What will it take to make the Stafford trade worth it in your opinion?

[dieterbrock]

On a side note, I think what also needs to be factored in is the players Detroit ends up with with the 2-1st round and 3rd round pick.
The Rams win the SB and those picks all bust, its a no brainer. The Rams dont win the SB and Detroit ends up with a couple pro bowler's? That surely muddies the waters

 

[badnews]

Like a movie that's hyped up so much that it's hard to enjoy if it's not the best thing ever, that's how the talk about Stafford has been.
My expectations are extremely high. My disappointment will be too. If he's just above average and we win a lot of games but don't make it to the NFCC this year, I will be more disappointed than I was last year.

If Stafford only plays 2 pretty good seasons in LA before his body starts breaking down, and there's not a Lombardi and a whole lot of great memories to go with it, I will be extremely disappointed.

 

[NJRamsFan]

On a side note, I think what also needs to be factored in is the players Detroit ends up with with the 2-1st round and 3rd round pick.
The Rams win the SB and those picks all bust, its a no brainer. The Rams dont win the SB and Detroit ends up with a couple pro bowler's? That surely muddies the waters

I'd add that if the Rams win a Superbowl nothing else matters. I don't care who Detroit drafts in that scenario

 

[dieterbrock]

I'd add that if the Rams win a Superbowl nothing else matters. I don't care who Detroit drafts in that scenario

Well, unless John Wolford is the QB that leads them there. Lol

 

[Neil039]

I’m sure the goals are to remain healthy, keep your side piece happy, your main piece in the dark, a vasectomy while you’re healing an ankle sprain, limit concussions or have enough drugs to limit the pain and above all else keep your bank account full.

Winning, sure if it happens.

 

[PhillyRam]

I picked other - the offense has to be better, that's it for me.

However, I'm only saying that because every move a team makes when they're already good is a failure if you don't make or win the Super Bowl.

In 2017 we were statistically one of the best teams in the league even though we didn't win a playoff game - all the moves - trading for Cooks, Peters, Talib, Fowler, franchise Joyner and signing Suh - all failures because we didn't win it all.

What's especially bizarre to me is that most Rams fans seem more "WIN IT OR ITS A FAILURE" on this trade than we were the Ramsey trade - which is a trade for a CB versus a QB in this scenario. Which is especially puzzling because one of the firsts in that trade came after not even making the playoffs.

Every move we make will be looked at as a failure if we don't win it all. Only added special piece to the Stafford trade for me is that the offense must be better.

You gave up two late 1's for Ramsey and a 4th for a 25 yr old shut down CB who was the best at his position.

Here we traded a 26 yr old Goff, two 1st's, and a 3rd for a 33 yr old QB who might be the 6th or 7th best QB.

That 2nd trade was more desperate and speaks all in now.

 

[Merlin]

On a side note, I think what also needs to be factored in is the players Detroit ends up with with the 2-1st round and 3rd round pick.
The Rams win the SB and those picks all bust, its a no brainer. The Rams dont win the SB and Detroit ends up with a couple pro bowler's? That surely muddies the waters

This is true. But that aside I also have to figure the Rams would have done well with those picks. So whatever happens with the picks in Detroit I presume Snead/McVay would have hit.

So it really is about Stafford raising the bar. Reading fast, anticipating things, putting our talent in position to score. And hopefully again he'll have a good run game.

I have no probs with folks thinking if we don't win a Super Bowl with him it was a failed trade. It's a fair stance. Just not a stance I feel is necessary.

 

[jrry32]

Super Bowl or bust.

And shocker, the thread turns into another Goff hate thread.

 

[Corbin]

It doesn't have to be this year, but if we don't win a Super-Bowl with Stafford then it was a shit trade IMO. Goff brought us to a Super Bowl, so if we're upgrading from him then the upgrade needs to be able to win a Super Bowl.

and dont even mention the two first rounders gone to Detroit. It will be interesting to see if Holmes, who is very familiar with Goff sticks with him, or trades up to take a new QB in next years Draft.....
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If we got to a SB I’d be happy asf but in reality Jared brought us to a SB, I didn’t like how he played but I really fault Cooks as the main culprit for our woes. He had 2 touchdowns and another big reception in his damned hands that Jared got there. Smh

Still stifled on that loss and the revenge we could of had!

 

[oldnotdead]

Geez, Goff got them to a Super Bowl and once there McVay by his own admission got outcoached. Then McVay blows up the OL in 2019 before the guys are ready because of poor ass coaching by Kromer. When he gets his boy at QB then the OL and coaching changes that should have been made in 2020 are made now for Stafford. That is undeniable.

I'm not blind to Goff's shortcomings. But I'm also not blind to McVay doing nothing to tailor the offense to Goff's strengths as he's doing this year with Stafford. It was McVay pounding a square peg into a round hole and getting frustrated and blaming the peg. The idiot media also blamed the peg because they don't know as much about football as they proclaim.

Goff is gone now and by reports, Detroit is doing what McVay never did. That said, the reality is now McVay is happy as a kid at Christmas so all is well and good in both worlds. Why can't people simply be happy about that?

What this poll really shows is exactly what I've expressed. McVay has no more excuses. He's got a championship-caliber roster and the perfect fit at QB for his offense. He has that round peg now to fit in his round hole. No more excuses, a coach couldn't ask for a better setup leading to a Lombardi.

 

[Loyal]

Every year the goal is to win the Super Bowl regardless of what the team did the previous year or any trades/draft picks they made in the off season. Funny watching people try to walk back that expectation that they've had for years. It's also pretty funny this notion that it's bad for fans to disagree with a front office. Also something that happens every year for every team in every sport. Hell I know Dodger fans that want Andrew Friedman fired lets not act like doubting somebody who hasn't won it all yet is some heinous crime against fandom.

Of course it's the goal every year, but we are closer to that goal than ever with a more competant QB, that can "sling the freakin' pill!"

 

[Loyal]

It will be worth it to me if I can finally watch a Rams game and not expect a turnover every time the QB touches the ball. It sucks to have no faith in the QB. It almost ruins the pleasure of watching them.

I don't hate JG, but he was a liability with his lack of awareness about tucking the football and going down. Seeing a defender coming at him, it seemed like a better than average chance he was going to cough up the ball, and that freaking drove me insane on gameday.

 

[Angry Ram]

To those hanging on to the "he got to the SB" shtick...yes.

But he regressed in the years after. He can only get so many passes before acknowledging he became a liability. It's really that simple.

 

[NJRamsFan]

To those hanging on to the "he got to the SB" shtick...yes.

But he regressed in the years after. He can only get so many passes before acknowledging he became a liability. It's really that simple.

So what would you like to see from the Rams Quarterback Matthew Stafford in order to consider this trade a success?

 

[jrry32]

To those hanging on to the "he got to the SB" shtick...yes.

But he regressed in the years after. He can only get so many passes before acknowledging he became a liability. It's really that simple.

How about those of us hanging on to the "we had zero winning seasons in the 12 years before Goff and he led us to four winning seasons in five years as our QB"? I've had more than enough of people shitting on the guy. He never did a thing to disrespect this franchise as our QB. He played through injuries. He stood tall even when taking beatings. He behaved himself off the field. And he helped us win football games. The Rams made the decision to trade him. That's their right.

Regardless of the break-up, I like Goff, I appreciate what he did as our QB, and I'm tired of people spewing bullshit about him. It reminds me of how many in this fanbase treated Kurt. You can celebrate Stafford without talking bad about Goff or saying things that are patently false. I've been trying to hold my tongue after the way things blew up here following the trade. But I don't think it's too much to ask for people to not bash Goff in every Stafford thread. This thread topic asks what Stafford needs to do to make the trade worth it, not why Jared Goff is a shitty liability who prevented this team from achieving more.

Finally, I'll reiterate that Goff has been a young QB his entire time here. Inconsistent play and statistical regression are completely normal for pocket passers his age. Go look at Stafford's career. He sucked as a rookie. Made a huge leap in years two and three (but was injured for most of year two). Then, he regressed and played mediocre football the next three years. He didn't become the QB he is today with any consistency until he was 27 years old (which is normal for a pocket passer). Goff is still 26 years old.

I won't complain because the Rams didn't want to wait and see on Goff. They think their window is limited. That's fine. That's their call. But this is the reality of having a young pocket passer as your QB. I've said that for years. It is what it is. I hope we win a Super Bowl. I hope this trade works out for us. And I hope some people in this fanbase give the Goff slander a rest. The dude hasn't earned it. And a good chunk of us don't appreciate it. Now, we can get back to talking about Stafford.

 

[dieterbrock]

But that aside I also have to figure the Rams would have done well with those picks. So whatever happens with the picks in Detroit I presume Snead/McVay would have hit.

That's the point, if they dont win a SB they also dont have the 3 drafted players. If they hit in Detroit, like you said, they would have hit in LA.

 

[FarNorth]

Geez, Goff got them to a Super Bowl and once there McVay by his own admission got outcoached. Then McVay blows up the OL in 2019 before the guys are ready because of poor ass coaching by Kromer. When he gets his boy at QB then the OL and coaching changes that should have been made in 2020 are made now for Stafford. That is undeniable.

I'm not blind to Goff's shortcomings. But I'm also not blind to McVay doing nothing to tailor the offense to Goff's strengths as he's doing this year with Stafford. It was McVay pounding a square peg into a round hole and getting frustrated and blaming the peg. The idiot media also blamed the peg because they don't know as much about football as they proclaim.

Goff is gone now and by reports, Detroit is doing what McVay never did. That said, the reality is now McVay is happy as a kid at Christmas so all is well and good in both worlds. Why can't people simply be happy about that?

What this poll really shows is exactly what I've expressed. McVay has no more excuses. He's got a championship-caliber roster and the perfect fit at QB for his offense. He has that round peg now to fit in his round hole. No more excuses, a coach couldn't ask for a better setup leading to a Lombardi.

I love McVay as our coach, I'm optimistic about Stafford. But McVay has maybe unintentionally set a really high bar for himself and Stafford. Just look at our posters expecting nothing less than multiple championships. Imo it still remains to be seen whether McVay, and/or any new qb, can meet these expectations.

Typically even veteran qb's at minimum require time to adjust to a new team and players. Stafford, smartly and to his credit, has kept his head down and not joined in fueling the sky high predictions all around.

McVay himself has always been uniquely responsible for the success of the offense, given his control over personnel, scheme, and play calling. And, though no one on this board wants to hear it, imo McVay also bears his share of responsibility for the relative lack of success of the offense in the Super Bowl and over the last two years.

McVay still has to prove he can win a championship. Now it's his team, his qb, and his offense. I think he can-- but the expectations are off the charts for a team which hasn't even taken the field yet.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

To those hanging on to the "he got to the SB" shtick...yes.

But he regressed in the years after. He can only get so many passes before acknowledging he became a liability. It's really that simple.

Goff seems to get all of the credit when it comes to 2018, despite his inability to read adjustments from the defenses after McVay’s Mike cute out.

I’d wager that it was more about McVays offense and teams struggling to catch up to it defensively, coupled with a lot of time behind an Oline protecting him well. Take away both advantages and he’s just a JAG, which he’s proven.

I was very happy when the Rams picked him, but it didn’t work out. He’s not what we hoped for.

 

[Flint]

If I’m waiting for the qb to do something badass instead of waiting for him to do something dumbass.

 

[OC--LeftCoast]

Goff seems to get all of the credit when it comes to 2018, despite his inability to read adjustments from the defenses after McVay’s Mike cute out.

I’d wager that it was more about McVays offense and teams struggling to catch up to it defensively, coupled with a lot of time behind an Oline protecting him well. Take away both advantages and he’s just a JAG, which he’s proven.

I was very happy when the Rams picked him, but it didn’t work out. He’s not what we hoped for.

Goff was 24 at the time (Peyton Manning was almost 26 when a bad 5 T/O game spawned the epic Jim Mora playoffs??? rant)

Combine with McVays constant micro management I’d say he was in a less than satisfactory environment to blossom into “read the defense guy” giving he had 15 seconds to decide which off the two plays McVay called would work, oh and his interior pass pro was disastrous to say the least (not that...that would factor in to his “regression”) I expect the usual haha emoji’s from the usual suspects, lol

As I’ve said before, this year will be most telling, we’ll get to see who this guy really is, I really like what the Lions are doing and yeah, I’ll be rooting for them this year (except week 6)

To the topic, yeah all in but losing Akers is a serious blow