Trying to understand the value; Goff and Wentz

[Wisconsinram]

I could use some help in understanding what is about to go down.

After being upset with our trade for Stafford, I began to understand it a little better after sleeping on it and coming to the realization that we had to "pay" to get out of Goff's contract (ala Osweiller a few years ago).

Soon we are going to hear about Philly RECEIVING major draft capital in trading Wentz (rumored to be at least two 2's and/or a 1st plus).

Both guys have eerily similar stats, require a strong cast around them, have their issues (Goff with processing, Wentz as a prima donna), and signed large deals in the same year. I'm not here to argue who is better as I'd even give that to Wentz if one was solely going to base it on their respective ceilings. I would, however, argue they are in a very similar range/tier in terms of being an NFL QB (and perhaps I am way off in my opinion).

Is there something in the way the contracts were written that makes acquiring Wentz more advantages? Can anyone help me understand what I'm missing?

 

[Neil039]

Wants isn’t worth the GMC Eagle parked in the back row of the junk yard...or so I’ve heard.

 

[Ballhawk]

Even though Goff has accomplished way more in his career than Wentz, too many people think that Wentz is the better QB.
I have no idea why.

 

[Logy]

Even though Goff has accomplished way more in his career than Wentz, too many people think that Wentz is the better QB.
I have no idea why.

Look at how big and strong Wentz is, he's way more likely to survive the struggles of an NFL season.

 

[ottoman89]

Even though Goff has accomplished way more in his career than Wentz, too many people think that Wentz is the better QB.
I have no idea why.

I don't either. Wentz has been given free passes his whole career. Dude is broken as a QB.

 

[Boston Ram]

There also not asking a franchise QB back. If we traded Goff and only wanted picks back we probably get picks. We got a starting QB in return.

I also question just how many picks they do get for Wentz. I’m not convinced they even get 1 first rounder for him.

 

[Bearrister]

I don’t either. According to an ESPN article the Eagles are looking to get a “Matt Stafford” type haul - so that would be multiple 1sts, a 3rd, and a young offensive starter.

I think this is where the intertwining of the Stafford to Rams-Unload Goff’s contract comes into play. According to sources there was a market for Goff - we don’t know what that would’ve been had he been a stand-alone trade. To get Stafford, we had to make up for our lack of a 1st round pick this year along with the fact that in all likelihood those 1st round picks are likely to be lower. Other teams could offer a top-10 pick this year.

The asset that made up that difference was Goff. According to reports Detroit actually wanted him and didn’t view it solely as a salary dump.

With that said, some on this board thought we could get a 1st round pick from a place like Indy. Others thought the Sam Bradford deal was another template. It’s hard to say what Goff would’ve been worth by himself, but it makes it easier to understand why Philly thinks they can actually get assets back for Wentz. I just think they’re crazy if they think they can get a “a Stafford-type-haul.”

Sources: Eagles expected to trade Wentz soon

A trade shipping Eagles quarterback Carson Wentz out of Philadelphia is expected to happen soon, sources told ESPN's Chris Mortensen and Adam Schefter.

www.espn.com

 

[dieterbrock]

And Wentz becomes more valuable when Stafford is taken off the market.
can’t really compare the two.

 

[shake-n-bake]

Whats interesting is the evaluation of QBs. Both guys on the move

 

[Neil039]

Wants isn’t worth the GMC Eagle parked in the back row of the junk yard...or so I’ve heard.

Wentz isn’t worth a GMC Eagle ....stupid auto correct

 

[Bearrister]

Interestingly Wentz’ trade dead-cap charge is a lot higher than Goff’s - $34million vs $22 million. That’s a lot of dead money to take on - makes Goff’s look like small fry.

 

[Neil039]

What are the Eagle fans in charge of the trade???

 

[kurtfaulk]

Interestingly Wentz’ trade dead-cap charge is a lot higher than Goff’s - $34million vs $22 million. That’s a lot of dead money to take on - makes Goff’s look like small fry.

I think that's the dead cap for the eagles if they trade him.

Goff still has $43m in guarantees owed to him moving forward.

Not sure how much wentz has coming moving forward.

Edit - just read your post again and that's exactly what you were saying. My bad.

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[Flint]

Even though Goff has accomplished way more in his career than Wentz, too many people think that Wentz is the better QB.
I have no idea why.

That is a head scratcher, Goff has played in quite a few more games than Wentz which is ironic considering Wentz’s physical stature made him seem to be the better player.
There’s a lot going on in Philly, front office drama, loads of injuries, stuff Goff doesn’t have. Goff is seen as being in a great situation, Wentz is seen as doing everything he can with no help. Maybe neither of those things are true.

 

[rams1fan]

I could use some help in understanding what is about to go down.

After being upset with our trade for Stafford, I began to understand it a little better after sleeping on it and coming to the realization that we had to "pay" to get out of Goff's contract (ala Osweiller a few years ago).

Soon we are going to hear about Philly RECEIVING major draft capital in trading Wentz (rumored to be at least two 2's and/or a 1st plus).

Both guys have eerily similar stats, require a strong cast around them, have their issues (Goff with processing, Wentz as a prima donna), and signed large deals in the same year. I'm not here to argue who is better as I'd even give that to Wentz if one was solely going to base it on their respective ceilings. I would, however, argue they are in a very similar range/tier in terms of being an NFL QB (and perhaps I am way off in my opinion).

Is there something in the way the contracts were written that makes acquiring Wentz more advantages? Can anyone help me understand what I'm missing?

The issue is this. If we fid not include Goff in the Stafford trade then everyone would knoe we had to get rid ogf goff and it would be the talib trade. I.e. pay someone to takt giff.

ideally we would have traded goff prior to the stafford deal. That did not happen

 

[RamBall]

Look at how big and strong Wentz is, he's way more likely to survive the struggles of an NFL season.

Are you talking about the same Wentz that gets injured pretty much every season? Goff has had 1 injury in his career, Wentz has had 1 or more every season of his caree, so being bigger doesnt mean much in this case.

 

[kurtfaulk]

Are you talking about the same Wentz that gets injured pretty much every season? Goff has had 1 injury in his career, Wentz has had 1 or more every season of his caree, so being bigger doesnt mean much in this case.

I'm pretty sure he was joking. Good delivery as well.

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[PhillyRam]

I could use some help in understanding what is about to go down.

After being upset with our trade for Stafford, I began to understand it a little better after sleeping on it and coming to the realization that we had to "pay" to get out of Goff's contract (ala Osweiller a few years ago).

Soon we are going to hear about Philly RECEIVING major draft capital in trading Wentz (rumored to be at least two 2's and/or a 1st plus).

Both guys have eerily similar stats, require a strong cast around them, have their issues (Goff with processing, Wentz as a prima donna), and signed large deals in the same year. I'm not here to argue who is better as I'd even give that to Wentz if one was solely going to base it on their respective ceilings. I would, however, argue they are in a very similar range/tier in terms of being an NFL QB (and perhaps I am way off in my opinion).

Is there something in the way the contracts were written that makes acquiring Wentz more advantages? Can anyone help me understand what I'm missing?

There are reports that the Eagles are trying to rework his contract, maybe they take a bigger hit in order to get more draft capital.

Of course they have a bigger cap problem than we do, but i am guessing they will gut the team and start over, so picks help with what they are going to do.

 

[Mackeyser]

And Wentz becomes more valuable when Stafford is taken off the market.
can’t really compare the two.

This is a VERY big part of it.

When Stafford was up, teams thought they had options and bigger ones at that with Watson and maybe Rodgers.

Once the write ups for the Stafford trade came out, the league had to have started to panic a bit.

Rodgers is a zero percent chance.

Watson was too rich for Les Snead's blood. I mean... the guy is a damned WHALE when it comes to being a big spender of picks and contracts... and Watson was too rich for Les Snead? That's like being too rich for Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos. It's crazy talk.

Also, in the Stafford deal, Goff went to Detroit, so that's another possibility gone.

Now...there's only Wentz and Watson (not really counting Cousins, but I suppose he's "available")... but Watson is gonna mean a RECORD haul in picks AND starters. The last time so many players were moved, it involved Art Modell and a fleet of semis...

This is why whoever "wins" the Wentz sweepstakes not only is gonna have to pay with picks, they ALSO get his contract.

Philly wants to trade him prior to 3/20 because that's when his 2022 contract becomes guaranteed and the Eagles would be on the hook for it.

If they don't trade him prior to 3/20, the Eagles would be on the hook in 2021 for a $59.2M cap hit which is substantially higher than the $34.67M with him on the team. His 2022 salary is $22M so his traded prior to 3/20 cap hit to the Eagles would be $37.2M. They could swing it.

So ESPECIALLY in 2021 with a maybe drastically reduced cap, there's NO WAY the Eagles can afford to trade Wentz after 3/20. Either they get it done or they have the most expensive paperweight in NFL history.

This why you're hearing stories of a trade being imminent. It's all on the Eagles to get it done. If they're all in on Jalen Hurts, they may be better off settling for a 2 and a 4 as opposed to the QB controversy that could divide the locker room. Using an old axiom going back prior to 1970, the author long forgotten but his wisdom carries on: If you have 2 QBs, you have none.

 

[CGI_Ram]

The Eagles, with whatever they do, won’t accomplish what the Rams did.

The Rams trade of Goff = The best QB on the market to win a Superbowl with, outside of maybe Watson.

The Eagles, while perhaps optically acquiring a better trade value... are bobbing around trying to figure out how to regroup their franchise.

The Rams are truckin‘ compared to that shit.