Trade Deadline Rumors and Trades

[OldSchool]

Trading Alvin Kamara would mean 20 million in dead cap. It isn't happening.

Not quite

Alvin Kamara | NFL Contracts & Salaries | Spotrac.com

Alvin Kamara signed a 2 year, $24,500,000 contract with the New Orleans Saints, including $15,500,000 signing bonus, $19,233,333 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $12,250,000. In 2025, Kamara will earn a base salary of $2,990,000, while carrying a cap hit of $10,061,471 and a dead...

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Looks like the remaining signing bonus and the restructure total is $14.4 million. The rest of the bonuses move to the Eagles. At least according to spotrac. The biggest thing is next year with the anticipated increase to the salary cap the Saints are already over the cap close to $64 million. Kamara's $16 million cap hit is one of the players that would help with that.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I don't think you make that move with the idea that you don't re-sign him. I see what you're saying but if his value is based on that then nothing gets done. And if he had more years on his deal he would be more expensive. It's a gamble anyway.

They essentially did the same thing last year. I’d think Chubb would cost less than Von too. So why not do it?

 

[Ram_Rally]

They essentially did the same thing last year. I’d think Chubb would cost less than Von too. So why not do it?

I agree! I hope they do

 

[Ram_Rally]

Not quite

Alvin Kamara | NFL Contracts & Salaries | Spotrac.com

Alvin Kamara signed a 2 year, $24,500,000 contract with the New Orleans Saints, including $15,500,000 signing bonus, $19,233,333 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $12,250,000. In 2025, Kamara will earn a base salary of $2,990,000, while carrying a cap hit of $10,061,471 and a dead...

www.spotrac.com

Looks like the remaining signing bonus and the restructure total is $14.4 million. The rest of the bonuses move to the Eagles. At least according to spotrac. The biggest thing is next year with the anticipated increase to the salary cap the Saints are already over the cap close to $64 million. Kamara's $16 million cap hit is one of the players that would help with that.

Wait I'm confused. It says dead cap is 19.3 million for 2023 right?

 

[OldSchool]

Wait I'm confused. It says dead cap is 19.3 million for 2023 right?

If cut pre June 1st . Cutting and not trading adds in any guaranteed money like the roster bonuses, the $4 million of his 2023 salary that's guaranteed

 

[Ram_Rally]

If cut pre June 1st . Cutting and not trading adds in any guaranteed money like the roster bonuses, the $4 million of his 2023 salary that's guaranteed

Weird. I looked into kamara for the rams but everything I read said the dead cap will be way too much to consider.

 

[dieterbrock]

they could re-signn him?

They can sign him as a UFA too. Thats what a 1 year rental means, you only control the player contract for the year, with no control after that.

 

[dieterbrock]

and if he does well, gets sacks and helps the Rams make a deep play off run he will likely leave for greener pastures.
If it helps the Rams repeat, is it worth it?
Yes, it is.

Not disagreeing, I have no opinion on Chubb either way. I was just clarifying that he would be a "1 year rental" for any team that traded for him, and that it wasnt a definition to agree or disagree with.

 

[dieterbrock]

Absolutely agree. The way they handled Von was bad business. If you remember Von was not hot at that moment. He was said to have lost a step and had only 4 sacks after 8 games on a really good D with a great D minded coach. We should have negotiated something with the "just in case Von blows up" in mind. That way we controlled his fate better.

Von was never going to sign an extension prior to free agency unless they blew him away. Especially one at the suggestion of a bargain for the Rams. Chubb would be the same way, he nor his agent would sign an extension unless it was UFA money.

 

[Tano]

Game has changed drastically since early 2000s.
The passing games right now and all offensive gurus have been taking over. It used to be 2 recievers were enough now all the sudden you need 3,4,5.
That's why the rb position is so devalued it's a lot different. You play like that now you will get burned unless it's truly perfect personnel and even then. With no pass rush you could have revis back there and Deion wouldn't make a difference.

I am just going to respond once here to all the comments I got back.

One - San Francisco plays the type of defense that I want the Rams to play. They had 8 in the box a lot of the game especially on 3rd and short. Quite frequently we play 5 yards off on 3rd and short.
Two - a great defense is not one that is bottom 10 in sacks pressures and interceptions. 16 points a game is a very good defense though. I will admit this defense is definitely missing Von.
Three - I trust Kendrick with some help from a safety for over the top plays. Ramsey can be on an island for most of the game.
Four - I've always said - a mixture of soft and man to man with some changing up right before the play from time to time
Five - I think Gaines and Robinson are better run stoppers than SF DL so they can definitely play on first and possibly second down instead of a couple SF DL players. Plus it would allow the DL to be fresh throughout the game. Donald and Bosa would definitely be in the majority of the time. Wagner and Jones are comparable to SF Linebackers not much of a drop there if any. Floyd is better than Ebukam. I like Scott instead of one of the two SF safeties. I like Kendrick as a slot CB. And I am still intrigued how well Rochelle could play in more of a man to man defense. He looked good in preseason. The only real weakness I see when comparing our players to SF players is our ROLB and maybe our second safety isn't that good. I thought Fuller or Burgess was going to be really good.

 

[Mackeyser]

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I guess I missed it…

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I guess I missed it…

That is a fake account.

The real one is J.B. Long

 

[majrleaged]

Lame JB

Wether the Rams resign him or not, he is a free agent at the end of the season. So for trade value he is a one year rental.

He could choose to sign with another team if he wants, or the Rams. But right now they Rams would only be guaranteed to be trading for his services for the remainder of this season.

One thing is they could get a 3rd or a 4th if he sighned somewhere else. That didnt happen with miller. To many years in the league.

 

[RamsOfCastamere]

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[payote75]

I am just going to respond once here to all the comments I got back.

One - San Francisco plays the type of defense that I want the Rams to play. They had 8 in the box a lot of the game especially on 3rd and short. Quite frequently we play 5 yards off on 3rd and short.
Two - a great defense is not one that is bottom 10 in sacks pressures and interceptions. 16 points a game is a very good defense though. I will admit this defense is definitely missing Von.
Three - I trust Kendrick with some help from a safety for over the top plays. Ramsey can be on an island for most of the game.
Four - I've always said - a mixture of soft and man to man with some changing up right before the play from time to time
Five - I think Gaines and Robinson are better run stoppers than SF DL so they can definitely play on first and possibly second down instead of a couple SF DL players. Plus it would allow the DL to be fresh throughout the game. Donald and Bosa would definitely be in the majority of the time. Wagner and Jones are comparable to SF Linebackers not much of a drop there if any. Floyd is better than Ebukam. I like Scott instead of one of the two SF safeties. I like Kendrick as a slot CB. And I am still intrigued how well Rochelle could play in more of a man to man defense. He looked good in preseason. The only real weakness I see when comparing our players to SF players is our ROLB and maybe our second safety isn't that good. I thought Fuller or Burgess was going to be really good.

Nothing of what you say is entirely wrong but one thing that puts a huge crimp in it is we cant play loke the whiners. We dont have that pass rush.

Thats why we won the Superbowl last year it created so many different looks we only had to rush 4 so that lime an offense opens up everyrhing it clogs the middle it sets the edges abd when you think of having AD and Wagoner in the middle yes the edge rusher is critical.

 

[Tano]

Nothing of what you say is entirely wrong but one thing that puts a huge crimp in it is we cant play loke the whiners. We dont have that pass rush.

Pfft - Crapola will shit in his pants if we played tight. I've seen it time and again with him.

Playing off is just playing right into his hands. He can make 5 yard passes all day.

Now you are probably right with the better QBs in this league - Mahomes Allen and a couple more

But Allen destroyed us playing 7 yards off so I would give it a try by mixing in tight and soft defenses against him.

And going back on topic - any word on anyone we are trying to get?

 

[Allen2McVay]

And going back on topic - any word on anyone we are trying to get?

Lots of words, about a lot of players, from a lot of people that really Don't Know A Lot.

 

[fearsomefour]

Not disagreeing, I have no opinion on Chubb either way. I was just clarifying that he would be a "1 year rental" for any team that traded for him, and that it wasnt a definition to agree or disagree with.

True.
It is certainly something to take into account however.
If you are giving up trade capital once again landing a guy who can log several years with the team at a high level should be a major consideration.
Will the Rams have the money to resign someone like Chubb?

 

[payote75]

Pfft - Crapola will shit in his pants if we played tight. I've seen it time and again with him.

Playing off is just playing right into his hands. He can make 5 yard passes all day.

Now you are probably right with the better QBs in this league - Mahomes Allen and a couple more

But Allen destroyed us playing 7 yards off so I would give it a try by mixing in tight and soft defenses against him.

And going back on topic - any word on anyone we are trying to get?

Dude I'm all for tight coverage but my point is that they are overcompensating for a lack of pash rush. Rushing 4 is huge that's why they beat us constantly.

And you know my feelings on Von and how he handled shit but is no coincidence we were able to beat them when it counted most and he was on this team. Jimmy G didn't look so Jimmy G. He is what 8-1 7-1 vs us that one came with von when we could play exactly as your saying.

Having said that should Deblo be injured not play or a decoy we can be a little more aggressive itakes a difference huge difference but with CMC still need to be careful as we say he can still catch from a ghost QB lol.

 

[AvengerRam]

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