, and Crennel)
  • Highly successful position coach and successful thus far as an OC
Cons
  • No HC experience and very little OC experience
  • No clue what sort of staff he'd pull
My Outlook
  • I think he's a strong candidate for us because he's offensive-minded and should connect well with players. I have concerns about his lack of experience and ability to pull a top tier staff. However, he does have connections with a ton of different coaching trees, and he's done well it at every step of the way thus far as a coach.
2. Jim Bob Cooter OC Detroit Lions
Pros
  • Offensive-minded coach whose system looks amazing in Detroit
  • Experience as a player and a coach is with Quarterbacks (good for Goff)
  • Modern offensive scheme
Cons
  • Very young (32 years old)
  • No HC experience and very little OC experience
  • No clue what sort of staff he'd pull as he doesn't have a diverse coaching tree and is very young
My Outlook
  • Cooter has really taken the NFL by storm by helping Detroit to first place in the NFC North. He has Stafford playing at the highest level of his career, and his system looks highly effective. Cooter is a much easier sell here if he stuck with Gregg Williams, the defensive staff, and John Fassel (as well as his staff). That would alleviate my concerns about his ability to put together a staff.
3. Matt Patricia DC New England Patriots
Pros
  • Experience coaching both sides of the ball
  • Considered to be absolutely brilliant and has been successful as a coordinator
  • Seems highly energetic, well-liked by his players, and very enthusiastic about his job
Cons
  • No HC experience
  • Belichick's assistants have not fared well outside of New England
  • What sort of staff will he put together? (limited coaching tree)
My Outlook
  • Patricia is an interesting one. Hiring a Belichick assistant scares me, but Patricia is reportedly exceptionally brilliant. What makes him a rarity to me is that exceptionally brilliant coaches generally seem to be the types who don't connect well with players. From my observations, Patricia is very well-liked by the guys who play for him. He reminds me a lot of Mike Zimmer in the energy and passion he brings to games.
4. Todd Haley OC Pittsburgh Steelers
Pros
  • Has some success as a head coach and a lot of success as an OC
  • Runs a modern scheme that perfectly fits Goff's game
  • Comes from a very diverse coaching tree (should be able to put a good staff together)
Cons
  • Failed as a HC the first time; reportedly had issues with the players in the locker-room
  • Walked into a stable situation in Pittsburgh with a ton of offensive talent
  • He didn't play football in college or the pros
My Outlook
  • I like the scheme that Haley brings, and there's no doubt that he's a very bright offensive mind. I do have concerns about his ability to handle the locker-room. It was a struggle for him in Kansas City. He did have a playoff year in KC, but he also got fired. I'm on the fence with him. The most important thing for me with our next coaching hire is that the guys in the locker-room will play for and respect that coach.
5. Kyle Shanahan OC Atlanta Falcons
Pros
  • Long track record of success in a lot of different situations
  • Modern offense that would work well with the pieces we have
  • Should have the sufficient connections to create a great staff
Cons
  • A lot of rumors floating around that players don't like him
  • No HC experience
  • Young (36 years old)
My Outlook
  • If it were strictly Xs and Os, Shanahan would be #1 on my list because I think his scheme perfectly fits our offense. He's a brilliant coordinator. However, I'd avoid hiring him if the rumors are true. The rumors are that he's very arrogant and rubs players the wrong way. This led to players in Washington not liking him and players in Atlanta currently do not like him. I wouldn't want to take a chance on a coach who is not liked by players.
6. David Shaw HC Stanford University
Pros
  • He has 6 years of head coaching experience despite being only 44 years old
  • Successful head coach (62-17 record at Stanford)
  • Offensive-minded head coach who has shown the ability to adapt to his talent
  • Has experience in the NFL working under Jon Gruden and Brian Billick
  • Played in college for Bill Walsh and Dennis Green
  • Father coached in the NFL for over a decade
Cons
  • Has a lot of good reasons to remain at Stanford
  • Is a conservative game manager
  • Hasn't been able to win a national championship at the college level
My Outlook
  • Personally, I think David Shaw is our best option. However, I don't know that he wants to leave Stanford. What makes Shaw a strong option is that he runs a pro style offense that he adapts to his personnel, he has experience working in the NFL, he has a lot of connections in the NFL, and he's a successful head coach already at a young age. He does have a streak of Fisherness in him (tends to be very conservative with the lead), but his offensive philosophy isn't antiquated. I think he'd work well with the personnel we have.
7. Mike McCarthy HC Green Bay Packers
Pros
  • Offensive-minded HC with a Super Bowl ring
  • Known as one of the best QB developers in football
  • Modern offensive system
  • Can put together a strong staff
  • Not old for a coach who has 11 years experience and 100+ wins as a HC (53 years old)
Cons
  • Is being stubborn with his offensive system in Green Bay
  • Things seem to have gotten stale in Green Bay
  • Is a conservative game manager
  • Unlikely to be fired
My Outlook
  • Truth is that it's hard to argue with Mike McCarthy's track record. If he came available, I'd go all in on him. Unfortunately, I think he's highly unlikely to be fired despite what some rumors say.
You might notice that I didn't include a few names. I didn't include Josh McDaniels because I wouldn't consider him for the job. I think you have many of the same issues that you have with Kyle Shanahan (arrogance and disliked by players) without the track record of success in many different situations.(McDaniels has universally failed outside of NE)

I didn't include Jim Schwartz because he feels like much of the same with Fisher. Schwartz is a brilliant DC, but he was too similar of a HC to his mentor, Jeff Fisher. I think we need fresh blood who has a fresh offensive approach.

I didn't include a number of coaches who are retreads in my minds because they already got shots as HC and failed. Some of them failed multiple times. These coaches include Norv Turner, Wade Phillips, Rod Marinelli, John Fox, etc.

I also didn't include coaches who are either too old (ex. Tom Coughlin) or are retired (ex. Jon Gruden). Frankly, I'm just not interesting in trying to relive the past with guys like Bill Cowher, Jon Gruden, etc.

What do you guys think? Is there anyone I missed? Who would you like to see hired?(you don't have to agree with me...maybe you want Norv Turner or Jon Gruden; everybody's opinion is welcome)

I want to state at the outset: This is not a thread to rip Fisher in. We have enough of those already. Let's just focus on who we want moving forward. I know that we may not fire Fisher, but this is a forum. Half of the fun is speculating and playing armchair GM.

Nice job on the post.
Well organized.

I have some others and will post them when I get time.
Just wanted to comment on yours.
 

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I've been selling this guy for a few months..KNOWS how to get the last ounce of talent from his players..
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This would be my choice
 

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I would like this guy. Dana Holgorsen aka
Mad Scientist. Known for his genius play
schemes. He would be a great fit.
 

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I'm probably in the minority but i would still like a defensive-minded head coach...with experience.

Having said that, one has to wonder if [cough] Scott Linehan gets offers to take a HC gig again after the work he's put in with Dallas. Not saying he's all of a sudden HC material. He clearly wasn't when he was here, but as far as an OC goes he'd be at the top of my list.
 

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I just don't get how this changes anything. We're keeping the same exact staff except we're replacing the head coach with a guy who has a far worse track record.

The difference is Fisher would be gone, ... you know, the guy everyone here is talking about. If you believe Boras is little more than a Fisher clone, then I'll assume you want the entire Offensive coaching staff replaced, which may actually translate to a new HC as it could prove very difficult to only replace 1 unit's worth of coaches with that new HC. If Williams were to be named HC, would our defense lose some of its swagger under another DC while he is busy administering to the entire team ? If Williams doesn't get the HC job, could we lose him to another team, or could McGinnis make it easier for Williams to stay ? If Williams gets the job, will he hire a decent OC who also hires decent assistants ?
Whatever happens, it's a gamble. McGinnis is only an option if we want Fisher gone while keeping the bulk of our team together, only replacing the OC, offensive line coaches & the QB coach, as mentioned earlier. Boras & Williams would have increased responsibilities and McGinnis would see more to the administrative side, his background is more on the defensive side of the ball anyway, and he hasn't hurt Williams' effectiveness with that up to this point.
The difference here is that I like our team other than our OL and some game day decisions made by Fisher. When it comes to a blame game, I don't have enough information to know where Fisher's influence ends and Boras' begins. The OL coaches have been ineffective for several years, even with a resume like Boudreau's, he and his assistants aren't getting it done, and finding a top notch QB coach for Goff could only help his prospects going forward. I think the team is close with a few simple adjustments and a few personnel upgrades, I don't believe wholesale change is required, and that may be just what we get with a new HC and/or a complete house cleaning should Demoff & Snead also be sent packing. jmo.
 

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If I'm Stan... Before I do anything else I call Jim Harbaugh and offer him $15 million per year to be my head coach
Yes...as in Hell yes.
plus final say in football decisions to include the GM and front office hires.
Ehhhh....i don't know about that. Did he really build anything there in SF?
 

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Here's the thing though, what you are condemning Haley for, Belechick showed in spades when he was a DC. He has douchebaggery down to a science.
He's been successful with many different QB, he even got Cassell to the playoffs, and he sure cut his teeth in successful programs.

Belichick deals with the players like a tough father-type figure and has an earnestness that plays even as he puts his foot in @$$. Haley's all douche.

Here's Belichick mic'd up, some good interaction with players starting 2:55 point:



Here's Haley with some good interaction throughout, style comes across much different:



Haley post-game with McDaniels, who is another douche type:

 

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The difference is Fisher would be gone, ... you know, the guy everyone here is talking about. If you believe Boras is little more than a Fisher clone, then I'll assume you want the entire Offensive coaching staff replaced, which may actually translate to a new HC as it could prove very difficult to only replace 1 unit's worth of coaches with that new HC. If Williams were to be named HC, would our defense lose some of its swagger under another DC while he is busy administering to the entire team ? If Williams doesn't get the HC job, could we lose him to another team, or could McGinnis make it easier for Williams to stay ? If Williams gets the job, will he hire a decent OC who also hires decent assistants ?
Whatever happens, it's a gamble. McGinnis is only an option if we want Fisher gone while keeping the bulk of our team together, only replacing the OC, offensive line coaches & the QB coach, as mentioned earlier. Boras & Williams would have increased responsibilities and McGinnis would see more to the administrative side, his background is more on the defensive side of the ball anyway, and he hasn't hurt Williams' effectiveness with that up to this point.
The difference here is that I like our team other than our OL and some game day decisions made by Fisher. When it comes to a blame game, I don't have enough information to know where Fisher's influence ends and Boras' begins. The OL coaches have been ineffective for several years, even with a resume like Boudreau's, he and his assistants aren't getting it done, and finding a top notch QB coach for Goff could only help his prospects going forward. I think the team is close with a few simple adjustments and a few personnel upgrades, I don't believe wholesale change is required, and that may be just what we get with a new HC and/or a complete house cleaning should Demoff & Snead also be sent packing. jmo.

Getting rid of Fisher and replacing him with a less effective in-house option doesn't fix the problem. I'd like to keep Williams, the bulk of the defensive staff, and Fassel. But we need new blood on offense and new blood at HC. If I were to promote anyone on staff, it would be John Fassel.
 

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Gurley
Goff
Havenstein
Britt
Austin
Cunningham
Donald
Quinn
Hayes
Olgetree
Barron
McDonald
Hekker (hell all 3 of the specialists)
Johnson (if he wants to stay)
Cooper (maybe)
Robinson (if the coach thinks he can develop him)

There are others, but there's definitely talent to build around on this team.


It's closer to the number twelve than one would expect after 4 years. There are at least 3 players that I take off that list.
 

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It's closer to the number twelve than one would expect after 4 years. There are at least 3 players that I take off that list.

I wouldn't say close to 12. I am keeping all 11 defensive starters if I can. Only guy I might upgrade on is Will Hayes. But he's a solid starter.

Offensively, I'd keep starting Goff, Gurley, Britt, Robinson (at OG if he doesn't improve), Havenstein, and Brown.

That would be 17 for me. Although, I guess a couple are arguable.
 

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Whatever happens, it's a gamble. McGinnis is only an option if we want Fisher gone while keeping the bulk of our team together, only replacing the OC, offensive line coaches & the QB coach, as mentioned earlier. Boras & Williams would have increased responsibilities and McGinnis would see more to the administrative side, his background is more on the defensive side of the ball anyway, and he hasn't hurt Williams' effectiveness with that up to this point.
Who's to say Williams agrees to stay under any circumstance other than he himself being named HC?
McGinnis was Williams LB coach, and now he is going to bypass him for the HC position?
Dunno how that would fly.
In any event, I value a HC a lot more than just being an administrator of his coordinators.
I'd rather bring in a guy who has a vision of how he wants his team to operate from head to toe. If Fassell and Williams can be part of it, great. If they are collateral damage, so be it.
If Fisher is being replaced, its for an upgrade and I cant see how in any fashion, McGinnis is an upgrade
 

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Offensively, I'd keep starting Goff, Gurley, Britt, Robinson (at OG if he doesn't improve), Havenstein, and Brown
Did I miss something? Is Tavon Austin missing on purpose from your list?
 

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Getting rid of Fisher and replacing him with a less effective in-house option doesn't fix the problem. I'd like to keep Williams, the bulk of the defensive staff, and Fassel. But we need new blood on offense and new blood at HC. If I were to promote anyone on staff, it would be John Fassel.

I would keep three members of the current staff, Gregg Williams, John Fassel as you so eloquently illustrate counselor and Defensive Line Coach Mike Waufle. And I feel very strongly that if the Rams do make a change that Josh McDaniels will be the target IMHO.

My feeling for this is I'm a connect a dot guy and Kroenke tried to copy the Patriot paradigm when hiring Fisher and giving him control, this was reported. Add that IMO, if the Rams make a change, they will go with an offensive coach and will want someone for Jared Goff.

Now I'm lukewarm on McDaniels, however, IMO, I could see Demoff and Kroenke feeling that he is similar to Belichick who had a first stint in Cleveland and then went back with Bill Parcells and took his time before getting another Head Coaching gig. Again I based this on nothing more than that I study History, but again if the Rams make a change I could see this developing and I could see McDaniels taking this job because of the Owner, young Quarterback and location.
 

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With an aloof, tightwad owner and clowns running the front office and personnel. Just sayin.
Similar to what could be said about Spagnolo, but ultimately the ungodly poor results speak volumes
 

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I'm probably in the minority but i would still like a defensive-minded head coach...with experience.

Having said that, one has to wonder if [cough] Scott Linehan gets offers to take a HC gig again after the work he's put in with Dallas. Not saying he's all of a sudden HC material. He clearly wasn't when he was here, but as far as an OC goes he'd be at the top of my list.

He's not. I just can't forget the way he melted down in his abbreviated last season with the Rams.

He's at the level he should be now. A good OC, but not HC material. Some guys are like that.
 

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Linehan should never get another HC gig again. He was far worse than Spags or Fisher. Being a good play caller doesn't make you a good HC. He is clearly a good play caller.