There's a certain kind of fan...

[XXXIVwin]

I think it’s irritating for many when they were right about a player being bad from the start...
It’s not as much as an I told you so as an expression of frustration at what they felt was an obvious blunder and it’s worse when a regular fan can recognize it.

That moment for me was when the Rams drafted Lawrence Phillipps. Hoped they'd pick anyone but him.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

That moment for me was when the Rams drafted Lawrence Phillipps. Hoped they'd pick anyone but him.

For me it was Jimmy Kennedy. After watching him play at my alma mater for four yeas I was in total disbelief when they wasted a first round pick on him.

 

[Loyal]

For me it was Jimmy Kennedy. After watching him play at my alma mater for four yeas I was in total disbelief when they wasted a first round pick on him.

Damione Lewis was worse

 

[TexasRam]

By definition a person who wants to be right over his team succeeding is not a true fan.

Those people are called trolls and they don’t last here.

To assume Coaches/GM’s make perfect decisions every offseason is fantasy island. If you have been around long enough you will realize this isn’t even a debate.

That is why we discuss our opinions.

Giving opinions and providing evidence makes for great discussion.

Especially since this is a….. discussion board.

Allow people to have differing opinions and engage their argument and evidence. We are all going to be wrong many times over.

None of us are going to agree on everything but we can all agree to set aside name calling, labels and trolling in order to discuss Ram Football with our Ram Bro’s.

 

[dieterbrock]

If you're one of them, you know who you are.

If you're not, you know who I'm talking about.

There are some people who are fans of themselves first, and the team second.

Let me illustrate.

There are many fans, myself included, who worry about the Rams' decisions to select Tutu Atwell, while passing on the chance to take Creed Humphrey (or Josh Myers), and then to seemingly elevating Brian Allen to the starting lineup at center. It is entirely rational to look at Tutu and see an exciting, but potentially limited player at a "luxury" spot, and then lament seeing Humphrey and Myers (top prospects at a perceived high need position) securing starting jobs in KC and GB. Couple that with Allen's less than stellar history, and it is entirely reasonable to question whether the Rams might have made a mistake.

There are those, however, who don't leave it at that. There are those who will insist that the Rams blew it, even before any of these rookies plays a down in the regular season. Among those fans, there is yet another subset... those who will actually hope that Tutu and Allen fail, and that Humphrey and Myers succeed, so that their prognostication will prove correct. In other words, there are some fans who place "being right" above the teams' best interests.

Don't be that fan.

Sounds to me like you'll be the first guy to say "I told you so"
Don't be that guy

 

[NJRamsFan]

Imagine thinking you know the TRUE motivation behind what some stranger on the internet is typing. Someone you have never and will never meet. Determining that regardless of what they say, YOU know the truth about their fandom and they are a fan of themselves.

Seems pretty narcissistic to me.

 

[iamme33]

this thread was based on fans that won't give up thier belief that thier pick was the right one. but nothing is said about fans that except anything management does is the right thing to do as an example goff was going to be the qb that took us to many supper bowl untill he became a lion then he had all these flaws. so you have fans that think unless you fall in love with every player that becomes a ram you should just be ignored vs those who won't give up what they think is a better choice. to me all these threads that complane about how other posters post are just causing devision. i probably went a little overboard with the having to fall in love with every ram player but i just don't like this complaning about other posters

 

[Allen2McVay]

Goff got pummeled last year with a league-leading number of sacks, around 53 if I remember correctly.

You did not. Not even close.

Goff was sacked 23 times in 15 games. Rams' QBs were sacked a total of 25. Among the NFL's fewest!

 

[AvengerRam]

Sounds to me like you'll be the first guy to say "I told you so"
Don't be that guy

We should all hope that I have good cause to say that, no? I probably won’t bother, though, as I’ll be too busy partying like it’s 1999.

 

[AvengerRam]

Imagine thinking you know the TRUE motivation behind what some stranger on the internet is typing. Someone you have never and will never meet. Determining that regardless of what they say, YOU know the truth about their fandom and they are a fan of themselves.

Seems pretty narcissistic to me.

Yeah…that’s almost as bad as psychoanalyzing someone you have never met based on something he posted on an Internet forum.

 

[dieterbrock]

We should all hope that I have good cause to say that, no? I probably won’t bother, though, as I’ll be too busy partying like it’s 1999.

You'll party like its 1999 if Creed Humphrey is a stud and Tutu and Allen flame out?
Weird....

 

[Giles]

What is the point of this thread? If you don't like another posters opinion then scroll past it or better yet put them on ignore. Then you only see poster opinions that align with yours.

 

[PARAM]

Fans can have opinions. It’s part of the experience.

And so far Center appears to be the weakest link on the offensive line……again. I don’t believe fans think that means McVay is an idiot. They just don’t like the way he addresses the position, especially when there seems to be some misevaluation consistently at that one. The fans just want their team to be the best it possibly can.

NFL coaches make mistakes. They are only human. Even the good ones. I recall Pete Carroll calling a pass play at the goal line instead of running the ball, and the game ending in an Int. McVay’s mistake could be that he trusted Kromer’s opinion too much.

Absolutely fans can and do have opinions. It is part of the experience. And it's been my experience some fans believe their opinions to be fact. That's when it gets funny.

Center does seem to be.....or at least has been.....the weakest link on the offensive line. We had to sign an old, oft injured journeyman with a bad back in 2017. He played for 2 years (24-8). We promoted a 2018 4th round draft pick to C in 2019 and many thought it was still a weakness. In 2020, we resigned a journeyman (who played G along side the original journeyman C) after he took over for the injured 4th rounder and many still thought it was a weakness. Then the second journeyman surprises everybody and gets a deal in free agency from a 2 time Superbowl participant in the midst of rebuilding their O line. Now the injured 4th round pick has been re-inserted by at C and everybody thinks it's still a weakness.

As far as "fans just want their team to be the best", I agree.
As far as "they just don't like the way he addresses the position", I agree, they don't.
But he has yet to spend huge jack on the C position and still, we win.

As far as "I don't believe fans think that means McVay is an idiot", I'm not so sure. Why then, do they think they know better? Are they the idiot? Because somebody is, wouldn't you say? If he's got a glaring weakness....something that has been a glaring weakness.....and he refuses to address it with extreme prejudice, especially given multiple opportunities, wouldn't you say that's "idiotic"? Or is it not a weakness?

A conundrum for sure.

 

[AvengerRam]

You'll party like its 1999 if Creed Humphrey is a stud and Tutu and Allen flame out?
Weird....

That’s not at all what I said. Maybe you should start at the beginning and try again.

 

[AvengerRam]

What is the point of this thread? If you don't like another posters opinion then scroll past it or better yet put them on ignore. Then you only see poster opinions that align with yours.

Thank you for that response to my opinion. I hate it when people just scroll past my posts and ignore me.

 

[Memphis Ram]

That moment for me was when the Rams drafted Lawrence Phillipps. Hoped they'd pick anyone but him.

Was hoping for Tim Biakabutuka and Marvin Harrison instead of Phillips and Kennison.

Of course, the former blew out his knee and didn't do much either so what do I know?

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Absolutely fans can and do have opinions. It is part of the experience. And it's been my experience some fans believe their opinions to be fact. That's when it gets funny.

Center does seem to be.....or at least has been.....the weakest link on the offensive line. We had to sign an old, oft injured journeyman with a bad back in 2017. He played for 2 years (24-8). We promoted a 2018 4th round draft pick to C in 2019 and many thought it was still a weakness. In 2020, we resigned a journeyman (who played G along side the original journeyman C) after he took over for the injured 4th rounder and many still thought it was a weakness. Then the second journeyman surprises everybody and gets a deal in free agency from a 2 time Superbowl participant in the midst of rebuilding their O line. Now the injured 4th round pick has been re-inserted by at C and everybody thinks it's still a weakness.

As far as "fans just want their team to be the best", I agree.
As far as "they just don't like the way he addresses the position", I agree, they don't.
But he has yet to spend huge jack on the C position and still, we win.

As far as "I don't believe fans think that means McVay is an idiot", I'm not so sure. Why then, do they think they know better? Are they the idiot? Because somebody is, wouldn't you say? If he's got a glaring weakness....something that has been a glaring weakness.....and he refuses to address it with extreme prejudice, especially given multiple opportunities, wouldn't you say that's "idiotic"? Or is it not a weakness?

A conundrum for sure.

Let’s not pretend Blythe signed some big free agent deal to take the Chiefs to the Super Bowl.

And no nobody has to be the idiot. Is it inconceivable that a very good team with a good coach has a weakness? Are the Rams a flawless team? Blythe was t very good. Allen wasn’t very good. Maybe McVays weakness was having too much faith in Kromer? Maybe this off-season Carberry said he could improve Evans. Who knows. But the weakest spot on the team currently is looking like center. Maybe Allen surprises everyone but until then I get the trepidation.

 

[PARAM]

Let’s not pretend Blythe signed some big free agent deal to take the Chiefs to the Super Bowl.

And no nobody has to be the idiot. Is it inconceivable that a very good team with a good coach has a weakness? Are the Rams a flawless team? Blythe was t very good. Allen wasn’t very good. Maybe McVays weakness was having too much faith in Kromer? Maybe this off-season Carberry said he could improve Evans. Who knows. But the weakest spot on the team currently is looking like center. Maybe Allen surprises everyone but until then I get the trepidation.

So we've sucked at C and gone 43-21? And that's a weakness? Maybe it's hard to have pro bowl players at every position? Maybe fans evaluations are just that....easy chair evaluations; Monday evaluations; etc.

FWIW, I thought Sullivan served a terrific purpose and was lucky. He was just the right guy to make the line calls and snap the ball to an inexperienced QB. He was lucky he made it 2 years. Allen took over for him in 2019 and got much criticism. Blythe took over for him mid season and continued in 2020. Of the 3, IMHO Blythe was #3. I think the McVay playbook was pared more for Blythe than Goff. But I have no way to confirm that assumption.

I watch the QB, RB and WRs during games and take notice of the O line when they pick up a blitz, block downfield or blow a block. Consequently, I couldn't evaluate any of the 3 centers. Last year, when fans were saying Blythe was better than Allen, I went to GamePass to watch the first half of 2019. IMHO, Allen was decent at C. Even better because of his 4th round draft slot. Was he pro bowl material? No. But he wasn't as bad as most made him seem to be. Early in week 6, once Noteboom went down the line changed. It's conceivable Allen was charged with helping the rookie Edwards (a tackle at Wisconsin). So 5 games was the length of any fair evaluation on Allen, unfair to the 1st year starter. And by week 9 he was gone along with Havenstein.

But for all the angst, anger and criticism of Allen, the offense averaged 28 PPG over those first 5 weeks with 2 first year starters inserted. And the Rams were 3-2, a missed 44 yard FG at the gun from 4-1. Admittedly, I'm no OL aficionado but to this laymen's eye test, I didn't see reason for all the angst. With the offense's production, even less. Now, the "insiders" are saying Allen has bulked up and looks good at C. If he is, then I guess McVay ain't as ignorant of our weaknesses as some think. We'll see.

 

[dieterbrock]

That’s not at all what I said. Maybe you should start at the beginning and try again.

OF course it's not what you said, it's just what you meant.

 

[AvengerRam]

OF course it's not what you said, it's just what you meant.

You see...party like it’s 1999 is, in addition to being a reference to the Prince song, harkens back to the year when the Rams made their championship run.

Didn’t you get the memo?