Which 2025 draftee would you trade up for, if any? Why or why not?

[Tano]

Is the draft here yet?

 

[dieterbrock]

Is the draft here yet?

Only 675 hours to go!! (Give or take)

 

[DzRams]

No. I keep telling you what I believe. But you keep coming back with what you think I mean and responding from there with hyperbole (so I'll mix some in with my response).

Again, I believe that Warren is a very talented player. He 's one of the top TEs in a DEEP TE draft class. But, it appears that if I just don't bow at his shrine and blindly praise him, all the sudden I don't think he's any good, or all that good, or any TE can do what he did at the same level. And that's simply not the case at all.

So let's try this again.
(This time please read minus any Warren goggles and I think you might agree).
1) I believe this is the DEEPEST TE draft class that I've ever seen.
2) I don't believe that any TE or player is worth trading up for in the 1st round of this draft class.
3) I don't believe that the overall impact of a great TE vs. a very good TE is significant enough expend extra assets to obtain.
4) I believe that a good TE placed in a very good to great situation can shine and impact his team about as much, or more, as a great TE in a lesser situation.
5) I believe that there are many talented athletes with untapped skills and abilities not utilized by their coaching staffs (situations).
6) And finally, while I believe that Tyler Warren is very talented and may very well be the best TE in THIS draft class, I don't believe that he's the greatest thing since sliced bread like I think you mean.

The issue could be that these qualifying words aren't defined. Among NFL TEs, current and past, which would you classify as great, very good, and good?

 

[Tano]

Only 675 hours to go!! (Give or take)

 

[Rambitious1]

I would be ok with a trade up for Jeanty or Hunter, or Carter, or Membou or Warren.
Best RB, best CB/WR, best ED, best OL, best TE - with the goal being to win the Super Bowl this year.
I think these players would improve the SB chances more than any other 2025 draftees.

With no trade up, I would be ok taking Henderson, Hampton, Loveland, Zabel, Barron, Skattebo, Emmanwori, Revel, Campbell, Higgins, Egbuka at 26.
Others of course, if they happen to fall for whatever reasons - McMillan, Burden, Graham, etc

The idea is to win the Super Bowl this year.

Rams should pick players that move them toward that goal #1 and improve them for the future secondly/as well.

I agree with those that say don't take a QB at 26 as it doesn't make the team much better this year - doesn't move them closer to SB win.

I agree with what you posted, except TE. That’s not going to do anything to help us reach the Superbowl this year. Also, McVay doesn’t seem to over use the TE position other than for blocking and occasionally running pass routes and reverses.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I disagree. #3 & #4 are very good assumptions and have played out in the league IMO. Many TEs drafted that never become impactful players? Huh? Of course. I think you mis-read my statements again.

#5 is just wishful thinking. Hopefully you don't believe that all these great athletes came to college limited to the skills required at the position of which they play.

Repeating what I said??? No. Show me where I said Warren isn't any good or that anybody can do what he did at the same level as you claimed. You can't because I never said it. Yet you went on a tangent regarding such.

Show me where I said you can get top talent in rounds 1-7 in this draft class. You can't because I never said it. I pointed out the depth of the draft class and the potential overall impact of these guys from good to great if placed in the right situation isn't as significant to warrant trading up for Warren.

Good grief.

You said Conyers, who is projected to be a late round pick, Draft Buzz said UDFA can do everything Warren can do.

Either way, my point remains. Conyers can do everything you listed. Run, pass, catch, and he has YAC ability.

minus his opportunity in his final season at Penn State. If another talented TE prospect in this deep TE draft class got that same opportunity, we might be raving about him instead.

Plus here you are discounting Warren’s talent as circumstantial. Strange and Johnson were ahead of him on the depth chart but even last year I said Warren is the best of the three and hoped the Rams can draft him……..last year.

The way teams dissect these players and measure their athleticism, there is no way Warren ends up a late round pick. NFL teams find players from small schools. They don’t miss talent. You are suggesting he may not be all that talented if you think he’d slip through the cracks.

Either way. You don’t have to think he’s worth trading up for. I do, depending on how far he falls. This draft is short on star level talent. I’d rather they try to get a star out of the draft. The Rams are in contention. One impact player will do more for the 2025 season than a handful of backups and an average starter or two.

 

[Memphis Ram]

The issue could be that these qualifying words aren't defined. Among NFL TEs, current and past, which would you classify as great, very good, and good?

I’m tempted to, but my giving an opinion on TEs who are great, very good, and good would just start another debate or argument.

How about you make your own examples and once completed ask yourself:

If the good TE was placed in a great situation and got a lot of targets and put up big numbers and the great TE was placed in a lesser situation and didn’t get as many opportunities and didn't put up big numbers, how would both parties be viewed by the masses? And how would their overall impact be viewed?

 

[Memphis Ram]

You said Conyers, who is projected to be a late round pick, Draft Buzz said UDFA can do everything Warren can do.




Plus here you are discounting Warren’s talent as circumstantial. Strange and Johnson were ahead of him on the depth chart but even last year I said Warren is the best of the three and hoped the Rams can draft him……..last year.

The way teams dissect these players and measure their athleticism, there is no way Warren ends up a late round pick. NFL teams find players from small schools. They don’t miss talent. You are suggesting he may not be all that talented if you think he’d slip through the cracks.

Either way. You don’t have to think he’s worth trading up for. I do, depending on how far he falls. This draft is short on star level talent. I’d rather they try to get a star out of the draft. The Rams are in contention. One impact player will do more for the 2025 season than a handful of backups and an average starter or two.

Conyers can and showed that he can do some of the same things Warren did at Penn State. The former QB was good running, passing, and offering YAC like you mentioned earlier. Did he do it as much? No. He wasn’t given the opportunity.

Draft Buzz has him rated as an UDFA? That’s fine. They had Puka Nacua as the 7th round pick and Tre Tomlinson as a 3rd round pick so……….

And I see you cut off the first part of my statement you quoted.

Here is the Complete sentence you cut off before the next one.

Again, Warren wouldn't even be considered so highly today minus his opportunity in his final season at Penn State. If another talented TE prospect in this deep TE draft class got that same opportunity, we might be raving about him instead.

That’s not saying the kid is not very talented. That’s pointing out that being featured and given a lot of opportunities put him on the freaking 1st round map. If the TEs that were there before stayed another season and he didn’t get as much of an opportunity to shine, would he be getting 1st round buzz? I don’t think so!! Does that make him any less talented. NO!!

Who said Warren ends up being a late round pick or anything about him slipping through the cracks?? Again, please stop reading between the lines and read the actual lines posted. It will help if you take off the Warren goggles.

Either way. I don’t believe that there is any TE in this draft class that is going to be a star or impact player on this team with Adams and Nacua getting their share of targets.

 

[Ram Ts]

Are you two still not ready to bury this dead TE horse?

 

[WestCoastRam]

Also, McVay doesn’t seem to over use the TE position other than for blocking and occasionally running pass routes and reverses.

That's... a lotta use. Like, an every down use. Don't forget TE screens!

Look I think Parkinson is a useful player as a 2nd TE but our offense suffered greatly when we didn't have Higbee's blocking and receiving skills this season.

Also, at the end of the season, Higbee had become the third weapon in the offense after Kupp fell off.

McVay's plays require a lot from the TEs. Higbee is underrated. We need a good TE to replace him to get the same production. Imagine what a very good to great TE could do.

(And I'm talking about Y TE, not an F or move TE, they're almost separate positions - we need both in a year, btw).

 

[Memphis Ram]

Are you two still not ready to bury this dead TE horse?

I was and am, but I keep letting the misrepresentations draw me right back in.

I'll try to do better.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Conyers can and showed that he can do some of the same things Warren did at Penn State. The former QB was good running, passing, and offering YAC like you mentioned earlier. Did he do it as much? No. He wasn’t given the opportunity.

Draft Buzz has him rated as an UDFA? That’s fine. They had Puka Nacua as the 7th round pick and Tre Tomlinson as a 3rd round pick so……….

And I see you cut off the first part of my statement you quoted.

Here is the Complete sentence you cut off before the next one.



That’s not saying the kid is not very talented. That’s pointing out that being featured and given a lot of opportunities put him on the freaking 1st round map. If the TEs that were there before stayed another season and he didn’t get as much of an opportunity to shine, would he be getting 1st round buzz? I don’t think so!! Does that make him any less talented. NO!!

Who said Warren ends up being a late round pick or anything about him slipping through the cracks?? Again, please stop reading between the lines and read the actual lines posted. It will help if you take off the Warren goggles.

Either way. I don’t believe that there is any TE in this draft class that is going to be a star or impact player on this team with Adams and Nacua getting their share of targets.

You just said it again. Without Kotelnicki coming along, Warren wouldn’t even be considered a first round pick. But if Conyers played in PSU’s offense he would be just as good. Or something to that effect. Oh, let me correct myself, the former QB Conyers

Whatever. I wish you would stop beating around the bush and just say it. You don’t think Warren is that good. You actually think Conyers is just as good or better. We will see how that ends up next season.

 

[RamDino]

I believe the Rams need to draft a tight end in this very talented draft. However, TE is one of the harder positions to "translate" from college to the NFL. Tight ends like Brock Bowers do not come around frequently and I don't even know how well he blocked last year either, since that is a huge part of the equation. But I would rather see the Rams draft a player who can have an immediate impact on the team, like Puka or Kupp or Gurley did. That's what I believe the team needs to help them reach the super bowl THIS YEAR. Whatever tight end they draft this year might not help them until next year. I guess I'm looking for an impact player, at any position. Like @MojoRam... I want an explosive, offensive "difference maker" if the Rams can find one.

 

[Memphis Ram]

You just said it again. Without Kotelnicki coming along, Warren wouldn’t even be considered a first round pick. But if Conyers played in PSU’s offense he would be just as good. Or something to that effect. Oh, let me correct myself, the former QB Conyers

Whatever. I wish you would stop beating around the bush and just say it. You don’t think Warren is that good. You actually think Conyers is just as good or better. We will see how that ends up next season.

This is utter madness!! Are you OK?

I did not. Where did I say that if Conyers played in PSU's offense, he would be just as good? I didn't. That's what you read through your Warren goggles. I said that he could do some of the same things (SKILLS). There's NO WAY to tell if he or any player could be just as good without actually placing him in the same situations and circumstances on the same team (RESULTS). Think.

Next. Let's set the Warren goggles aside or even the player. If a PLAYER A is sharing time with others and isn't given the opportunity to fully show what he can do how would anyone know how well he can do anything to rate him a 1st round pick? Just answer that question and hopefully you will finally see my point.

And C'mon. Why would I beat around the bush regarding my thoughts on any player? I never have before and I won't start now. What kind of sense to does that make? Is there a sniper sitting outside waiting for me to say something negative about a player??

Rams Ts, I tried.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I believe the Rams need to draft a tight end in this very talented draft. However, TE is one of the harder positions to "translate" from college to the NFL. Tight ends like Brock Bowers do not come around frequently and I don't even know how well he blocked last year either, since that is a huge part of the equation. But I would rather see the Rams draft a player who can have an immediate impact on the team, like Puka or Kupp or Gurley did. That's what I believe the team needs to help them reach the super bowl THIS YEAR. Whatever tight end they draft this year might not help them until next year. I guess I'm looking for an impact player, at any position. Like @MojoRam... I want an explosive, offensive "difference maker" if the Rams can find one.

I think the toughest part of transitioning to tight end in the pros is the blocking requirements.

In a draft where there are few stars, it likely takes trading up to acquire an instant impact player, especially on offense. Aside from the two tight ends, there are two receivers they could trade up for if you want a shot at instant impact player on offense.

I’m not usually an advocate of trading up, but when a team is a Super Bowl contender it means they have fewer holes to fill and it may make sense if they think they identified a player whose skills instantly translate to the NFL. In other words, make sure he’s worth the extra picks.

 

[Memphis Ram]

I agree with what you posted, except TE. That’s not going to do anything to help us reach the Superbowl this year. Also, McVay doesn’t seem to over use the TE position other than for blocking and occasionally running pass routes and reverses.

I agree. I don't expect much change on this team as it is currently constructed. I just wish that McVay would focus more on the blocking aspect of the position like (it appears) the former Rams coaches on his coaching tree.

A stud blocker like that Georgia Tech kid Jackson Hawes could do wonders for his offense.

All these other talents outside of catching the football and running at these positions seem meaningless in comparison. Shoot as an aside, former Ram Cam Akers and current Ram Tutu Atwell came into the league with the ability to throw the football as former QBs and I'm not sure I've seen them throw one pass yet.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

This is utter madness!! Are you OK?

I did not. Where did I say that if Conyers played in PSU's offense, he would be just as good? I didn't. That's what you read through your Warren goggles. I said that he could do some of the same things (SKILLS). There's NO WAY to tell if he or any player could be just as good without actually placing him in the same situations and circumstances on the same team (RESULTS). Think.

Next. Let's set the Warren goggles aside or even the player. If a PLAYER A is sharing time with others and isn't given the opportunity to fully show what he can do how would anyone know how well he can do anything to rate him a 1st round pick? Just answer that question and hopefully you will finally see my point.

And C'mon. Why would I beat around the bush regarding my thoughts on any player? I never have before and I won't start now. What kind of sense to does that make? Is there a sniper sitting outside waiting for me to say something negative about a player??

Rams Ts, I

I won’t throw insults back.

You win. Conyers could have produced just as well at Penn State as Warren did. He should be a first round pick, and the Rams will get a draft day steal in round 7 if they pick him.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I agree. I don't expect much change on this team as it is currently constructed. I just wish that McVay would focus more on the blocking aspect of the position like (it appears) the former Rams coaches on his coaching tree.

A stud blocker like that Georgia Tech kid Jackson Hawes could do wonders for his offense.

All these other talents outside of catching the football and running at these positions seem meaningless in comparison. Shoot as an aside, former Ram Cam Akers and current Ram Tutu Atwell came into the league with the ability to throw the football as former QBs and I'm not sure I've seen them throw one pass yet.

Choo choo train last year.

 

[Memphis Ram]

I won’t throw insults back.

You win. Conyers could have produced just as well at Penn State as Warren did. He should be a first round pick, and the Rams will get a draft day steal in round 7 if they pick him.

No, but I see that you continuing to throw misrepresentations / lies just to save face.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

No, but I see that you continuing to throw misrepresentations / lies just to save face.

I’m not saving face. Everyone can read through the thread. I’m exaggerating your comments for effect. It worked.