Trying to understand the value; Goff and Wentz

[Elmgrovegnome]

I'd guess the same teams vying for Stafford are also in on Wentz but giving up two seconds at Washington and Carolinas draft slot is too much. A number one from either is also.
Two late second round picks from the Colts I could see. Frank Reich may think they can revive his career.


If the Rams had a better QB to play instead of Goff, I think they'd get a late first or two seconds. I only think that because a contender that really needs a QB may think he gets them over the top and the chances of drafting a guy at the end of round 1 or round two is pretty low. Wentz is a desperation move.

The Colts, Broncos, Panthers, and Carolina likely feel that they can win now. They are stuck between a rock and a hard place. They built their teams backwards by default. Its hard needing the QB as the last piece. I wish we could include the Bucs in that group. Washington shouldn't be in on Wentz. Taylor Heinicke has better stats in his first start than Wentz did this year.

Wentz has a 57.4 completion percentage and nearly as many TDs as Interceptions at 16/15. He played pretty well in 2018 and 2019. That's likely what teams are looking at.

 

[FrantikRam]

There also not asking a franchise QB back. If we traded Goff and only wanted picks back we probably get picks. We got a starting QB in return.

I also question just how many picks they do get for Wentz. I’m not convinced they even get 1 first rounder for him.

I was thinking the Colts will send the Eagles a 2nd round pick. Maybe a late pick too.

 

[Faceplant]

Wentz isn’t worth a GMC Eagle ....stupid auto correct

Let's try this again.... Wentz isn't worth an AMC Eagle in the back of a junk yard?

 

[HE WITH HORNS]

That's what I was confused by as well.

People were saying, we traded a first and a third for Stafford, and traded another first to get rid of Goff's contract.

So the first part of that makes sense, but lets do the 2nd part by itself.

If the Rams traded Goff to the Broncos, for example,

And the Broncos got Goff and a Rams first round pick.

The Rams got nothing. Would that be a good deal to you guys?

 

[Allen2McVay]

I was thinking the Colts will send the Eagles a 2nd round pick. Maybe a late pick too.

I am guessing a #1 and a #3.

That’s a lot for a QB who was benched by a last place team.

On the other hand, a pick in the 20s and another in the late-80s for a 28-year-old QB with physical talent, who was good as early as 2019, is not that much. Especially, for a playoff team that does not have a quarterback.

 

[Memphis Ram]

And Wentz becomes more valuable when Stafford is taken off the market.
can’t really compare the two.

Not only that, but you've got a desperate lame duck GM and HC in Chicago who would probably pay through the nose for anyone not named Trubisky.

 

[PhillyRam]

If the Eagles get a one, they might be sending another pick back.

Wentz and a #3 for a #1.

 

[PhillyRam]

Or maybe Ertz is sent with him, but he may not have any value based on his contract.

 

[Allen2McVay]

That's what I was confused by as well.

People were saying, we traded a first and a third for Stafford, and traded another first to get rid of Goff's contract.

I read that also but it does not make much sense.

It has also been reported that several teams had offered a first and third for Stafford. The Rams’ late-3rd in 2021 and a future first (probably late) is not better than a current #1 and #3.

Even if Detroit wanted to do right by its long time QB, it would want the best offer; and would ask for more from the Rams.

Even if the Rams could have gotten the Colts’ #1 for Goff, they would have first round picks in 2021, 2022 and 2023 but no QB.

And that goes to my final thought. The trade was all about Matthew Stafford, and the Rams upgrading at the QB position, with the intention of winning a Super Bowl.

The ultimate question is whether the Rams are right about Stafford.

 

[RamsSince1969]

Let's try this again.... Wentz isn't worth an AMC Eagle in the back of a junk yard?

How about an AMC Pacer?

 

[PhillyRam]

Let's try this again.... Wentz isn't worth an AMC Eagle in the back of a junk yard?

Hey! I had an AMC Eagle when I was in HS...they were sweet for a shitty AMC car.

Loved it how it would always spin out with just a light drizzle on the road.

 

[Allen2McVay]

For 5 years, I have argued Jared Goff over Carson Wentz, so I am NOT a Wentz-guy.

That being said, before this season, Wentz was really good but lacked durability.

Quarterback has always been the most important position on a team but that is probably more the case now than ever. If a team lacks a QB, that team will be really aggressive in getting one it likes.

Even more so if it’s a good team looking to win right now (like the Colts).

And the price will go up if there are multiple teams in that position ... as may be the case here with Wentz.

The Rams wanted Stafford. They think he is the QB that will be the difference. They were aggressive and got the guy they wanted. Hope they are right.

 

[dieterbrock]

I think that the could have traded Goff to a team that wanted him, and received value.
and if they traded for Stafford without JG, they would have paid less.
the problem is that this doesn’t happen in a vacuum.
Stafford was who they wanted, and if they didn’t get him, when they got him, he was getting traded elsewhere. So unless they had a solid offer for Goff, they had to include him in the deal. There wasn’t time.
From Detroit perspective they were doubling down on cap hit so it needed to be worth their while.
A team like Indy can absorb a Wentz, or Goff contract because they don’t have to eat money first like Detroit did. Chicago only has Foles money to worry about, can keep him around for 6.7 mill or dump him for 10 mill hit. So they can afford to take on the big contract too.

 

[Wisconsinram]

Great posts here, thanks. It has me thinking that the timing was as or more important than the actual exchange in value.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

 

[Corbin]

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Lmao that’s hilarious Foles is getting traded back to Philly with who their obsessed with! Lol

They’ll soon learn that fucker can’t do it for a full season anymore. He’s a one hit wonder.

And Chicago seriously? Fucking up that franchise... smh.

 

[FrantikRam]

C'mon Niners, don't let the Bears get Wentz - you can do it!

 

[Allen2McVay]

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Natalie Egenolf is attractive.

 

[Angry Ram]

Natalie Egenolf is attractive.

Yup. I'm sold. And smart AF.

 

[12intheBox]

I’ll be very curious to see what Wentz brings.

I wouldn’t expect it to be all that much under his contract, but it only takes one team to love him