theramswire: Coach McVay on AD being held

[Young Ram]

I don't know how you would play it, but if I am 50 yards down field, and the throw is on target, and PI is only 15 yards, there is NO WAY that WR is catching that ball. ESPECIALLY if we are near the endzone.

Not always are defenders in position to make a play. Recivers do get separation you know.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

If they called more holding, then the blatant holds would stop. The way it is now, the each Olinemen may as well have a lasso and throw it around Donald's neck.

It isn't the usual holding that is the problem. It's the so-ridiculous-that-my-dog-howls-holding that is the problem. Those have to be called. It's ruining the game. Those non calls stop big defensive momentum swings, extend drives and lead to opponents scoring.

The NFL should look at the holding rules and clarify them, if they want to make changes and tell refs not to call holding on pass plays. Draw a motherfuckingline! Define it.

 

[Merlin]

Receivers drop balls. It’s not a guarantee they will catch it. Assuming he would have and gifting them all that yardage is stupid. If the reciever catches the ball while being interfered, tack on 15 to where he caught the ball.

You let DBs know that they can take a foul vs risking a chance to get beat deep and it's gonna be them mugging wideouts all day long.

We're gonna have to disagree big time on this one.

 

[tklongball]

Not always are defenders in position to make a play. Recivers do get separation you know.

Of Course. And? So those would have nothing to do with a PI Call? What is your point?

 

[Tano]

You let DBs know that they can take a foul vs risking a chance to get beat deep and it's gonna be them mugging wideouts all day long.

We're gonna have to disagree big time on this one.

I wouldn't mind it if it was 15 yards for most interference calls and spot of the foul or 15 yards (whichever is greater) for blatant interference. That would stop the muggings.

 

[Young Ram]

You let DBs know that they can take a foul vs risking a chance to get beat deep and it's gonna be them mugging wideouts all day long.

We're gonna have to disagree big time on this one.

Again they mug all day long and give the offense 15 yards and a first down repeatedly. Don’t understand why a team would do this all game long.

 

[Young Ram]

Of Course. And? So those would have nothing to do with a PI Call? What is your point?

My point is that defenders don’t always have a chance to PI on down field throws. If they do the offense would gladly take 15 yards and a first down. Defensive holding is only 5 yards but why do you think defenders don’t do it so often? Wouldn’t you think if they were getting beat they would just hold on to the reciever? Giving an automatic first down is why.

 

[tklongball]

My point is that defenders don’t always have a chance to PI on down field throws. If they do the offense would gladly take 15 yards and a first down. Defensive holding is only 5 yards but why do you think defenders don’t do it so often? Wouldn’t you think if they were getting beat they would just hold on to the reciever? Giving an automatic first down is why.

They don't do it because it gets called even if the ball isn't thrown to them. Apples and Oranges.

Let me ask you, if you are covering a WR downfield (30+ Yards), and he has a step on you, and the throw is on target, you know that the WR has, what, a 90%+ chance of catching an on target pass, so you are going to let him catch it and get 30-40-50 yards and possibly a TD, or are you going to tackle him and only give up 15 yards?

100% chance of 15 yards, or
90% chance of 30, 40, 50 or more yards?

I know what I would do, and what DBs would do, and what D Coordinators would teach.

If you don't see the logic to that, I don't know what to tell you.

 

[T-REX]

https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/offensive-holding/

 

[Young Ram]

They don't do it because it gets called even if the ball isn't thrown to them. Apples and Oranges.

Let me ask you, if you are covering a WR downfield (30+ Yards), and he has a step on you, and the throw is on target, you know that the WR has, what, a 90%+ chance of catching an on target pass, so you are going to let him catch it and get 30-40-50 yards and possibly a TD, or are you going to tackle him and only give up 15 yards?

How exactly am I going to tackle him if he has a step on me?

I know what I would do, and what DBs would do, and what D Coordinators would teach.

If you don't see the logic to that, I don't know what to tell you.

D coordinations would teach to give the offense 15 yards and a first down repeatedly if they get beat? Yea I don’t buy that. 2 of these calls in a single drive would flip field position. Offenses would love if defenders would be taught to PI every time they would get beat.

College football has this rule in place and they are doing just fine.

In a time where fans complain about bad calls, this rule would protect the defense from ticky tacky calls but also reward the offense with 15 yards and a first.

 

[majrleaged]

Seriously? You think teams will gift 15 yards and a first down every time? Cmon

Not every time, but let's say your team was down by 6 points with no time left in the game. They throw a hail Mary. Do you think any of the wide receivers would have any chance to catch the ball? It would be a situational thing of course.

 

[Young Ram]

Not every time, but let's say your team was down by 6 points with no time left in the game. They throw a hail Mary. Do you think any of the wide receivers would have any chance to catch the ball? It would be a situational thing of course.

The penalty won’t end the game. It would get the offense closer to the goal line. And if the defense does it again they get even closer. So now the offense has better play selection because they are closer to the goal line than throwing a Hail Mary.

 

[Merlin]

I wouldn't mind it if it was 15 yards for most interference calls and spot of the foul or 15 yards (whichever is greater) for blatant interference. That would stop the muggings.

If you're a CB manned up outside the hashes and the WR gets a step on you, the prevailing response will be to tackle his @$$ the moment you think he's lookin for the ball. Defenses will take a 15 yard penalty over a PI for 40 yards all day every day.

 

[majrleaged]

The penalty won’t end the game. It would get the offense closer to the goal line. And if the defense does it again they get even closer. So now the offense has better play selection because they are closer to the goal line than throwing a Hail Mary.

The penalty won’t end the game. It would get the offense closer to the goal line. And if the defense does it again they get even closer. So now the offense has better play selection because they are closer to the goal line than throwing a Hail Mary.

Look, I just think it would create a situation where the defender would choose to give up 15 yards under certain circumstances. We would see even more penalties and less long passes.

 

[tklongball]

How exactly am I going to tackle him if he has a step on me?



D coordinations would teach to give the offense 15 yards and a first down repeatedly if they get beat?

On the first question, I hope you are not serious.

On the second, that is a strawman of what I said.

We will have to disagree on this. I will just ask, if you are on offense, and throw a deep ball, what will clearly be a touchdown, and the DB tackles your WR, are you going to really be happy with a 15 yard penalty instead of a 60 yard touchdown?

Think Brandon Cooks touchdown against the Vikings. You think the rams would have been happy with a 15 yard Penalty instead of a 48 yard Touchdown? How about the vikings? Do you think the DC would teach, or the DB would play a different tactic/strategy if the penalty was 15 yards? And yes, Cooks had a step on him, and yes the defender could have tackled him.

 

[Young Ram]

On the first question, I hope you are not serious.

Cooper Kupp’s TD against the Vikings. He clearly had a step on Barr. Wouldn’t you think bar would tackle him instead of giving up the TD?

On the second, that is a strawman of what I said.

We will have to disagree on this. I will just ask, if you are on offense, and throw a deep ball, what will clearly be a touchdown, and the DB tackles your WR, are you going to really be happy with a 15 yard penalty instead of a 60 yard touchdown?

Think Brandon Cooks touchdown against the Vikings. You think the rams would have been happy with a 15 yard Penalty instead of a 48 yard Touchdown? How about the vikings? Do you think the DC would teach, or the DB would play a different tactic/strategy if the penalty was 15 yards? And yes, Cooks had a step on him, and yes the defender could have tackled him.

So why didn’t the defender tackle him then instead of giving up the TD?

 

[tklongball]

Cooper Kupp’s TD against the Vikings. He clearly had a step on Barr. Wouldn’t you think bar would tackle him instead of giving up the TD?



So why didn’t the defender tackle him then instead of giving up the TD?

Wow, OK
Because 1st and goal at the 1 is VERY DIFFERENT than 1st and 10 from the 33. Hence what this entire discussion has been about.

And with that I am out. I guess we just disagree on this. Have a good one.

 

[Young Ram]

Look, I just think it would create a situation where the defender would choose to give up 15 yards under certain circumstances. We would see even more penalties and less long passes.

I disagree. Again, college football had this rule in place and you don’t see PI as often as you’d think.

 

[tklongball]

Wait, which Cupp TD are you talking about now? The one where he was 5 steps past Barr? Whatever, have a nice day.

 

[Young Ram]

Wow, OK
Because 1st and goal at the 1 is VERY DIFFERENT than 1st and 10 from the 33. Hence what this entire discussion has been about.

And with that I am out. I guess we just disagree on this. Have a good one.

The offense could get a penalty and back them up or they could get sacked or stuffed. It happens all the time. You’re assuming it would be a gimme TD at the 1. So why didn’t the defender just tackle him to give the offense a harder shot at the TD??