What I said to my wife about that BS unsportsmanlike penalty call on Fowler

[Rainram]

This team can use that BYE week right about now.

 

[Merlin]

One thing that concerned me with the trade for Fowler is that he is coming from a very undisciplined, dissension filled team in Jacksonville. I hope he gets it out of his system fast. He seems to be rubbing off on Aaron.

Agreed. And it's not just Fowler who is an undisciplined add to this defense btw. The second round pick we gave up for Peters is going to be painful if he doesn't reign himself in. He played pretty well yesterday, granted, but when Sheattle ran the damn ball on almost all their snaps it's hard to gauge.

It's entirely possible our season ends one and done in the playoffs due to this defense. And if that happens we're sitting there with a decision to make on a couple knuckleheads and not a lot of draft picks to refresh the roster. And this roster desperately needs some good young talent that will take coaching, because THAT is how you take advantage of a great defensive staff. Not by loading in problem types with high talent levels who come available for a reason.

Look at the offense. Carefully selected team-first guys. Then look at the defense. Yeah. Les better get busy this offseason and right some wrongs, because if he doesn't this team's window might look like a whole lot of playoff appearances and quick exits due to a defense that can't hold its water.

 

[EastRam]

What the NFL needs is a
John Madden in the booth.

An announcer that will flat say what they think of a call or calls.

Madden marched to his own drummer and didn't care what the networks said.

Although today's booth announcers will mention a call is bad or should have gone the other way in their comments. They just won't go BOOM that call was terrible and the NFL needs to get this shit corrected.

It's clearly marching orders from the NFL and the networks that are scared of pissing off the NFL.

Maybe Romo will grow some and start beating a drum.

 

[RamsSince1969]

What I said to my wife about that BS unsportsmanlike penalty call on Fowler

Get me a beer? Bring me some nachos?

And samich! Mayonnaise on the top slice, mustard on the bottom slice and I can tell the difference so don't screw it up!

 

[Karate61]

Agreed. And it's not just Fowler who is an undisciplined add to this defense btw. The second round pick we gave up for Peters is going to be painful if he doesn't reign himself in. He played pretty well yesterday, granted, but when Sheattle ran the damn ball on almost all their snaps it's hard to gauge.

It's entirely possible our season ends one and done in the playoffs due to this defense. And if that happens we're sitting there with a decision to make on a couple knuckleheads and not a lot of draft picks to refresh this defense. And this defense desperately needs some good young talent that will take coaching, because THAT is how you take advantage of a great defensive staff. Not by loading in problem types with high talent levels who come available for a reason.

Look at the offense. Carefully selected team-first guys. Then look at the defense. Yeah. Les better get busy this offseason and right some wrongs, because if he doesn't this team's window might look like a whole lot of playoff appearances and quick exits due to a defense that can't hold its water.

Yeah, I just think "everything" you wrote there is just way to far to the negative. Can the Chiefs, Patriots, etc. all say the same things about their defense? That their team is just gonna be one and done in the playoffs every year?

Look at the top 5 defensive teams this season: Bills, Ravens, Jaguars, Bears & Vikings. How deep in the playoffs are those teams going? Shit, the number one defense is the lowly Bills.

Look at the top 4 teams in the league: Saints, Rams, Chiefs & Patriots. All of those team defenses are ranked between 23-29; except the Rams which are ranked 13th.

In today's NFL, defense is overrated. It's all about offense and who can move the ball and score. So, to say the Rams defense is such crap that they're crap, I don't buy that at all.

 

[Prime Time]

Just because you "walk away" doesn't give you free reign to say whatever you want before you turn.

Fowler should have put his words in blue font.

Fowler said he didn't use any swear words or anything derogatory, and that the word of content was "terrible". He said he told the ref that was a terrible call.

If that's true then the Rams need to take it to the league office
But I'm sure more was said

Call in a lip reader.

 

[Malibu]

The late hit on Wilson I don't believe, deserved a penalty because, if I am correct, the foul is in reference to diving at the QBs knees. He fell on the ground next to Wilson and the grabbed his legs from what I saw. But the refs are going to call what they see and I don't know what angle the ref who threw the flag was standing. Possibly he was blocked partially by Wilson and didn't see the whole play. I wish those were review-able. Keep in mind that player safety is of the utmost importance and will be called a foul unless it clearly wasn't.

Any reference to the official personally or accusation of cheating is a foul and has no part in the game. I don't care what happens in basketball. Respect the game and it's rules Mr. Fowler.

I completely disagree about the diving at the feet of Wilson penalty. Each of these type of calls needs to be discretionary at the most. That was not late nor intentional. There was a late hit earlier in the season on a QB and it looked like the player was pushed into him at the end of the play again this should be up to the ref unlike the Suh hit which was late and avoidable.

 

[RamsOfCastamere]

Until something happens in the locker room, I won't believe that there are personality issues on the defense.

Look at how the D line interacts with each other, they have a bond and chemistry. The same can be said with the secondary. Peters has taken chances but he didn't get beat yesterday. He hasnt pointed fingers and says he'll play better so lets see going forward. Cory Littleton has heart and is a great guy.

I think the problem with our defense is that they're a bit undersized on all three levels and are more finesse than power, so we get pushed around every now then (more now than then lately lol). We're a bend don't break defense looking for the big play that gives the offense an extra possession.

 

[Merlin]

Yeah, I just think "everything" you wrote there is just way to far to the negative. Can the Chiefs, Patriots, etc. all say the same things about their defense? That their team is just gonna be one and done in the playoffs every year?

Look at the top 5 defensive teams this season: Bills, Ravens, Jaguars, Bears & Vikings. How deep in the playoffs are those teams going? crap, the number one defense is the lowly Bills.

Look at the top 4 teams in the league: Saints, Rams, Chiefs & Patriots. All of those team defenses are ranked between 23-29; except the Rams which are ranked 13th.

In today's NFL, defense is overrated. It's all about offense and who can move the ball and score. So, to say the Rams defense is such crap that they're crap, I don't buy that at all.

I'm not worried about the other teams tbh. I'm only concerned with the Rams. Also where did I say the Rams defense is such crap that they're crap? I simply pointed out that they've made some risky personnel additions on defense and if they don't work out this year, i.e. if we get eliminated quickly in the playoffs, Les is going to need to right the wrongs.

Rams need to invest draft capital in their defense. Just my opinion man. This league goes round and round and the defenses will adjust to this new zebra approach of allowing offensive holding. Balance and being able to make stops of your opponent when you need to is always going to be important. And defense is always going to be more important come the playoffs because you have to win 3+ games vs top opponents, and you can't always count on blowing them out. Look at our '99 Rams, one of the greatest offenses in history and while we blew out the Vikings it was a good damn thing we had the third ranked defense when we met the Bucs.

 

[1maGoh]

Well bro... I can't say the officials did great this game, because they didn't

But we don't know what Fowler said.

I feel like everyone should be forced to ref a rec league basketball season. Will give you an entirely different perspective on being an official.

I applied for a volunteer position. They wouldn't accept me because I have 20/20 vision and I can read.

 

[Karate61]

I'm not worried about the other teams tbh. I'm only concerned with the Rams. Also where did I say the Rams defense is such crap that they're crap? I simply pointed out that they've made some risky personnel additions on defense and if they don't work out this year, i.e. if we get eliminated quickly in the playoffs, Les is going to need to right the wrongs.

Rams need to invest draft capital in their defense. Just my opinion man. This league goes round and round and the defenses will adjust to this new zebra approach of allowing offensive holding. Balance and being able to make stops of your opponent when you need to is always going to be important. And defense is always going to be more important come the playoffs because you have to win 3+ games vs top opponents, and you can't always count on blowing them out. Look at our '99 Rams, one of the greatest offenses in history and while we blew out the Vikings it was a good damn thing we had the third ranked defense when we met the Bucs.

You didn't say it. I inferred it from the annual one and done comment you made. I definitely do not mean to put words in your mouth.

I would totally agree with you on everything, if we were chatting 20 years ago.

NFL is different today, in many ways. And one of them is that "defense wins championships" is no longer true.

Let's look at total yards of the two teams in the last Super Bowl:

Philly: 538
Pats: 613

That's 1,151 total yards. Where's the defense?

Weren't the Eagles known for their bad ass defense and they dropped 613? Oh, and they won!

My point is, is there is a pattern emerging. Defense is not the name of the game.

So, I don't think you need to be "as" concerned about a below average defense as you seem to be. Key to championships seem to roll right through high octane offense. Rams have that right now!

 

[Mister Sin]

I wanna go on record to say I called my shot in the gameday thread! Lol was so glad to see him show his potential there.

 

[Ramer]

Does anyone have that clip when Fowler was jawing to the Ref?

Fowler was walking away and the ref was following him for a few steps then threw the flag. The Ref should have walked away when Fowler walked away. You don't throw that flag in that situation.

Total BS

Fowler told him he seen this thong

 

[jrry32]

You should try minor hockey. Or even baseball. My worst experience as an amateur umpire came when I did a T-ball game. Yes, t-ball. I called my supervisor after the game and told him to never, ever, schedule me at that level again.

It's also possible that this was not the first "conversation" Fowler had with that particular ref. Or really, any ref. It's entirely possible that he was warned beforehand, that the next time he opened his mouth he was going to get called. If that happened, it really doesn't matter what he said, or that he was walking way - he was told not to say anything, and he said something. Pretty much an automatic flag.

Of course that's all hypothetical, we don't know if he was warned or not, but it is a possibility.

NFL refs receive great salaries and benefits. They can suck it up and deal with a little backtalk when they're blowing calls. I agree that they have every right to flag a guy making threats or acting threateningly (like getting in their face). But flagging a guy for complaining too much is ridiculous. They're getting paid more than enough to put up with it, and the guy is limited in his ability to complain by the game of football he's playing.

Like I said try refereeing any adult men's rec league (choose any sport) for a season - your perspective on this might change.

If you just let the players yell on and on at the Refs with no penalty your game will break into a riot.

I've seen it from age 8 to 50.

These aren't men's rec leagues. This is the NFL. The refs are getting paid six figures with great benefits. They can suck it up and take a little criticism when they're blowing calls.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

NFL refs receive great salaries and benefits. They can suck it up and deal with a little backtalk when they're blowing calls. I agree that they have every right to flag a guy making threats or acting threateningly (like getting in their face). But flagging a guy for complaining too much is ridiculous. They're getting paid more than enough to put up with it, and the guy is limited in his ability to complain by the game of football he's playing.



These aren't men's rec leagues. This is the NFL. The refs are getting paid six figures with great benefits. They can suck it up and take a little criticism when they're blowing calls.

The average referee makes $189,000 annually. I agree with you. If they are doing a sucky job they shouldn't be so thin skinned about it.

 

[jrry32]

By the way, it's easy to understand the anger of our DLs when shit like this is happening:

Watch Seattle's RT on their first TD. Franklin-Myers embarrasses him with a speed-to-power rush, and the RT tackles him when JFM is about to sack Wilson.

Here's Samson getting tackled by the neck by the same RT.

It's amazing what the refs were letting go.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Right if I was a a d-lineman I'd certainly be frustrated - I probably would get a 15 yarder myself.

That being said I'm pretty sure we got called for no holding calls and they were called for one holding.

I saw the Rams complaining about being held more than I saw Sheattle complaining. I am sure the Rams are doing some holding. Since it is not being called, they should be. However holding on running plays is still being called. That is likely why the Rams Dline were frustrated. Every time Wilson dropped back to pass, but then decided to run, the refs weren't calling the holding. So, did they not consider Wilson's improvising a running play, because it started as a pass?

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

By the way, it's easy to understand the anger of our DLs when crap like this is happening:

Watch Seattle's RT on their first TD. Franklin-Myers embarrasses him with a speed-to-power rush, and the RT tackles him when JFM is about to sack Wilson.

Here's Samson getting tackled by the neck by the same RT.

It's amazing what the refs were letting go.

It doesn't get much more blatant than that.

 

[Steve808]

I try to watch games objectively without "Rams" glasses on, but I don't see Goff throwing TD passes with an opposing D lineman getting his jersey stretched because someone is holding. I don't see Goff throwing TD passes with a D lineman the on the other team getting tackled or a hands to the face.

In the New Orleans game with the Rams down 38-35, the last play before we punted, it was a short gain to Cooper Kupp. He got clearly face masked and no call. Now did that cost us the game? No, but that drive would have continued and we had a lost opportunity because the refs missed an easy and obvious call.

If the bad calls were at least equal, I'd be okay but it sure seems like the refs are out to get us this season. Thankfully our team is good enough to to win with bad calls. Under Fisher, we would be 4-6 this season, although the playoff picture would have us "in the hunt" because we are not mathematically eliminated.

I know bad calls happen, but come on man, at least make some bad one in our favor for a change.