What I'm wondering is even if Gurley didn't have complete control of the ball, he was touching it after he stepped out of bounds before it hit the pylon. Isn't the ball considered dead when a player who is out of bounds touches it?
The Gurley "fumble" Touchback
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You're right, it does. You have to break the plane to touch the pylon.
Not sure why anyone would try to debate otherwise.
Yep, the refs screwed us:
https://www.si.com/nfl/audibles/2012/12/23/randall-cobb-takes-advantage-of-bizarre-nfl-rule
The NFL's rule regarding that play is the same as on a fumble: If any part of a player's body is out of bounds when he makes contact with the football, the ball is considered out of bounds as well.
https://www.si.com/nfl/audibles/2012/12/23/randall-cobb-takes-advantage-of-bizarre-nfl-rule
The NFL's rule regarding that play is the same as on a fumble: If any part of a player's body is out of bounds when he makes contact with the football, the ball is considered out of bounds as well.
He fumbled. certainly. But for the purposes of a TD at least, the ball has to go inside of the pylon. Hitting the outer edge does not count as a TD. The pylon is certainly not inside the end zone.
From my perspective, ball comes out, Gurley steps out, ball bounces off the pylon into Gurley's hand. The ball hit the pylon before Gurley touched it.
i always thought if ball hits pylon its a td, never seen it not be.
The ball was touching his hand. The only debate would be control. But that's irrelevant (now that I confirmed the rule). That should have been a dead ball at the 1.
Still dont think refs screwed us. Dont matter. We lost. Could have won many other times and they screwed the pooch. Shit happens. Learn from it and move on. Time to focus on Jags.
The front of the pylon is the same as the plain of the goal line. Bad break for TG and the Rams.
I don't think the refs screwed us - but that is the third time this year the decision of the refs of when to call a TD vs not a TD has gone against us in that the review (or lack thereof) has directly hurt the team. If they had called Gurley out, there is no way Seattle challenges it to get a turnover.
Here's the video:
View: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000858488/Thomas-makes-nifty-play-to-turn-would-be-Gurley-TD-into-fumble
Rule is that if Gurley is touching the ball when his foot steps out, the play is dead. It doesn't matter if he has control. He only has to be touching the ball. It should have been a dead ball at the 1. The refs blew the call.
Yea, it doesn't accomplish anything to be pissed now, but I also think it's fucked up that we keep ending up on the wrong end of these missed calls.
View: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000858488/Thomas-makes-nifty-play-to-turn-would-be-Gurley-TD-into-fumble
Rule is that if Gurley is touching the ball when his foot steps out, the play is dead. It doesn't matter if he has control. He only has to be touching the ball. It should have been a dead ball at the 1. The refs blew the call.
Yea, it doesn't accomplish anything to be pissed now, but I also think it's fucked up that we keep ending up on the wrong end of these missed calls.
Wow great catch completely overlooked that
I very well could be wrong but I'm 99% sure that any part of the pylon is a td because if the pylon isn't there impeding the balls path it would cross the goal line. Now a light touch on the outside of pylon could be different but to hit the outside and make the pylon move I believe would be a touchdown.
Either way IIRC Gurleys case the ball hit the top of pylon
It so close. It looks like he loses the ball and steps out at the same time. It seems impossible to tell if he is still in contact with the ball when his foot hits the ground. I don't think he is.
