theramswire: Coach McVay on AD being held

[Young Ram]

Wait, which Cupp TD are you talking about now? The one where he was 5 steps past Barr? Whatever, have a nice day.

So then WHY didn’t Barr just hold him and get 5 yards instead of the TD? That’s exactly what you’re arguing!

Agree to disagree. Good day sir.

 

[tklongball]

The offense could get a penalty and back them up or they could get sacked or stuffed. It happens all the time. You’re assuming it would be a gimme TD at the 1. So why didn’t the defender just tackle him to give the offense a harder shot at the TD??

OK, I will try this one more time. Which play are you talking about now? The situation I was talking about was the Brandon Cooks TD against MN, but you don't seem to want to talk about that play. If it is the long TD by Cupp, he was 5 steps ahead of Barr, so Barr couldn't have tackled him if he wanted to.

Yes, 1st and goal at the 1 instead of a TD is a Win for the Defense, but not as big of a win as a 15 yard penalty instead of a 50 yard TD would be, which goes directly to my argument. Do you not see the incentive for the Defense to commit PI under a larger set of scenarios if it was only a 15 yard penalty?

 

[tklongball]

So then WHY didn’t Barr just hold him and get 5 yards instead of the TD? That’s exactly what you’re arguing!

Agree to disagree. Good day sir.

Sorry, we are not talking about defensive holding. Again, not what I was discussing.

 

[Young Ram]

OK, I will try this one more time. Which play are you talking about now? The situation I was talking about was the Brandon Cooks TD against MN, but you don't seem to want to talk about that play.

Here I am talking about the same play as you are. The cooks TD. So if it’s a win for the D to give them 1st and goal at the one then WHY didn’t the defender just tackle him?

Yes, 1st and goal at the 1 instead of a TD is a Win for the Defense, but not as big of a win as a 15 yard penalty instead of a 50 yard TD would be, which goes directly to my argument. Do you not see the incentive for the Defense to commit PI under a larger set of scenarios if it was only a 15 yard penalty?

There are more variables in place.

1. On a long pass the offensive line has to give the QB time for the play to develop.

2. The QB has to throw a catchable ball.

3. The receiver has to catch the ball.

So if I’m the defender do I automatically assume that all 3 will happen and just interfere with the receiver and give up 15 yards and a first OR do I try to play good defense and give up ZERO yards?

 

[Young Ram]

Sorry, we are not talking about defensive holding. Again, not what I was discussing.

Yea you’re not but it’s similar scenarios. Barr could have held on to Kupp once he knew he was going to get beat. It would have been 5 yards instead of the TD.

Same thing, you’re saying well if it’s only 15 yards for PI, what’s to stop from defenders just interfering and giving up the 15 instead of the TD? Do you not see the similarities in these scenarios?

 

[tklongball]

Yea you’re not but it’s similar scenarios. Barr could have held on to Kupp once he knew he was going to get beat. It would have been 5 yards instead of the TD.

Same thing, you’re saying well if it’s only 15 yards for PI, what’s to stop from defenders just interfering and giving up the 15 instead of the TD? Do you not see the similarities in these scenarios?

But DH is VERY different from PI. Come on, you know that. The QB doesn't even have to throw to your man for DH to be called, it doesn't have to be a catchable ball, it is COMPLETELY different. PI only happens while the ball is in the air and it has to be catchable.

Look, we aren't getting anywhere. I have work to do. We just have to disagree. Go Rams.

 

[iamme33]

I think i yell at the screen for opposing teams holding Donald every play. Then again, if they called it every time they should and stopped the game, McVay is right, that would get old just as quick.

lets see you can't hit a qb high you can't hit him low and when you do hit him you can't put your weight on him. I think the refs get the idea that qb needs protection so they let a lot of holding go. I would not be surprised if there is more holding calls on runs then on passes. the nfl is afraid that losing starting qb will cost ratings but I think these protect the qb rules cost rating too. I wonder if the nfl noticed that last year the nfc championship was played by 2 teams that had back up qb and the super bowl was won by a back up. that did not seem like it hurt ratings. I would hate to see the nfl become like the nba where it is almost illegal to play defense and game are won with scores of 120 to115

 

[Tano]

If you're a CB manned up outside the hashes and the WR gets a step on you, the prevailing response will be to tackle his @$$ the moment you think he's lookin for the ball. Defenses will take a 15 yard penalty over a PI for 40 yards all day every day.

Any tackle would be blatant. I also think it should be grounds for being kicked out of the game if you get 2 blatant violations.