Think we lost our deep threat?

[kurtfaulk]

Skowronek and Harris are volunteers................DJ was a hostage. Mike Tomlin said it best "I'll take volunteers over hostages anytime"

is this the same guy that franchise tagged leveon bell twice? even though bell said he wouldn't play on the tag again after the first time? made bell sit out a year and lose $15m? that guy? fuck him.

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[Ellard80]

jefferson is kind of a long speed guy - he can pick up speed and beat you on a long post route or corner move.

I still don't see him has a pure deep threat but he obviously has shown he can get deep twice this year.

Djax even at 34 just has explosive burst that is hard to find- some others have it but djax has the ability to just get wide wide open which is rare.

I understand why they dropped him but I don't like that he is gone.

 

[Flint]

I mean, come on, D Jax was (is) the very definition of a deep threat but that’s no knock on Jefferson who is a very good all round WR who is going from strength to strength. I am worried about the lack of deep threat but will wait and see

Djax still has elite speed but does he have the strength and stamina to maintain it for 65-70 yds? Remember the td? How he seemed to be messing around slowing down instead of just running to the goal line? Maybe he was out of gas. How bout the one where he came across the field? He didn’t think he could out run the db’s to the corner so he went out of bounds. It was still 60 yds but was there more there? Does this have anything to do with his usage?

 

[Allen2McVay]

Djax still has elite speed but does he have the strength and stamina to maintain it for 65-70 yds? Remember the td? How he seemed to be messing around slowing down instead of just running to the goal line? Maybe he was out of gas. How bout the one where he came across the field? He didn’t think he could out run the db’s to the corner so he went out of bounds. It was still 60 yds but was there more there? Does this have anything to do with his usage?

Your question regarding 'strength and stamina' is reasonable but DeSean Jackson has been show-boating to the end-zone his whole career.

 

[1maGoh]

Your question regarding 'strength and stamina' is reasonable but DeSean Jackson has been show-boating to the end-zone his whole career.

That doesn't explain the second one. He could have beat those guys to the end zone, but slowed down and ran out of bounds. Slowing down to showboat when you have everyone beat and still making it to the end zone is one thing. Slowing down when you have 2 guys to beat and being forced out of bounds is another. It's either laziness or lack of conditioning, but not showboating.

 

[So Ram]

Think again.

Van Jefferson is a deep threat. Check out this breakdown of his big catch last Sunday.

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Impressive how quickly he closed on Vernon Hargreaves (who, interestingly, was released this week) and then flew by Hargreaves and Lonnie Johnson (both DBs are 4.5 guys) to make the catch.

Jefferson never ran a 40 during his pre-draft offseason, but he was reportedly among the fastest guys at the Senior Bowl.

So... we don't need MeJax, and we can manage without Tutu. Mr. Jefferson can take the top off the defense.

(and maybe Mr. Harris will surprise us there too!)

Do you watch kickoffs? Have you seen who has been returning kicks? Have you seen punts ? If not look for #18 on all the above.He also had 3 targets & 3 catch’s. Why Copper Kupp is out on any of the special teams squads is CRAZY to me.Talk about a player of importance & now your adding responsibility’s.
Ben Sko is a player that never ran the 40 at the combine or pro day,but he was quote about his speed & what he was timed at.When you look at the kickoff team on defense & see guys racing down field it shows a true way of seeing players speed in pads.

 

[Allen2McVay]

That doesn't explain the second one. He could have beat those guys to the end zone, but slowed down and ran out of bounds. Slowing down to showboat when you have everyone beat and still making it to the end zone is one thing. Slowing down when you have 2 guys to beat and being forced out of bounds is another. It's either laziness or lack of conditioning, but not showboating.

I disagree with you on the second one. The long reception against Seattle.

As I saw it, Jackson had beaten the defenders deep but the ball was significantly under-thrown. Jackson read it well but the DBs did not. Jackson stopped, came-back for the catch, broke left and ran across the field.

in my opinion, Jackson used a lot of energy in doing all the above, and did not have enough left to beat the defenders to the end-zone. I also thought the DBS had a decent angle.

I don't think he was show-boating on that play and I don't think it was laziness. I thought he was just tired; and I don't think that was about conditioning. I thought he just used a lot of energy on the play; and it was a huge play at the time.

 

[oldnotdead]

People used to complain about the OL saying the personnel wasn't good enough. These same guys are now playing as a unit as one of the top OLs in the NFL. People scoffed when I said Allen was going to be the starter at center and would play well. He's come in and is playing lights out. I've always said that the Rams have a legit deep threat in Jefferson, whom I've been high on since he was drafted. He runs good routes which like Kupp helps him get open plus he's got legit speed.

I've always been high on Harris since the draft. His move to WR makes a lot more sense than TE where he's buried behind Higbee. Harris is the fastest WR on the roster. He didn't get all those reps with the 1's for no reason. He's everything they wanted in Reynolds, and more in that he has better hands and is much faster. He simply needs seasoning and coaching on his route running. But with Kupp and Woods as his mentor's I have no doubt he will develop faster.

This roster has always been better and deeper than most people realize. There is legit talent in all positions and is surprisingly deep. Benny Sko is showing he's a legit possession type receiver. The Rams are stacked at WR with Woods, Kupp, Jefferson, Harris, and Skowronek. IMO it really doesn't matter if Tutu ever develops he's a flash and gadget guy at this point. He held himself back with a lack of commitment. I think he was simply overwhelmed and cowed by the talent he was in competition with. A year to heal, be coached up, and build up his body will also build his confidence. I think we should see a different player next year, otherwise, he might not make this roster.

The other WR to watch is Landen Akers. This kid can fly and has been clocked at Iowa State as fast as 4.39. This guy is sneaky good and IMO is the biggest threat to Tutu. He's got the height, build, hands, lacking in Tutu and like Harris, both these guys have shown they have exceptional speed. I think Tutu can carve out a place on this roster but it's going to have to begin as a returner. Until Tutu can prove himself there he will stay buried behind a bunch of better WRs.

Have faith my friends. This team is as loaded as any team I've ever seen. Only now are the media taking them seriously because they never bothered to deep dive into this roster. This is one team no one wants to face. They are the only team to beat the Bucs but most still rate them behind the Bucs, which makes no sense.

The Rams beat themselves in their loss to AZ. But if you watched closely, Morris has changed how he's playing his zone. He's being much more aggressive, even taking away the short passes. It was only when he backed off in the 4th quarter that the Texans were able to score. If Morris continues to play that aggressive shutdown style this defense can dominate offenses. IMO Morris and sloppy play by the rest of the team lost that AZ game. I don't expect that next time around and it Kyler is going to face a completely different defense. With Floyd, Donald, Gaines, and now Miller as that front 4 they won't need to blitz to get to Kyler. Morris simply has to take away his first two short reads and then Kyler is toast.

 

[1maGoh]

I disagree with you on the second one. The long reception against Seattle.

As I saw it, Jackson had beaten the defenders deep but the ball was significantly under-thrown. Jackson read it well but the DBs did not. Jackson stopped, came-back for the catch, broke left and ran across the field.

in my opinion, Jackson used a lot of energy in doing all the above, and did not have enough left to beat the defenders to the end-zone. I also thought the DBS had a decent angle.

I don't think he was show-boating on that play and I don't think it was laziness. I thought he was just tired; and I don't think that was about conditioning. I thought he just used a lot of energy on the play; and it was a huge play at the time.

Have you ever run so hard that you threw up, but didn't stop running because you really needed to keep running? I have. He didn't run that hard. I stand by my statement, although I do respect your opinion. Maybe the DBs had a better angle than I remember. I was at the bar and very slightly buzzed at the time (which is rather unusual for me). I really thought he had a chance to get past them, then he started slowing down and angling outside. I could be wrong.

 

[Mackeyser]

You’re not wrong

 

[Allen2McVay]

Have you ever run so hard that you threw up, but didn't stop running because you really needed to keep running? I have.

Just a difference of opinion. No big deal.

However, if you're looking for someone to take a run with, I think I am going to pass.

 

[1maGoh]

Just a difference of opinion. No big deal.

However, if you're looking for someone to take a run with, I think I am going to pass.

It was just for fitness tests in the Army. I am not a runner. Every damn time was a struggle, but I busted my ass.

 

[Loyal]

It was just for fitness tests in the Army. I am not a runner. Every damn time was a struggle, but I busted my ass.

My LPOC in the Navy would run mile, while puffing on a cigarette, no shyte...

 

[Mackeyser]

In A school, I nearly ripped my hammies to touch my toes. I was super fit, but had super tight hammies. What I know is that there was no way I was gonna do early morning PT. Screw that.

The run was pretty easy comparatively speaking

 

[RamWoodie]

Duhhh...Jeferson, Kupp, and Woods are all deep threats. It ain't about speed all the time.

 

[FarNorth]

Duhhh...Jeferson, Kupp, and Woods are all deep threats. It ain't about speed all the time.

Having an offensive line that can really pass block also helps all our WRs be deep threats.

 

[OC--LeftCoast]

We’ll see and hope to God you’re right, right?

 

[JYB]

I disagree with you on the second one. The long reception against Seattle.

As I saw it, Jackson had beaten the defenders deep but the ball was significantly under-thrown. Jackson read it well but the DBs did not. Jackson stopped, came-back for the catch, broke left and ran across the field.

in my opinion, Jackson used a lot of energy in doing all the above, and did not have enough left to beat the defenders to the end-zone. I also thought the DBS had a decent angle.

I don't think he was show-boating on that play and I don't think it was laziness. I thought he was just tired; and I don't think that was about conditioning. I thought he just used a lot of energy on the play; and it was a huge play at the time.

He could've stayed inbounds and fought for another two or three yards -- but still wouldn't have score -- but he opted to step out and avoid the contact.

 

[Allen2McVay]

He could've stayed inbounds and fought for another two or three yards -- but still wouldn't have score -- but he opted to step out and avoid the contact.

I completely agree but would not expect a receiver that just made a really big play, and expended a ton of energy to take-on an unnecessary hit for a couple extra yards. Factor in his lack of size, age and recent-injury-history, I was OK with Jackson going out-of-bounds. He did exactly what the #4-WR / deep-threat was supposed to do.

Also, that was a huge play in that game. it was the third quarter, and the Rams were trailing.

 

[iamme33]

i never understood the need for a deep threat. all i ever hear is we need some one to take the top off the defense. seems to me we could just run higbee up the middle and that would ether take a safety out of double covering a wide out or we would have a line backer covering higbee. higbee seldom runs that middle seam so i think the coaches are happy with our deep threat.