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The hypothesis is that Mars once lived as the Earth now lives, and that it was once the home of an indigenous humanoid intelligence.

This paper is suggesting it was destroyed by nuclear war?
Yeah apparently. What he was saying is the residue they found there was proof of nukes exploded on the surface. Two nukes of massive size judging from the Xenon 129 distribution.

Now personally I doubt there were any significant types of life on Mars at that time, because there would be more proof on the surface of former civilization I would think. Brandenburg theorizes that a rudimentary society was destroyed by aliens basically, and that the event contributed to current Mars as a dead planet. Which of course is a big leap in terms of assumptions. He didn't need to assume for example that there were civilizations on Mars, maybe an alien ship flying by Mars all those millions of years ago sees just plant life on the planet and decide to nuke it to avoid competition in the future.

I mean we all wonder if alien life is hostile. Some wonder if alien life exists but I have zero doubt of that, in fact I believe it's ignorant and downright unlikely to think we're the only form of life or even the only species to develop higher intelligence. I am of the mind that our galaxy simply functions as a larger ecosystem for evolved higher intellects. Only question is which of those higher functioning species intersect in time. Time's the problem because there's so much of it that it's like astronomical distances, where species can be isolated by it.

Here's a recent take that runs with NASAs assertion that Xenon 129 could be naturally occurring. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but this whole thing sort of aligns with this thought I have that there are people in govt who know a lot more than we do about our galactic neighborhood and that maybe they see said neighborhood as very dangerous, and feel like it's not conducive to anything positive to let people know everything.
 

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Yeah apparently. What he was saying is the residue they found there was proof of nukes exploded on the surface. Two nukes of massive size judging from the Xenon 129 distribution.

Now personally I doubt there were any significant types of life on Mars at that time, because there would be more proof on the surface of former civilization I would think. Brandenburg theorizes that a rudimentary society was destroyed by aliens basically, and that the event contributed to current Mars as a dead planet. Which of course is a big leap in terms of assumptions. He didn't need to assume for example that there were civilizations on Mars, maybe an alien ship flying by Mars all those millions of years ago sees just plant life on the planet and decide to nuke it to avoid competition in the future.

I mean we all wonder if alien life is hostile. Some wonder if alien life exists but I have zero doubt of that, in fact I believe it's ignorant and downright unlikely to think we're the only form of life or even the only species to develop higher intelligence. I am of the mind that our galaxy simply functions as a larger ecosystem for evolved higher intellects. Only question is which of those higher functioning species intersect in time. Time's the problem because there's so much of it that it's like astronomical distances, where species can be isolated by it.

Here's a recent take that runs with NASAs assertion that Xenon 129 could be naturally occurring. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but this whole thing sort of aligns with this thought I have that there are people in govt who know a lot more than we do about our galactic neighborhood and that maybe they see said neighborhood as very dangerous, and feel like it's not conducive to anything positive to let people know everything.
Have we already talked in this thread about the former Israeli space/science/whatever chief who said we're actively writing with aliens right now? Because that's a thing that happened.
 

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Yeah apparently. What he was saying is the residue they found there was proof of nukes exploded on the surface. Two nukes of massive size judging from the Xenon 129 distribution.

Now personally I doubt there were any significant types of life on Mars at that time, because there would be more proof on the surface of former civilization I would think. Brandenburg theorizes that a rudimentary society was destroyed by aliens basically, and that the event contributed to current Mars as a dead planet. Which of course is a big leap in terms of assumptions. He didn't need to assume for example that there were civilizations on Mars, maybe an alien ship flying by Mars all those millions of years ago sees just plant life on the planet and decide to nuke it to avoid competition in the future.

I mean we all wonder if alien life is hostile. Some wonder if alien life exists but I have zero doubt of that, in fact I believe it's ignorant and downright unlikely to think we're the only form of life or even the only species to develop higher intelligence. I am of the mind that our galaxy simply functions as a larger ecosystem for evolved higher intellects. Only question is which of those higher functioning species intersect in time. Time's the problem because there's so much of it that it's like astronomical distances, where species can be isolated by it.

Here's a recent take that runs with NASAs assertion that Xenon 129 could be naturally occurring. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but this whole thing sort of aligns with this thought I have that there are people in govt who know a lot more than we do about our galactic neighborhood and that maybe they see said neighborhood as very dangerous, and feel like it's not conducive to anything positive to let people know everything.
Wait isn't Mars a gigastructure just like the moon?
 

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Wouldn't that qualify as extraterrestrial life? :laugh4:
 

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The moon is hollow and is an actual alien base, accessible from the permanent dark side.

That is a real theory out there.

I don‘t buy that one. :D
 

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Seems unlikely. I figure all the alien bases are under water. :biggrin:
 

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I think aliens seeded this planet with life so they could buzz in here as if our planet is a cosmic food pantry for alien travelers. That would explain the cows found butchered and cauterized in ranches across the nation. I mean, who doesn’t want steak?!
 

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I think aliens seeded this planet with life so they could buzz in here as if our planet is a cosmic food pantry for alien travelers. That would explain the cows found butchered and cauterized in ranches across the nation. I mean, who doesn’t want steak?!

Damn, once they discover bacon we're really fucked.
 

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My wife has her left arm covered in X-Files tattoos. So yes, her and I believe
 

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Yeah, I guess that's a possibility...

https://www.livescience.com/alien-civilizations-doomed-to-collapse

Why have aliens never visited Earth? Scientists have a disturbing answer​

Ben Turner
5 - 6 minutes

Why has humanity never been visited by aliens (that we know of)? The question has confounded scientists for decades, but two researchers have come up with a possible — and disturbing — explanation: Advanced civilizations could be doomed to either stagnate or die before they get the chance.

The new hypothesis suggests that, as space-faring civilizations grow in scale and technological development, they eventually reach a crisis point where innovation no longer keeps up with the demand for energy. What comes next is collapse. The only alternative path is to reject a model of "unyielding growth" in favor of maintaining equilibrium, but at the cost of a civilization's ability to expand across the stars, the researchers said.

The argument, published on May 4 in the journal Royal Society Open Science, attempts to find a resolution to the Fermi Paradox. Taking its name from the casual lunchtime musings of Nobel Prize-winning physicist Enrico Fermi, the paradox draws attention to the contradiction between the immense scope and age of the universe — two things that suggest the universe should be teeming with advanced alien life — and the lack of evidence that extraterrestrials exist anywhere in sight. "So where is everybody?" Fermi is thought to have remarked.

Related: 9 Things we learned about aliens in 2021

The researchers of the new study say they may have the answer.

"Civilizations either collapse from burnout or redirect themselves to prioritizing homeostasis, a state where cosmic expansion is no longer a goal, making them difficult to detect remotely," astrobiologists Michael Wong, of the Carnegie Institution for Science, and Stuart Bartlett, of the California Institute of Technology, wrote in the study. "Either outcome — homeostatic awakening or civilization collapse — would be consistent with the observed absence of [galactic-wide] civilizations."

The pair came to their hypothesis by researching studies of the "'superlinear"' growth of cities. These studies suggested that cities increase in size and energy consumption at an exponential rate as their populations grow, inevitably leading to crisis points — or singularities — that cause rapid crashes in growth, followed by an even more precipitous, potentially civilization-ending, collapse.

"We hypothesize that once a planetary civilization transitions into a state that can be described as one virtually connected global city, it will face an 'asymptotic burnout,' an ultimate crisis where the singularity-interval time scale becomes smaller than the time scale of innovation," they wrote.

These close-to-collapse civilizations would be the easiest for humanity to detect, the researchers suggest, as they would be dissipating large amounts of energy in a "wildly unsustainable" way. "This presents the possibility that a good many of humanity's initial detections of extraterrestrial life may be of the intelligent, though not yet wise, kind," the researchers wrote.

To avert their doom, civilizations could undergo a "homeostatic awakening," redirecting their production away from unbounded growth across the stars to one that prioritizes societal wellbeing, sustainable and equitable development and harmony with their environment, the researchers suggest. While such civilizations may not completely abandon space exploration, they would not expand on scales great enough to make contact with Earth likely.

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The researchers point to a few of humanity's "mini-awakenings" that addressed global crises on Earth, such as the reduction of global nuclear arms stockpiles from 70,000 warheads to below 14,000; the halting of the once-growing hole in Earth's ozone layer by banning chlorofluorocarbon emissions; and the 1982 international whaling moratorium.

The scientists stress, however, that their suggestion is simply a hypothesis, taken from the observation of laws that seem to govern life on Earth, and is designed to "provoke discussion, introspection and future work."

Their proposal joins a bountiful crop of other scientific and popular suggestions as to why we've never made direct contact with celestial visitors. These include the numerous practical challenges presented by interstellar travel; that aliens may actually be visiting in secret; or that aliens arrived to Earth too soon (or humans too early) in the life of the universe for direct contact.

Another hypothesis, published April 4 in The Astrophysics Journal, suggests that the sheer scale of the universe means it could take as long as 400,000 years for a signal sent by one advanced species to be received by another — a timescale that’s far greater than the brief period humans have been able to scan the skies.

Originally published on Live Science.
 
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"Civilizations either collapse from burnout or redirect themselves to prioritizing homeostasis, a state where cosmic expansion is no longer a goal, making them difficult to detect remotely," astrobiologists Michael Wong, of the Carnegie Institution for Science, and Stuart Bartlett, of the California Institute of Technology, wrote in the study. "Either outcome — homeostatic awakening or civilization collapse — would be consistent with the observed absence of [galactic-wide] civilizations."

The pair came to their hypothesis by researching studies of the "'superlinear"' growth of cities. These studies suggested that cities increase in size and energy consumption at an exponential rate as their populations grow, inevitably leading to crisis points — or singularities — that cause rapid crashes in growth, followed by an even more precipitous, potentially civilization-ending, collapse.
Life is hard. I agree with this line of thought in general. Some thoughts on what is to me the most interesting of conversation topics:

1. There is certainly life out in the universe. Without a doubt. What is crazy and/or ignorant is to think there is not. This is not like a science experiment, where you must see proof to get your head around the idea. It is wise to anticipate this. Human beings should be thinking it is possible we will encounter another species if we survive long enough i.e. avoid being idiots by killing ourselves any of numerous ways. And this should change our perspective as a species, our group awareness if you will. It should put stupid shit like judging each other on the color of our skin into perspective. It would help us see we're all in this together.

2. Any species we come in contact with in our system, if it were to happen, will inevitably have survived what are probably multiple "crisis points" that intelligent species are faced with during their collective lifespan. What those are we can only surmise, as we are so early in the window of our own development. Only exception would be a machine civilization, though if it is of sufficient capability there is no reason to think why it wouldn't also have these crisis points it must survive.

3. Natural selection and its brutal rules still apply to intelligent species. We are still going to be shaped by it like it or not. It is a universal truth and it applies to groups of human beings just as it does to individuals collectively over time. In a free market society the rules of the universe i.e. natural selection apply, which is why it's so damn effective and also dangerous. There is undoubtedly a break point or maybe a pinnacle of sorts where the intelligent species, if they are successful enough and survive all the bullshit, actually determine their own form. If you were to analyze say just the species that developed intelligence in our galaxy somehow, I am sure there would be multiple break points in all that too. Just this is fascinating to me but sadly we're not going to be in a position to see analysis of species that get dug up on other worlds, assuming we get that far which looks doubtful lol, because that is to be many many years in our future if ever.

4. Is there a shortcut in regards to distance, i.e. warp technology, to be discovered? Because these distances are insane. Well I think so. I think the sightings we have had with these probes the Navy has released vids of use said technology. Moving in a bubble of spacetime allows for the speed and directional change we are seeing. Which means it might be attainable for us again if we survive long enough. I'm not interested in overlooking something so crucial. Just knowing that there is a key out there to discover to bending space and opening up this universe is of massive importance.

5. Is there a shortcut in regards to time? Because in vast oceans of time what are the chances we intersect with other species. No idea. I basically hope there isn't because we'd fuck it up lol.

6. Are aliens hostile, assuming any are alive in our timeline? There is a good chance some are. Or perhaps it is more accurate to say the rules of our own history would apply. Take a look at the Native Americans or just keep going back and it's clear that life takes from life, life struggles to survive, and resources are a big part of that. So our home planet would be insanely valuable to at least some species out there.

7. Back to Fermi why don't we see electromagnetic emissions from other species? I don't know this of course but damn is it a fascinating thing to think about. I suspect it is because this universe has enormous bands of electromagnetic energy running all over the joint and maybe there's a jamming type effect that dilutes the intelligence on the signal carrier. Or maybe other species are quiet for a reason and use tight beams.

I'd like to just go to one of those things and listen to the scientists bounce this shit around. To me there is nothing more fascinating and I'm a nerd who is fascinated by a lot of crazy shit.
 

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"We hypothesize that once a planetary civilization transitions into a state that can be described as one virtually connected global city, it will face an 'asymptotic burnout,' an ultimate crisis where the singularity-interval time scale becomes smaller than the time scale of innovation," they wrote.

These close-to-collapse civilizations would be the easiest for humanity to detect, the researchers suggest, as they would be dissipating large amounts of energy in a "wildly unsustainable" way. "This presents the possibility that a good many of humanity's initial detections of extraterrestrial life may be of the intelligent, though not yet wise, kind," the researchers wrote.

We seem to be heading the global city route, and I am not sure that is good for us.

Consuming energy in a "wildly unsustainable way"? What could we do that could create that?
 

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We seem to be heading the global city route, and I am not sure that is good for us.

Consuming energy in a "wildly unsustainable way"? What could we do that could create that?
Not sure. Crypto? Out of control social media usage? Something we can't even think of right now... or it's sitting right under our noses, not yet evolved into the threat it is to become.