Who do you want as our next coach?

[jrry32]

True. Which is why I'm fine with fisher staying. Our team is 2/3 complete. Goff will be the deciding factor whether we make it 3/3.

Okay. But many of us would rather this team not offer a contract to a has-been who hasn't put together a winning season in nearly a decade.

 

[Young Ram]

Okay. But many of us would rather this team not offer a contract to a has-been who hasn't put together a winning season in nearly a decade.

Totally understand.

 

[thirteen28]

I'm willing to give Scott Linehan another try. He's doing a good job in Dallas.

I rated your post as "Shoot me" ... but what I really wanted to rate the thought of Scott Linehan returning as head coach is:

Shoot me, then run over me with a school bus, like, 75 times, then set me on fire, then take piss on my burning husk to put out the fire, then take a dump on my charred, smoldering remains.

As Nancy Reagan once said, "Just say NO to Scott Linehan" (it appears the original might have been garbled in the translation).

 

[dieterbrock]

I have cooled considerably on Haley as I research these guys. Dude is an enormous douchebag and I don't think his offensive knowledge will compensate enough for that to allow him to have sustained success as a head coach.

McDaniels has some of the same qualities tbh. I'd be ok with Stan hiring him, but I don't think he's the best head coaching candidate from the Patriots' staff.

Yeah, that would be Patricia. And what is painful about recognizing what a great HC candidate he is, is the fact he's a defensive guy. But with him it's sort of similar to going BPA in the draft, where even though you want that other flashy or need-based option the BPA is the one who will give you the most success.

But I'll float one more thing out here for you guys... Look at Belichick and consider the signs he showed of his future success when he was a DC:

1. An ability to shut down his opponent in any game or situation, regardless of whether his unit was overmatched. In other words, sustained and top-notch performance at the coordinator level.

2. Cut his teeth in a winning program. I include this because obviously he picked up many good things that helped him be a head coach working under Parcells.

Guys like Fish, who never mastered the coordinator level, are at a disadvantage. This is the kind of guy the Rams need to hire if and when Fish walks and they pull from the NFL fraternity. Someone who has mastered the coordinator level and who works for a program where they've seen things done right.

Failing that, they need to dip into college and get a guy who has run a whole program and who has demonstrated the strategic edge the NFL requires. Not the guy who wins with vastly better talent. The guy who gets the most from less and wins big games year to year. IMO.

Here's the thing though, what you are condemning Haley for, Belechick showed in spades when he was a DC. He has douchebaggery down to a science.
He's been successful with many different QB, he even got Cassell to the playoffs, and he sure cut his teeth in successful programs.

 

[dieterbrock]

I rated your post as "Shoot me" ... but what I really wanted to rate the thought of Scott Linehan returning as head coach is:

Shoot me, then run over me with a school bus, like, 75 times, then set me on fire, then take pee pee on my burning husk to put out the fire, then take a dump on my charred, smoldering remains.

As Nancy Reagan once said, "Just say NO to Scott Linehan" (it appears the original might have been garbled in the translation).

I think I'd rather tattoo "Jeff Fisher is God" on my back before seeing Linehan back as a HC
And upon completion of said tattoo, I'd hope for someone to shoot me, then run over me with a school bus, like, 75 times, then set me on fire, then take pee pee on my burning husk to put out the fire, then take a dump on my charred, smoldering remains.

 

[dieterbrock]

I'm with you on this Elm.
Rather than radical change and disruption, I'd consider moving McGinnis into the top spot and retaining Boras as OC/asst.HC, ... without Fisher breathing down his neck, he should open up that offense. Boras would have orders to hire new offensive line coaches as well as a new QB coach. The Defense and Special Teams coaching remains in tact unless Fisher Jr. follows dad out the door. No long new contracts should be made on offense while Boras is on probation. jmo.

Dave McGinnis was 17-40 as a head coach.

 

[wmc540]

McDaniels not only Flamed out as HC in Denver, he Flamed out as OC with the Rams in ST. Louis! I would go back their!

A. He had some success, but ultimately wasn't ready at that point to lead the Broncos. I'm sure he's learned a ton from that experience.
B. No one has fixed the Rams offense in the last 15 years. There is no way McDaniels without any control over personnel could have impacted any genuine change in 1 year under Spags.

 

[jrry32]

A. He had some success, but ultimately wasn't ready at that point to lead the Broncos. I'm sure he's learned a ton from that experience.
B. No one has fixed the Rams offense in the last 15 years. There is no way McDaniels without any control over personnel could have impacted any genuine change in 1 year under Spags.

He's failed everywhere but New England. There's no way I'm risking the talent we have on a guy with two strikes.

 

[DaveFan'51]

A. He had some success, but ultimately wasn't ready at that point to lead the Broncos. I'm sure he's learned a ton from that experience.
B. No one has fixed the Rams offense in the last 15 years. There is no way McDaniels without any control over personnel could have impacted any genuine change in 1 year under Spags.

Sorry, But we are just going to have to agree to disagree on these points^! I believe you are wrong.

 

[bluecoconuts]

Do the Rams have 12 players on the roster that a new coach would retain? I think you could say the entire defense, plus Gurley, Goff, Bennie, Havenstien, Britt at minimum.

Gurley
Goff
Havenstein
Britt
Austin
Cunningham
Donald
Quinn
Hayes
Olgetree
Barron
McDonald
Hekker (hell all 3 of the specialists)
Johnson (if he wants to stay)
Cooper (maybe)
Robinson (if the coach thinks he can develop him)

There are others, but there's definitely talent to build around on this team.

 

[Riverumbbq]

Dave McGinnis was 17-40 as a head coach.

He'd be more of an administrator with Boras & Williams given an increased role as coordinators imo. As I mentioned earlier, this management team would be on a kind of probation or short leash. It would put-off a complete takeover by a new outside coach by starting from scratch with a total rebuild, at least for a couple seasons. The Rams are good at Defense & Special Teams, i'd prefer not to upset what is right about our team when it appears our offense may only need an offensive line & coaching upgrade while our rookie QB gets up to speed.
The Rams may not have much of an impactful draft without a 1'st round draft pick for 2017, but we should have some available CAP to apply towards free agency, more so than in the recent past. Fisher is underwhelming as a coach, but I see the basics of a solid foundation outside of our O-Line, and applying our resources properly seems imperative for a turnaround as well as for our QB's success & survival. Any new coach will feel at a disadvantage coming onto a team consistently averaging less than a 50% winning percentage, ... and not having a first round draft pick to make an initial mark, so I wouldn't be all that surprised if Fish gets one more year. If Fisher's contract isn't renewed, but Kroenke feels comfortable with the present personnel direction, as well as other overall aspects at the coordinator/coaching/management levels, perhaps he'll take a minimalistic approach for the short term ? Snead and Demoff seem relatively safe, Fisher has some good players, he's just missing an exceptional talent for coaching guys into winning performances consistently. jmo.

 

[ArkyRamsFan]

First of all, jrry32, outstanding post and excellent topic, man.

Pretty timely, too, I suspect.

My general thoughts are that I am hoping for a CEO type new HC.

What does that mean? An overseer. One that will hire the very best assistants and then get out of their way and just let them do their damned jobs. Merely keeping tabs on them to make sure that they're implementing his philosophies.

Has zero tolerance for the following:

Stupid penalties
Lack of attention to details that lead to mistakes,
Demands quick development by players and from his assistants alike.
Realizes that the O is an important part of the team.
Has a killer instinct and never takes his foot off the gas.
Won't draft or sign dumb players.
Has a win at all costs attitude.
Doesn't give a damn whether the players considered him a "players coach".

I'm not a big fan of over the hill retired retread HC candidates, either. No more dinosaur and/or yesterday's news HC's like Fisher. Lesson learned.

IOW, might need to be a successful existing HC rather than a coordinator. A college HC such as a Saban, Meyer, or Peterson?

I have a mild concern about hiring a present OC, even though he might be currently successful in that role. I fear we may wind up with a de facto OC actually calling his own O plays while carrying the title and salary of a HC.

Harbaugh is (or at least was) a dick. But I believe he would turn this very same roster into winners in his very first year. So, I think I could learn to live with his "jerkiness". Lol. Don't know if the Rams can or will make him an offer he can't refuse. Or the terms of his Michigan contract, for that matter.

But Harbaugh would definitely provide the name recognition, credibility, and track record that Kroenke allegedly desires.

Anyway, thanks again for a fun and outside the box thread, man.

Rams43,

This is a great post. Thou hast nailed it. I especially like your list of attributes for our next HC,

Mebbe we can e mail a copy to our Front Office guys for their education. No more excuses for them anymore.

BTW what does IOW stand for? I need to add to my list of acronyms!

~ArkyRamsFan~

 

[DaveFan'51]

In a "Perfect World" I would keep everyone in place except I would Make Williams our HC, bring in Norv Turner as OC and make Mike Singletary our DC! But I'm Old Fashioned!!

 

[dieterbrock]

He's failed everywhere but New England. There's no way I'm risking the talent we have on a guy with two strikes.

And still, he's only 40 years old

 

[Ballhawk]

The circumstances under which McDaniels operated under when he was here were impossible so that shouldn't be held against him. And the best HCs usually failed their first try at the job and as long as they learned what they did wrong it usually makes them better.

 

[Amitar]

HC/DC: Greg Williams
OC: Norv Turner
Keep Mike Singletary

 

[jrry32]

And still, he's only 40 years old

It's impressive. It's like Lane Kiffin. People still want to give him head coaching jobs based on what he is doing under Saban despite Kiffin failing multiple times as a head coach. Kiffin was literally handed a top 3 job in the country (USC Trojans) and managed to blow it. I feel the same way about McDaniels. He was handed a great NFL HC job by the Broncos and completely blew it.

The circumstances under which McDaniels operated under when he was here were impossible so that shouldn't be held against him. And the best HCs usually failed their first try at the job and as long as they learned what they did wrong it usually makes them better.

He blew up a pretty good Broncos team and then led an offense that fell flat on its face here. I am going to hold him failing in every stop outside of New England against him.

 

[jrry32]

He'd be more of an administrator with Boras & Williams given an increased role as coordinators imo. As I mentioned earlier, this management team would be on a kind of probation or short leash. It would put-off a complete takeover by a new outside coach by starting from scratch with a total rebuild, at least for a couple seasons. The Rams are good at Defense & Special Teams, i'd prefer not to upset what is right about our team when it appears our offense may only need an offensive line & coaching upgrade while our rookie QB gets up to speed.
The Rams may not have much of an impactful draft without a 1'st round draft pick for 2017, but we should have some available CAP to apply towards free agency, more so than in the recent past. Fisher is underwhelming as a coach, but I see the basics of a solid foundation outside of our O-Line, and applying our resources properly seems imperative for a turnaround as well as for our QB's success & survival. Any new coach will feel at a disadvantage coming onto a team consistently averaging less than a 50% winning percentage, ... and not having a first round draft pick to make an initial mark, so I wouldn't be all that surprised if Fish gets one more year. If Fisher's contract isn't renewed, but Kroenke feels comfortable with the present personnel direction, as well as other overall aspects at the coordinator/coaching/management levels, perhaps he'll take a minimalistic approach for the short term ? Snead and Demoff seem relatively safe, Fisher has some good players, he's just missing an exceptional talent for coaching guys into winning performances consistently. jmo.

I just don't get how this changes anything. We're keeping the same exact staff except we're replacing the head coach with a guy who has a far worse track record.

 

[dieterbrock]

It's impressive. It's like Lane Kiffin. People still want to give him head coaching jobs based on what he is doing under Saban despite Kiffin failing multiple times as a head coach. Kiffin was literally handed a top 3 job in the country (USC Trojans) and managed to blow it. I feel the same way about McDaniels. He was handed a great NFL HC job by the Broncos and completely blew it.

Lane Kiffin, great counterpoint!

 

[dieterbrock]

I just don't get how this changes anything. We're keeping the same exact staff except we're replacing the head coach with a guy who has a far worse track record.

Right, can we get at least 1 guy that knows something about offense?