Waldron

[blackbart]

There is a big difference in letting Everett walk because you don’t want him on the roster and not trying to match offers on players you’d like to keep like JJ because someone else gave them a huge payday.

Everett wasn’t good enough to resign, JJ was too good to resign.

 

[Allen2McVay]

There is a big difference in letting Everett walk because you don’t want him on the roster and not trying to match offers on players you’d like to keep like JJ because someone else gave them a huge payday.

Everett wasn’t good enough to resign, JJ was too good to resign.

John Johnson's 2021 cap hit is only $3.65M. I wish he was still with the Rams.

I like Fuller, Rapp and Burgess; and have my fingers crossed. However, Johnson was a favorite. After Donald and Ramsey, I thought Johnson and Floyd were the best players on the Defense.

I should add that this time last off-season, I was lamenting the loss of Cory Littleton. Hope I am wrong again.

 

[oldnotdead]

After watching Brian Schottenheimer first hand even in San Diego he's a fraud. He basically stole his brother's offense. It's why they were always running around looking like they didn't know what they were doing. His offense was very "sandlotish" even though he has a penchant to overcoach.

Waldron is probably going to be a step up because at least he had 3 years of seeing how McVay creates his offense. I'm not surprised that the SeaHawks think his offense is intricate considering what I know of Brian Schottenheimer, who said more than once that Cleo Lemon had everything you want in a good starting NFL QB. He said that when advocating for Lemon over Brees. Schottenheimer's offense is basically for receivers to go down to that car and turn around. When your best plays come off of busted plays and mistakes by the defense that says volumes about Brian's offense, which is why Russell advocated for a change.

Will Waldron become a good OC? Who knows, but IMO he's going to be better than Schottenheimer.

 

[den-the-coach]

I’m not sold either way on Morris.
As an aside.....Gregg Williams was the DC when Donald was drafted.

Fair enough, Atlanta was a disaster, I've been impressed so far, let's hope that carries over onto the field. Look at it this way, if Morris can be successful IMO, he'll get another shot as a Head Coach, if not, he'll be an Assistant HC/Secondary Coach for the rest of his careeer.

 

[den-the-coach]

Will Waldron become a good OC? Who knows, but IMO he's going to be better than Schottenheimer.

Well, that's like posting will the Toyota be better than our Rolls-Canardly....the car that rolls down one hill and can hardly make up the next.

 

[fearsomefour]

Fair enough, Atlanta was a disaster, I've been impressed so far, let's hope that carries over onto the field. Look at it this way, if Morris can be successful IMO, he'll get another shot as a Head Coach, if not, he'll be an Assistant HC/Secondary Coach for the rest of his careeer.

I have nothing against Morris at all.
I was just so impressed with Staley and the job he did with the roster.
Very bummed we only got one year with him.

 

[den-the-coach]

I have nothing against Morris at all.
I was just so impressed with Staley and the job he did with the roster.
Very bummed we only got one year with him.

I agree and amazed Staley was hired after one year, where others like Robert Saleh had to wait and Brian Daboll is still not a Head Coach.

 

[Merlin]

Could be right.
Hope you are.
Adjusting at half time etc is huge.
Staley was amazing at that.
Now that he is a HC Staley may not be as effective.
Things can change.
I’m not sold either way on Morris.
As an aside.....Gregg Williams was the DC when Donald was drafted.

I do have some concerns with Morris fearsome so I'm tracking here with you. He's not a guy like Staley whose edge is in the schematics of the defense. He's a guy whose edge is in getting everyone playing balls out to the whistle.

And I will give him that you can be simpler on defense when you have 11 guys hustling to the ball with very low loaf rates. His wheelhouse is going to be the standard cover 3 and cover 2 type approaches depending on situation, so I am interested in to what extent he can pick up the approach Staley used and run with it. The Atlanta defense was garbage and that's a lot of my concerns too but I'll also give him that the unit picked things up when he took charge.

So no idea what to expect here other than to say we have excellent defensive talent which gives a DC a lot of room for error. I think worst case we drop to 10th or so in scoring which still--in combination with what our offense should do--should lead to a hell of a season. But yes I am hopeful we retain that top production.

The guy is a great leader that's for damn sure. He knows how to cut right through the BS and get to the important shit. So if I had to guess I'd say he does a pretty good job just based on that. It's a concern but at the same time I've sort of convinced myself it's going to work out because of that leadership. Got my fingers crossed here too.

 

[Merlin]

John Johnson's 2021 cap hit is only $3.65M. I wish he was still with the Rams.

I like Fuller, Rapp and Burgess; and have my fingers crossed. However, Johnson was a favorite. After Donald and Ramsey, I thought Johnson and Floyd were the best players on the Defense.

I should add that this time last off-season, I was lamenting the loss of Cory Littleton. Hope I am wrong again.

Honestly I don't know where Rapp fits. He's a classic SS type who can actually cover better than people think as long as it's in man. But put him in zone with some rules to follow on route combos and he isn't quite the same guy. He seems smart though so no reason to think he can't pick things up if he's been working hard to know the scheme and all that. And also there's some unknowns with a new DC coming in, in terms of we know some changes and tweaks in the scheme are coming.

Fuller and Burgess both had a lot of college tape in split looks with both of them showing what Staley needed on the back end. So if we're going to be running a ton of quarters again (which I hope is the case) they have a distinct advantage in terms of experience in winning those roles. Fuller of course is automatic given how he played last year.

The unknown with Burgess was the slot role. But if Long is coming into his own now that's a huge development which allows for Burgess to be in that safety mix which means more competition and that's good for us. Just guessing here but I suspect he will be gunning for the role opposite Fuller.

Scott is kind of like Rapp where I'm not sure how they're going to fit him in. But there were reports last year in camp that he was pulling in INTs and shit so we might be 4 deep at safety which is kind of crazy.

Lastly re: safeties they're a weird position. You can get a ton of these types in every draft well into each draft too. And so much of it seems to be coaching. So wrt Johnson as good as he was does it make sense to prioritize and pay that position? Not for me. I wish Johnson well but am glad we didn't try to fit him in, and I think the team will be better off for that decision in 2021.

 

[TexasRam]

Wilson is an off the script QB. He is maybe the best there, but he truly sucks at designed plays within the framework of an NFL offense.

I don't think an OC does much for Wilson one way or the other. Unless said OC is an expert at off schedule plays, which Waldron is not.

Square peg, round hole. Not exactly shaking in my boots over here.

 

[CGI_Ram]

Russell Wilson on new Seahawks offensive coordinator Shane Waldron's offense: 'It's super complex'

Wilson is impressed with Waldron's tempo as well

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Russell Wilson on new Seahawks offensive coordinator Shane Waldron's offense: 'It's super complex'​

For the first time since 2017, the Seattle Seahawks have a new offensive coordinator. Brian Schottenheimer and the organization parted ways earlier this offseason, after which Pete Carroll brought in former Los Angeles Rams pass game coordinator Shane Waldron to run the offense.

Waldron figures to bring much of his Sean McVay-style playbook with him to Seattle, giving the Seahawks a focus on zone runs and bootleg concepts that allow Russell Wilson to use his mobility and accuracy outside the pocket. So far in minicamp, Wilson likes what he sees of Waldron's system.

"It's super complex," Wilson said Thursday, per The News Tribune. "We are going to be able to move people around. We are going to do everything that we want to... I really believe in him."

The biggest change Wilson sees so far is not schematic, but related to pace.

"We have some nuances across the board that really challenge the defense, using the whole field and really expanding the offense," Wilson said. "Just using everybody as much as possible, in all different formations and different looks and different tempos."

Under Schottenheimer and former offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell, the Seahawks were routinely one of the slower-paced offenses in the NFL. According to Football Outsiders, the Seahawks averaged more seconds per snap in neutral situations than the Rams in each of the four years Waldron was in L.A. Seattle was in the bottom half of the league in each of Schottenheimer's three seasons, while the Rams were in the top 10 every year but one.

2017 30.02* 27.90 12* 1
2018 31.16 29.05 18 3
2019 31.79 28.30 24 3
2020 30.68 29.80 22 12

According to Wilson, Waldron isn't just importing McVay's playbook. He's bringing concepts from each of his previous stops and marrying them all together, while making sure to keep the tempo going.

"We'll have a great mixture of everything," Wilson said. "The good thing is, we can do it all. Shane brings a great versatility. Something that I love about him is he really understands the game in all aspects of it, situationally. He's been at a lot of different places, a lot of successful places. With Shane, being with the Rams, being with the [Washington Football Team], being with the Patriots, he brings a lot of perspective."

We hear this kind of thing from teams just about every offseason. Everybody wants to be creative and multiple and fast-paced over the summer. Far fewer teams actually commit to it come the fall. We'll find out whether or not the Seahawks are one of them when September rolls around.

 

[CGI_Ram]

How Shane Waldron's Seahawks offense could be great for Russell Wilson

Whatever the schism was between the Seahawks and Russell Wilson this offseason — and Wilson did his level best to minimize the issues in a minicamp press conference this week — things a…

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How Shane Waldron's Seahawks offense could be great for Russell Wilson​

Whatever the schism was between the Seahawks and Russell Wilson this offseason — and Wilson did his level best to minimize the issues in a minicamp press conference this week — things appear to be back on track for the franchise and its franchise quarterback.

Wilson has long wanted to have more of a hand in play-calling and personnel, and based on his body of work, one could say that he’s earned it. Whether that has actually happened or not, Wilson seemed especially happy with the schemes installed by new offensive coordinator Shane Waldron.

“It’s super complex,” Wilson said Thursday, per Gregg Bell of the Tacoma News Tribune.

“We are going to be able to move people around. We are going to do everything that we want to… I really believe in him.”

What are the new wrinkles? Apparently, the Seahawks’ new passing game is less static and more expansive.

“We have some nuances across the board that really challenge the defense, using the whole field and really expanding the offense,” Wilson said. “Just using everybody as much as possible, in all different formations and different looks and different tempos.”

Up-tempo is something Wilson has wanted his team to implement more often, as he intimated after the 30-20 wild-card playoff loss to the Rams that ended Seattle’s 2020 season.

“I think that we started running it really well for a little bit there, and so I think that was part of it,” Wilson said back then. “And the games just — I think for us we were able to — early in the season we were able to get the deep shots and stuff like that early on. I think that as well as — I think our tempo, our pace and stuff, getting in and out and all that, we kind of lost that a little bit I think along the way.

“I think that’s something that we do really, really well, and so to keep that tempo and pace I think is something that’s — I’m going to really try to study a lot this offseason and see how do we continue to put our foot on the gas and everything else along the way. I think that’ll help us a little bit.”

Waldron, who was the passing game coordinator for Sean McVay’s Rams last season, could be ready to give Wilson more no-huddle and more pre-snap motion. Last season, per Sports Info Solutions, only Daniel Jones of the Giants and Kyler Murray of the Cardinals had more no-huddle dropbacks than Los Angeles’ Jared Goff (148), and while Goff didn’t do too well with it (94 completions in 144 attempts for 1,092 yards, 507 air yards, three touchdowns, and four interceptions), that’s more an indictment of Goff than anything about a more hurried passing game. Wilson had just 39 no-huddle dropbacks last season, but he completed 20 of 32 passes for 247 yards, 175 air yards, two touchdowns, and no interceptions.

As for the benefit of pre-snap motion, Wilson did have a lot of that to work with under former offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer in 2020, and he was pretty good with it, completing 206 passes on 298 attempts in 355 dropbacks for 2,310 yards, 1,219 air yards, 17 touchdowns, and five interceptions. And the shot plays off of pre-snap motion were certainly in evidence. On throws of 20 or more air yards with motion last season, Wilson completed 16 of 36 passes for 593 yards, 529 air yards, six touchdowns, and two interceptions.

Bell also points out in his piece that Wilson was particularly good against single-high coverage when defenses couldn’t just hang two safeties back and defend the run, and the numbers bear that out — against Cover-1 and Cover-3 last season, Wilson completed 193 of 284 passes for 2,356 yards, 1,444 air yards, 23 touchdowns, and four interceptions. Against Cover-2, 2-Man, Cover-4, and Cover-6, Wilson completed 135 of 211 passes for 1,550 yards, 1,007 air yards, 11 touchdowns, and four interceptions. So, as Wilson has been saying for a while, a varied approach to the offense would provide greater dividends.

Seahawks fans have long wanted Pete Carroll and his staff to “Let Russ Cook,” and perhaps Waldron is the ideal guy to make that happen.

 

[dieterbrock]

Waldron couldnt even land the OC job at Kentucky, when they hired his own assistant (Liam Coen) over him. Teams jump at the chance to grab guys off McVay's staff but Waldron couldnt get a gig. This hire reads to me that Carroll wants a little insight on how the Rams do it, so it can be relayed to the defense, much more than how they're going to change the offense.
Like @TexasRam said, Wilson is at his best when he escapes contain and launches downfield. Maybe they try to go a little up tempo? That would be about the only "change" I could see coming of this

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I think Waldron's a marginal coach and play designer at best. But he should help Seattle marry the run and pass which will boost that offense and make it more dangerous. Wilson's a stud. We all know that. Now he'll have more of that balance at least in the approach and scheming side to tie it all together which is effectively an upgrade over Schotty's sorry ass.

And btw the bigger issue at hand is the personnel side. I don't think they have the horses on the OL to field a top unit. And I don't think they have the roster on defense either. But it's not like I nuke their roster or anything so maybe this change makes them a problem for us. We'll see.

They have a good Tackle and the guard drafted in 2020 played well. It only takes two very good anchors and then some decent players between to solidify an Oline

 

[snackdaddy]

I dunno. There are a number of seahag fans that think Carroll hired him to be his yes man. Carroll still calls the shots there.

 

[Merlin]

They have a good Tackle and the guard drafted in 2020 played well. It only takes two very good anchors and then some decent players between to solidify an Oline

True. But beyond that you need to align strengths to counter division opponents. I think Carroll has taken advantage of Wilson's escapability to invest in other position groups and it has benefitted us head to head.

Also his OC hires have been poor. But for myself at least I see a disparity up front that has held them back.

He has built quite a nice WR corps now but the Rams favored a DL reload, knowing the value of the run game. How will that play out? If the Rams' DL continues to dominate them up front not well for Seattle.

And btw it seems to me that the Rams moves/draft were intended to match up better vs SF moreso than Seattle. They definitely got a lot more physical up front I just wonder how long it will take for it to come together.

 

[blackbart]

John Johnson's 2021 cap hit is only $3.65M. I wish he was still with the Rams.

I like Fuller, Rapp and Burgess; and have my fingers crossed. However, Johnson was a favorite. After Donald and Ramsey, I thought Johnson and Floyd were the best players on the Defense.

I should add that this time last off-season, I was lamenting the loss of Cory Littleton. Hope I am wrong again.

That was a tough loss of a homegrown guy but free agency sets up the ridiculous money pro sports brings and pays.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

True. But beyond that you need to align strengths to counter division opponents. I think Carroll has taken advantage of Wilson's escapability to invest in other position groups and it has benefitted us head to head.

Also his OC hires have been poor. But for myself at least I see a disparity up front that has held them back.

He has built quite a nice WR corps now but the Rams favored a DL reload, knowing the value of the run game. How will that play out? If the Rams' DL continues to dominate them up front not well for Seattle.

And btw it seems to me that the Rams moves/draft were intended to match up better vs SF moreso than Seattle. They definitely got a lot more physical up front I just wonder how long it will take for it to come together.

I think part of the Seahawks Oline woes are on Wilson.