DRAFT Where do you stand on QB Ty Simpson?

[Memento]

Yeah, he aint goin 13 either. Like i said, Dart, Shough neighborhood, in there somewhere. Possibly before Dart though, late teens early 20's. Steelers a definite possibility, 21 i believe?

I'll even eat crow if he doesn't go top ten. It'll just be a matter of how you want me to prepare it: Kentucky fried, baked in the oven, or raw with feathers and talons and all.

 

[Coliseum Ram]

I'll even eat crow if he doesn't go top ten. It'll just be a matter of how you want me to prepare it: Kentucky fried, baked in the oven, or raw with feathers and talons and all.

Haha, you're really on a limb, i LIKE it. I disagree it happens but i LIKE it!!!!

 

[jrry32]

I accept your respectful disagreement (even though I believe that Locker was never that great either; he had the arm talent and athleticism, but accuracy was an issue and getting worse every year in college was a real concern); I did forget about Dalton and Kaepernick, who both had respectable careers. I will agree on it all...except on Gabbert.

Gabbert was awful with Mizzou. I have no idea - as a Mizzou fan, and you know how much of a homer I am for my players; hyping up Luther Burden III and all with all of the warts that were coming out - how he ever got selected in the first round, let alone top fucking ten. He looked the part, sure. He never played the part on the field. He had scattershot accuracy (and his receivers often bailed him out; I watched every game, and if you ever saw the Jerrell Jackson catch on YouTube, that was Gabbert's throwing - literally - every - game) and zero touch, his athleticism was average (in that he could run if it was a straight line, but didn't know when to tuck and run or have the wiggle to elude people), absolutely nothing in his head (he had no idea what to do on a football field, stupid for a regular player, let alone an actual godforsaken quarterback.).

Gabbert had a big (completely inaccurate) arm and size. That was literally it. He was a terrible quarterback; fucking Maty Mauk outplayed him, and every Mizzou fan, young and old, will die on the hill that he was the most overrated high-ranked player we've ever had in our school's history, which hurt because he was a local kid. We wanted him to succeed, but he was utter trash for us, disappointed us literally every year, and none of us thought he was anything close to a first-round quarterback.

Some team got desperate, I'll accept that, but Gabbert sucked as a college and NFL quarterback and was completely undeserving of a first-round pick. Some team got desperate, and the expected result happened; the only reason he saw any field was because a starter got hurt, and he still managed to suck then and there because his football IQ was the equivalent of a brain-dead road-killed squirrel.

I will fucking die on that hill. I will accept and embrace anything else you say, you're a close friend of mine, but Blaine Gabbert and his supposed talent is an argument I will not back down from.

I agree on Gabbert. Terrible prospect. But NFL teams love drafting QBs who have the physical tools and the look. Gabbert had size, arm strength, and mobility. He looked like a NFL QB. But he didn't play like one. It's why I'm so anti-Allar. Same type of prospect.

 

[PhillyRam]

Let's war game out our pursuit of Stafford's successor in regards to a draft day approach of obtaining that player.

First off let's make some likley assumptions.

1. For the 27' draft, the Rams are likley going to be picking later than 26, possibly 29th or later.

2. As a result of our first assumption, its unlikely the Rams can get a top 4 or 5 QB from that draft. Remember in 24' how the top 3 went 1,2,3. Then 3 more. QBs were taken by pick 12.

3. So if they could somehow swing a trade for a top 5 QB, it will be extremely costly in regards to draft capital. They will mortgage the top of their draft for the next several years, and maybe even sending away a good young player. Remember the haul it took to move up from 15 to 1 in a so so QB draft when the Rams got Goff.

4. So then let's project the Rams can land the 5th best QB, after trading away a lot of draft capital. That guy will likley not be a guaranteed franchise QB. He will be a guy with upside, but some risk.

So now let's look at the 26' draft assumptions.

1. Ty Simpson probably sticks around at least until pick 25, but probably goes before rd 1 ends.

2. Simpson needs to sit a year or two based on 15 starts in college.

3. Looking at Simpson's first 9 games last year, he was considered a top 10 if not a top 5 pick. He then fell off for various reasons, which is certainly a concern, but some of those reasons were legit.

4. The Rams could likley move down in rd 1 and draft Simpson, while adding additional draft capital.

So let's compare these two approaches.

Wait to 27', send multiple high picks and player or players to draft maybe the 4th or 5th best QB in that draft, which granted should be a great QB draft. This cripples several drafts in regards to having very little draft capital for a few years. Of course in this scenario you likley get a player with more tools and more upside.

In 26' you can actually add draft capital to draft a kid who at one point was looked at as a top 10 pick. Simpson's biggest red flag is that he won't be as ready on day one as a more experienced college starter. You maintain a full slate of high picks going forward, while adding an extra top 100 pick or picks. The QB you get might have a ceiling of a better version of Brock Purdy, but he has to sit a year or two before he gets on the field. Of course, he may have a better chance of being a career back up than the guy you get in 27'. You also give up the option of using the 13th pick on a potential impact player.

Now, there is a third option, and that is to draft a project later on in this upcoming draft. Maybe a Payton, Allar, Nussmier, Green or Klubnik. Guys with more question marks and you may have to still reach to make sure you get one since the Rams lack mid round picks.

So what approach makes more sense if you feel you need to acquire a young QB in these next two years?

 

[DzRams]

Let's war game out our pursuit of Stafford's successor in regards to a draft day approach of obtaining that player.

First off let's make some likley assumptions.

1. For the 27' draft, the Rams are likley going to be picking later than 26, possibly 29th or later.

2. As a result of our first assumption, its unlikely the Rams can get a top 4 or 5 QB from that draft. Remember in 24' how the top 3 went 1,2,3. Then 3 more. QBs were taken by pick 12.

3. So if they could somehow swing a trade for a top 5 QB, it will be extremely costly in regards to draft capital. They will mortgage the top of their draft for the next several years, and maybe even sending away a good young player. Remember the haul it took to move up from 15 to 1 in a so so QB draft when the Rams got Goff.

4. So then let's project the Rams can land the 5th best QB, after trading away a lot of draft capital. That guy will likley not be a guaranteed franchise QB. He will be a guy with upside, but some risk.

So now let's look at the 26' draft assumptions.

1. Ty Simpson probably sticks around at least until pick 25, but probably goes before rd 1 ends.

2. Simpson needs to sit a year or two based on 15 starts in college.

3. Looking at Simpson's first 9 games last year, he was considered a top 10 if not a top 5 pick. He then fell off for various reasons, which is certainly a concern, but some of those reasons were legit.

4. The Rams could likley move down in rd 1 and draft Simpson, while adding additional draft capital.

So let's compare these two approaches.

Wait to 27', send multiple high picks and player or players to draft maybe the 4th or 5th best QB in that draft, which granted should be a great QB draft. This cripples several drafts in regards to having very little draft capital for a few years. Of course in this scenario you likley get a player with more tools and more upside.

In 26' you can actually add draft capital to draft a kid who at one point was looked at as a top 10 pick. Simpson's biggest red flag is that he won't be as ready on day one as a more experienced college starter. You maintain a full slate of high picks going forward, while adding an extra top 100 pick or picks. The QB you get might have a ceiling of a better version of Brock Purdy, but he has to sit a year or two before he gets on the field. Of course, he may have a better chance of being a career back up than the guy you get in 27'.

Now, there is a third option, and that is to draft a project later on in this upcoming draft. Maybe a Payton, Allar, Nussmier, Green or Klubnik. Guys with more question marks and you may have to still reach to make sure you get one since the Rams lack mid round picks.

So what approach makes more sense if you feel you need to acquire a young QB in these next two years?

Good post and layout of options.

A 4th option is hope and pray that a vet QB becomes available and then hope and pray more that we can trade for him.

 

[Ram Ts]

Step 1: win the 2027 Super Bowl
Step 2: party hard
Step 3: some more partying
Step 4: find out if Stafford is returning for 2027
Step 5: think about a future QB

 

[PhillyRam]

Good post and layout of options.

A 4th option is hope and pray that a vet QB becomes available and then hope and pray more that we can trade for him.

Was going to mention that, but that can still be an option if they draft Simpson.

However, probably not an option if they sink 3 or 4 high draft picks in a trade up for a QB in 27'. So that option has to work because you are stuck with that kid for at least 3 years.

 

[DzRams]

Was going to mention that, but that can still be an option if they draft Simpson.

However, probably not an option if they sink 3 or 4 high draft picks in a trade up for a QB in 27'. So that option has to work because you are stuck with that kid for at least 3 years.

Good point. A Simpson could be included for a vet ala Goff being included was paramount in the Stafford trade.

I'm firmly in the Simpson plan...unless the Rams don't love him.

 

[RamFan503]

I don't see Simpson as a project. He's fairly polished. I agree that Payton is a project. Needs a lot of work. Plenty of talent, though.

I can see why you say that. I just disagree. I don't think Simpson is anywhere close to taking over as a starting QB in the NFL. That doesn't say polished to me. I think he will have to work much harder to make up for physical short comings and that will take a lot of polish. I do obviously agree that Payton would be a project. But we are not really expecting any of the possibilities to play meaningful snaps for at least a year and hopefully 2. If any of them has to start this year, it means bad things for this team.

 

[Merlin]

I guess what us "pro-Simpson" folks are banking on Merlin is that respected evaluators Todd McShay and Dan Orlovsky both say Simpson's tape was QB1 worthy thru 2 Months of the season.

I was talking Simpson quite early. Probably far earlier than McShay or Orlovsky, and I'm not alone. Many of us were kicking his game around and wondering if he could keep it up. Alas.

Look it up. Obviously I don't spend as much time on film as McShay does, whose take I certainly respect. But I don't do hero worship or blind following. I think for myself. It really is far more fun. You should try it. Sometimes you'll even be correct.

 

[WestCoastRam]

If Rams take Simpson it'll be a great smokescreen.

Right now the entire league thinks the only team that wants him before 40 is ARI. (I've mentioned in the other post why Steelers are out).

 

[RamFan503]

If McVay thinks he has it upstairs, I'm fully in support.

I think most of us agree with that. Obviously that would include McVay thinking he has it physically as well. It's mostly why I don't really get very invested in these discussions. We're almost never right so we are left with belief in our brain truss. I'm not going to go all Klopfenstein WTF? if we take Simpson. Instead, I'll be curious to watch how he does and look at why McVay thinks he's that guy. We really don't have much to go on as Stetson was the only QB the Rams have drafted with McVay at the helm. I view Stetson as an overachieving gamer - not very cerebral and certainly not a physical prototype. I can only voice what would be my preferences. And you don't get much more of a layman's opinion than mine.