What scares me about Goff; Sam Bradford

[CanRamFan]

>>.but seriously how can the op say Goff is not mobile ?<<

How? Check his stats. Now if you're referring to him dancing on the head of a pin (pocket) that's one thing....but these days, just how long does that last? Once he's forced out, then what?

No I'm talking about this : (Go to 2:52)

 

[rdlkgliders]

I dont know @ramsince62 maybe you just have abnormally large hands.

Wentz 10"
Goff 9 1/8 "
Only girls care about 7/8 "

 

[Bisonbacker]

This x 1000.

...but seriously how can the op say Goff is not mobile ? Bradford was like a statue. Goff's ability to buy time and escape pressure with his feet is seriously a thing of beauty.

I think folks are probably referring moreso to his lack of ability to gain yardage when forced out of the pocket and not have any passing lanes open. He's not a mobile QB in the same way as Wentz is. See the link and his rushing stats.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jared-goff-1.html

 

[dolphinlover123]

>>.but seriously how can the op say Goff is not mobile ?<<

How? Check his stats. Now if you're referring to him dancing on the head of a pin (pocket) that's one thing....but these days, just how long does that last? Once he's forced out, then what?

I think folks are probably referring moreso to his lack of ability to gain yardage when forced out of the pocket and not have any passing lanes open. He's not a mobile QB in the same way as Wentz is. See the link and his rushing stats.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jared-goff-1.html

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I think it's pretty unfair to compare Wentz's rushing stats to Goff's rushing stats just as it is unfair to compare Goff's passing stats to Wentz's. Plus, stats can be deceiving in many ways. Goff has faced different defenses and worked with different O-lines in his career at Cal. I can remember many instances in which he used his feet to gain first down and get out of trouble. Of course I know Wentz was able to rush not just for first downs but for long yardages. I understand that it is his advantage.

But there are some nice gifs of Goff being forced out of pocket and using his feet to gain 1st downs. My point is that he isn't immobile and that he is not a lamp . Click on Goff's scouting report below.

Not sure if someone posted this yet or what. Here are scouting reports of Wentz and Goff. These are not my reports of course, but of Eric Nagel from Turf Show Times. He gets the credit.

http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2016/4/18/11427794/2016-nfl-draft-ndsu-qb-carson-wentz-scouting-report

http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2015/11/21/9744146/2016-nfl-draft-jared-goff-scouting-report

 

[jrry32]

Sam Bradford was injured in college and then hurt almost every year in the pros so far, the guys is just fragile. There is players that get hurt and then there's guys like Bradford that just cant avoid injury. He is fragile or just very unlucky, I feel bad for the guy because he has talent , its a chance you take with player in the NFL. I say go with the bigger stronger guy from a small school, Goff just reminds me too much of Bradford and Blaine Gabbert( who also came out as a touted pro style passer).

Gabbert isn't remotely similar to Goff. Goff's biggest strength was the thing that wrecked Gabbert's career.

I think folks are probably referring moreso to his lack of ability to gain yardage when forced out of the pocket and not have any passing lanes open. He's not a mobile QB in the same way as Wentz is. See the link and his rushing stats.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jared-goff-1.html

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College programs count sacks as negative rushing yards for QBs. Goff ran for a number of first downs this year when he had seams.

 

[CanRamFan]

I think folks are probably referring moreso to his lack of ability to gain yardage when forced out of the pocket and not have any passing lanes open. He's not a mobile QB in the same way as Wentz is. See the link and his rushing stats.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jared-goff-1.html

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I hear you and I agree that Wentz is the better RB when asked to do so, but I was taking issue with the OP's statement "Goff has limited mobility" and comparing him to Bradford in that sense. The way Goff moves around and buys time is outstanding (imo) which is the exact opposite of Bradford.

 

[Mackeyser]

Goff is mobile and has very good pocket presence which Sam had zero. Sam played college ball behind a monstrous Oline and never got pressured. Goff was pressured on nearly every play. He still played well despite that. That is a big big plus with him. Having great pocket awareness, being able to move in the pocket, and move the pocket, while still making plays downfield with the arm is a great ability that every team wants their QB to have in the NFL. Plus Goff took some big hits in college and didn't get a major injury.

Sure Wentz is oozing with potential but there are some unanswered questions with him. And he is not as accurate as Goff with passes.

Not as accurate doesn't mean not accurate. He's been very accurate with the game on the line. He's played in and won games that mattered, displaying strong leadership and delivering in the clutch. Shaun Hill got us plenty of yards between the 20s.

I very much want us to find that QB that not only will improve our offense, but will be clutch for us. I think that guy is Wentz.

 

[Mackeyser]

I think you are trying too hard to find a flaw to worry about.

Manning, Brady, Brees... many more...
Are these the kind of standing lamp posts you speak of?
Those are pocket passers. That's what Goff is, and I've never seen a a QB who has more bodies in his face who can continue to step back, sidestep and step up and deliver an accurate pass to his second read, pressure all around.
In that way, he does use his feet to pick up more yards....

"...never seen a QB who had more bodies who can continue to step back and deliver an accurate pass to his second read, pressure all around."

So, you weren't around to watch Warner? You've never watched Brees? You've never watched Dan Fouts or Dan Marino? I could go on.

Mkay.

All this hyperbole is getting me salty. C'mon. It's possible to talk about a PROSPECT and not have to enshrine him in the Hall of Fame to make the case for him.

Both prospects are imperfect young men with tremendous promise. As much as we might want to advocate (I know I do), it's just false to put either prospect on a ridiculously high pedestal. Makes having rational conversations impossible, is what I'm saying.

 

[RaminExile]

No - not worried. He could be what Bradford should have been. Vradford was ruined by coaching changes, injuries, terrible talent on offense, a new offense every year, being coached to get rid off the ball within two seconds every single play with a damn whistle going off if he didn't etc...

Goff has got better pocket prescence and natural mobility instincts. You get a second chance with him - he's not been hurt in the same way.

 

[RAMbling818]

Here's a link to Goff's game against ASU. I think this film really shows off his footwork and even displays his ability to pick up some yards with his feet when needed. Goff is far from a statue.

http://draftbreakdown.com/video/jared-goff-vs-arizona-state-2015/

 

[badnews]

"...never seen a QB who had more bodies who can continue to step back and deliver an accurate pass to his second read, pressure all around."

So, you weren't around to watch Warner? You've never watched Brees? You've never watched Dan Fouts or Dan Marino? I could go on.

Mkay.

All this hyperbole is getting me salty. C'mon. It's possible to talk about a PROSPECT and not have to enshrine him in the Hall of Fame to make the case for him.

Both prospects are imperfect young men with tremendous promise. As much as we might want to advocate (I know I do), it's just false to put either prospect on a ridiculously high pedestal. Makes having rational conversations impossible, is what I'm saying.

Jesus, easy man. It was a mistake. I just typed that in a hurry while shuffling through an airport on 2 hours sleep. I apparently didn't finish that thought as I typed it.
But go easy...I barely post anymore.
I was meaning that "I have never seen" a QB DRAFT PROSPECT*(should have clarified) with his set of skills NOT SUCCEED* as an NFL passer.
All the great QBs you mentioned had those same skills, that was my point, as badly as it was communicated.
Not that Goff was the best I've seen at it.
No, I DON'T THINK he's the best ever at anything. I think he will be a good NFL QB because of those attributes.
I think Wentz will too, for his own skills.
I prefer Goff because I think he has those talents that all the best pocket passers have and will continue to grow physically and as an NFL QB.
I think there are some questions about both. You never know. It's possible both Wentz and Goff go bust, but I doubt it.

 

[LesBaker]

Sam Bradford was injured in college and then hurt almost every year in the pros so far, the guys is just fragile. There is players that get hurt and then there's guys like Bradford that just cant avoid injury. He is fragile or just very unlucky, I feel bad for the guy because he has talent , its a chance you take with player in the NFL. I say go with the bigger stronger guy from a small school, Goff just reminds me too much of Bradford and Blaine Gabbert( who also came out as a touted pro style passer).

Goff and Bradford have almost nothing in common.........what do you see there?

 

[ramsince62]

No I'm talking about this : (Go to 2:52)

Yup, they all look like Hall of Famer(s) on highlight films.....btw, ever wonder why we don't see more (any) negative ones?

 

[Mackeyser]

Jesus, easy man. It was a mistake. I just typed that in a hurry while shuffling through an airport on 2 hours sleep. I apparently didn't finish that thought as I typed it.
But go easy...I barely post anymore.
I was meaning that "I have never seen" a QB DRAFT PROSPECT*(should have clarified) with his set of skills NOT SUCCEED* as an NFL passer.
All the great QBs you mentioned had those same skills, that was my point, as badly as it was communicated.
Not that Goff was the best I've seen at it.
No, I DON'T THINK he's the best ever at anything. I think he will be a good NFL QB because of those attributes.
I think Wentz will too, for his own skills.
I prefer Goff because I think he has those talents that all the best pocket passers have and will continue to grow physically and as an NFL QB.
I think there are some questions about both. You never know. It's possible both Wentz and Goff go bust, but I doubt it.

That's cool. Get some sleep, man!

I just remember the Suh/Bradford debates and they just...escalated...unnecessarily imho.

I'm just trying to help maintain a rational discussion. Not so easy when I think about half of us feel like Cookie Monster having to wait to eat cookies...

 

[CGI_Ram]

Here's a link to Goff's game against ASU. I think this film really shows off his footwork and even displays his ability to pick up some yards with his feet when needed. Goff is far from a statue.

http://draftbreakdown.com/video/jared-goff-vs-arizona-state-2015/

He's got amazing feet. Amazing.

 

[kurtfaulk]

Namely, not sure what separates him from Brock Jensen who won 3 NC while Wentz was on the bench, and had significantly higher TD production. Meanwhile, Jensen cant get a cup of coffee in the CFL and Wentz is potentially the #1 overall?

projections, man, projections.

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[Mackeyser]

Goff and Bradford have almost nothing in common.........what do you see there?

Their demeanor, mostly. And honestly, after Bradford it's off putting. Wentz maintains direct eye contact more often and has a more direct personality.

This offense needs a vocal leader as much as they need someone who can hit a slant pass.

 

[-X-]

He's got amazing feet. Amazing.

Thank you Rex Ryan.

 

[CGI_Ram]

Thank you Rex Ryan.