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Can’t believe you guys are all leaving out the first rookie to lead his team to the NFC Championship game!!!
Dieter Brock!!
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Top 5 Starting Ram QB's You Saw Play, Excluding Warner
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Kurt Warner started his career, marginally in 1998, at 27 years old (only part of one game in 1998). In the following season, Green went down and he came out like a veteran, carving up the NFL enroute to the Rams only Super Bowl victory in its history.
Those of us who were fans at that time, still can't account for the way in which his NFL career burst onto the scene like a fireball. In 1999, he was perfectly suited to guide that team and utilize its extraordinary weapons: Marshall Faulk, Torry Holt, Az Hakim, Isaac Bruce, and Ricky Proehl. He had Mad Mike designing plays that no one had ever seen before and Dick Vermeil overseeing it all(nuff said).
Jared Goff at age 22 yrs. was thrust into the fire by a Fisher team that struggled for its existence, and lost 7 in a row at the end of a 4-12 season. Considering Warner's first NFL opportunity with Green Bay as an undrafted FA in 1994 at age 23 yrs, Goff has done better. When asked to go in and be a QB in certain plays at Green Bay he refused, and he was soon cut. "He wasn't ready," said Steve Mariucci. At Cal, Jared Goff was thrust into a new HC's system and was brutalized in his red shirt year. The same was true in Jeff Fisher's "Jr High offense" (thanks Todd) and lost his first 7 games.
At similar ages, Goff and Warner went in totally different directions. Goff led the LA Rams to it's first NFC West title in more than a decade, while Kurt flubbed his first NFL opportunity and got that job in the grocery store, waiting for the next chance. Both Warner and Goff have a resiliency about their character. A lot of QB's would never have survived that red shirt year at Cal with confidence intact. The same is true with the Rams. People point to his inability to take over games like a franchise QB. In the playoff game vs. the Falcons, some might say "look at what Kurt did in his first year. Goff just doesn't have 'IT.'" Add several more years to Goff's maturity and experience, and the belief might be different.
Goff will improve every year, as his past has shown, and I believe he will eventually be better than Kurt Warner....IMO
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In chronological order:
Roman Gabriel
John Hadl
Ron Jaworski (traded in favor of Pat Haden )
Vince Ferragamo
Jared Goff
Not going to forgive Everett’s phantom sack followed by 17 straight losses to the 9’ers.
Roman Gabriel
John Hadl
Ron Jaworski (traded in favor of Pat Haden )
Vince Ferragamo
Jared Goff
Not going to forgive Everett’s phantom sack followed by 17 straight losses to the 9’ers.
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Born in 1966 so here we go:
- Roman Ildonzo Gabriel Jr.
- John Willard Hadl
- Vince Anthony Ferragamo
- James Samuel Everett III
- Jared Thomas Goff
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Gabriel - MVP, Comback Player of the Year, Rams career wins record holder
Everett -playoff QBpoor front office and ownership nullified career continuity
Ferragamo - got to a Super Bowl, poor front office and ownership nullified career continuity
Green- brief but really good, Playoff Qb
Bulger - stat machine, quick release, Playoff QB
Hadl - brief but really good
Goff - has a chance to exceed all of them!
Everett -playoff QBpoor front office and ownership nullified career continuity
Ferragamo - got to a Super Bowl, poor front office and ownership nullified career continuity
Green- brief but really good, Playoff Qb
Bulger - stat machine, quick release, Playoff QB
Hadl - brief but really good
Goff - has a chance to exceed all of them!
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VIOLATION TO OP!
Jeff Kemp and Kurt Warner were excluded from this discussion!
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Surprised i dont see more of Jim Everett reading from page one to present
Top of my list is Everett (would have loved to see him or even Bradfod at the helm of the GSOT)
Gonna insert a gap because i feel this isnt even close
Gabriel (cant go with one (real) year with team Hadl)
Bulger
Bradford ( imagine what could have been had the Rams set him up as well as the have Goff)
Ferragamo
Haden ( was a winner)
In two years or less, J. Goff may very well top this list
Top of my list is Everett (would have loved to see him or even Bradfod at the helm of the GSOT)
Gonna insert a gap because i feel this isnt even close
Gabriel (cant go with one (real) year with team Hadl)
Bulger
Bradford ( imagine what could have been had the Rams set him up as well as the have Goff)
Ferragamo
Haden ( was a winner)
In two years or less, J. Goff may very well top this list
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LOL unless you're on the course you may as well be as far away as me!
He embarrassed himself by not being prepared and I'm guessing he learned a valuable lesson. And I'd bet money that Mooch let him have it right there on the field.
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I never liked Haden, he was short and they only way he could throw a 50 yard pass was he would have to throw a 25 yard pass and then pick it up and toss it an additional 25 yards. IMHO, Carroll Rosenbloom loved him and I never understood why.
Pat Haden was not a good Quarterback and the Rams won in spite of him IMHO. They also traded two better Quarterbacks in Ron Jaworski and James Harris. Unfortunately one of the great debates between Chuck Knox and Rosenbloom was, that CR wanted Haden as the starter and Knox preferred Harris because Knox's offense required a QB that could throw the deep ball and Haden could not.
Haden a winner? It's no coincidence the Rams finally made the Super Bowl with Ferragamo, who had a howitzer for an arm and was the antithesis of Pop Gun Pat. After the Rams had hired George Allen in 1978, it was Haden that first did not embrace the hiring because he preferred Ray Malavasi and Allen had asked Haden to pick up a hot dog wrapper that was on the field and Haden felt that was beneath him (true story) eventually leading to an Allen firing after two preseason games, in which, the offense only scored 7 points with Haden at QB and Malavasi as the OC.
I just never understood why anyone felt Haden was a good QB, the only thing he could do was scramble. At USC they Ran the ball so passing was not that important. Also I believe the Rams let Ferragamo go after the 1980 season to Canada because they had Haden and I will never forget a 1981 game at the Meadowlands against the New York Giants as the wind was blustery (December) and every pass Haden threw fell short because of that pop gun Sally of an arm. Never liked Pat Haden and felt very strongly that if not for Haden, the Rams would have kept Ron Jaworski, who was so much better and would have paid Ferragamo too because they would have had no other option.
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I appeal the violation. Kurt was excluded, but Jeff Kemp was just a "maybe" exclude!
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Lets see....
Les, enjoying his day at beautiful Lake Cuyahoga
Me, enjoying a day at Lake Tahoe.....yeah, might as well be where you are, Les!
Most people caught that I was joking.
By the way, I could have paid just $20- to watch the Thursday golf action, but I chose the beach, instead. Swimming in the most beautiful lake in the world with my grandkids was a much better investment than watching those guys on the course. As fun as that would have been!
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Lets see....
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Les, enjoying his day at beautiful Lake Cuyahoga
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Me, enjoying a day at Lake Tahoe.....yeah, might as well be where you are, Les!
Most people caught that I was joking.
By the way, I could have paid just $20- to watch the Thursday golf action, but I chose the beach, instead. Swimming in the most beautiful lake in the world with my grandkids was a much better investment than watching those guys on the course. As fun as that would have been!
I knew you were joking too, I was just teasing. And by the way.........it's Lake Erie, and the Cuyahoga River. That's the one that caught on fire years and years ago. I wonder if that picture is actually the Cuyahoga.
I moved out of the Cleveland area 9 years ago but I remember growing up the river being so polluted you'd probably die if you swam in it.
I live in Bonita Springs, FL now. One of the best beaches in the US. Voted best on the mainland a few times in fact. Hawaii will always win the top spot of course.
http://floridarambler.com/florida-best-beaches/florida-best-beaches/
That's a view of Doc's Beach House, which is 4 minutes from my condo and is the area of the beach I often hang out at for sunsets and the like. I lucked into a great location, I'm TITS in under 5 minutes.
That's Toes In The Sand.
Here is a different angle.
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Much better Les. I’ll go as far as saying TITS....while I was dealing with TOTS...
:cheers:
