The 2024 Plan

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I don’t think they are tanking in 2023 in the traditional sense. Maybe they are realistic and hoping young guys step up with the opportunities given with an improved overall coaching staff.

But let’s be honest, even if they were tanking - they absolutely would not say it and instead would say things similar to what’s currently being said.
 
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Pretty sure their eyes are not on 2023. Letting 3 key defensive players go and without a plan to replace them makes it obvious. Letting two more key defensive players leave in free agency is even more obvious.

Gaines and Robinson still haven't signed elsewhere. But I don't hear of any rumblings the Rams are trying to re-sign either of them. Out of eleven starters that is almost 50 percent of their starting defense.

I don't think any team sets out at the beginning to tank. Its not in a professional player or coach's DNA to purposely slack off and lose. But as the season goes on if things are that bad I'm pretty sure the pressure is off and losing isn't considered a bad thing at that point. Which means the high intensity and desire isn't as strong.
 

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Pretty sure their eyes are not on 2023. Letting 3 key defensive players go and without a plan to replace them makes it obvious. Letting two more key defensive players leave in free agency is even more obvious.

Gaines and Robinson still haven't signed elsewhere. But I don't hear of any rumblings the Rams are trying to re-sign either of them. Out of eleven starters that is almost 50 percent of their starting defense.

I don't think any team sets out at the beginning to tank. Its not in a professional player or coach's DNA to purposely slack off and lose. But as the season goes on if things are that bad I'm pretty sure the pressure is off and losing isn't considered a bad thing at that point. Which means the high intensity and desire isn't as strong.
"Without a plan to replace them"? That's assuming a lot. I don't think we can determine what the plan is other than saying, "well they haven't replaced them yet, so it looks like there's no plan". They can't "replace" Leonard Floyd or Bobby Wagner? Sure they can. Not the leadership qualities they both may bring but talent-wise? Sure. Replacing Ramsey is a different story. I'd bet there aren't many free agents who fit that category. So they're going to have to bring along the youngsters. Perhaps draft a young stud CB (our first pick in this draft?).

You brought up a very good point in another thread. Fixing the offense is paramount. And shouldn't that take some heat off the defense? You also said, (paraphrasing) in years prior to McVay, we were used to watching youngsters develop in the latter stages of lost seasons. I don't think we're gonna see a "lost season" from McVay. I wouldn't rule out making the postseason, though we probably won't have the guns to do much damage there. But that is way better than prior to McVay.

Can we live with that?

Man they can go so many ways in this draft. CB, Edge, TE, RB, OL, WR, QB. What I'd like to see is a trade down in the 2nd. Maybe 5 or 6 spots to pick up another 3rd, if we included one of our 5th rounders. Wouldn't it be helpful to have four picks in the first 77 selections? From say, 41-77? Edge, CB, OL, TE or RB? As it stands right now we've got 3 picks in the first 77 selections....more than we've ever had since McVay arrived. Make that 4 and it might seem like Christmas in April!!
 

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Man they can go so many ways in this draft. CB, Edge, TE, RB, OL, WR, QB. What I'd like to see is a trade down in the 2nd. Maybe 5 or 6 spots to pick up another 3rd, if we included one of our 5th rounders. Wouldn't it be helpful to have four picks in the first 77 selections? From say, 41-77? Edge, CB, OL, TE or RB? As it stands right now we've got 3 picks in the first 77 selections....more than we've ever had since McVay arrived. Make that 4 and it might seem like Christmas in April!!
We do have plenty of picks this draft. But that is for 2024 and later. Its hard enough to find an immediate contributor on day one. Expecting several starters on day's 2 and 3 would be naive. They have to run with what they have and maybe hope one or two of the rookies can contribute immediately.

I do agree it would be nice to drop further down in the second to pick up an extra 3rd. We currently have 3 picks on day 2. The draft calculator I used says number 36 would have similar value to low 50's and mid 80's. If there is a team out there who covets a player near that early second pick maybe they can pull it off. 4 picks in the top 90 could help build something for the future.
 

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My main target for 2024 is Andrew Thomas. We're clearing the cap and he can slot in at LT for many many years if we secure him.
Unfortunately, as much as I'd love to hand pick some great FA's in 2024, there is almost zero chance that the teams don't at least franchise tag these elite players. If they don't, sign me up for Thomas/Herbert combo!
 

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Rams don't take a dump without a plan son. Really interested to see what their defensive rebuild looks like for 2023
 

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Don't forget about Matt Gay signing the richest FA contract for a K ever. Not sure how that factors into the comp formula, but it's not nothing.
Good point.

I don't have any idea what kind of comp pick that could bring back.
 

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Being 100 million under the cap would allow the Rams to address whatever weaknesses they have on the team through free agency and the draft. Not saying they need need super stars at those positions, just solid players along with the super stars they already have. It also allows them to construct both the defense and the offense according to the way they want to run the team.
 

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I don’t think they are tanking in 2023 in the traditional sense. Maybe they are realistic and hoping young guys step up with the opportunities given with an improved overall coaching staff.

But let’s be honest, even if they were tanking - they absolutely would not say it and instead would say things similar to what’s currently being said.
Agree on the bold.

Yeah, I wouldn't call 23 a tank year, at all.
I'd call it a developmental year and a critical one, at that, both for young players and the extensive changes to the coaching staff.
 

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We do have plenty of picks this draft. But that is for 2024 and later. Its hard enough to find an immediate contributor on day one. Expecting several starters on day's 2 and 3 would be naive. They have to run with what they have and maybe hope one or two of the rookies can contribute immediately.

I do agree it would be nice to drop further down in the second to pick up an extra 3rd. We currently have 3 picks on day 2. The draft calculator I used says number 36 would have similar value to low 50's and mid 80's. If there is a team out there who covets a player near that early second pick maybe they can pull it off. 4 picks in the top 90 could help build something for the future.
Sure it's hard to find immediate contributors. Not impossible. Especially at certain positions

#35 Roger McCreary (CB - 17 starts, 84 tackles, 1 int)
#36 Breece Hall (RB)
#37 Jalen Pitre (S - 3 int, 90 tackles)
#41 Kenneth Walker (RB- 1,000 yds)
#48 Jaquon Brisker (S - 73 tackes, 4 sacks)
#73 Jelani Woods (TE - 25 rec; 3 TD)
#106 Cade Otton (TE - 42 rec; 2 TD)
#109 Coby Bryant (CB - 17 gp, 6 GS)
#139 Isaih Likely (TE - 36 rec; 3 TD)
#153 Tariq Woolen (CB -17 Gp, 6 Int)
#217 James Houston (OLB - 8 sacks)

Seattle found 2 starting CBs in the draft last year (#109 and #153)
It can be done......finding immediate help in the draft in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

Hell, who are we to say Durant and Kendricks won't be a good combo for the forseeable future.
 
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Definitely hope part of the plan is to draft a RB at some point. Malcom Brown had the highest per carry avg. last season. Don't trust Akers at all.
 

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Sure it's hard to find immediate contributors. Not impossible. Especially at certain positions

#35 Roger McCreary (CB - 17 starts, 84 tackles, 1 int)
#36 Breece Hall (RB)
#37 Jalen Pitre (S - 3 int, 90 tackles)
#41 Kenneth Walker (RB- 1,000 yds)
#48 Jaquon Brisker (S - 73 tackes, 4 sacks)
#73 Jelani Woods (TE - 25 rec; 3 TD)
#106 Cade Otton (TE - 42 rec; 2 TD)
#109 Coby Bryant (CB - 17 gp, 6 GS)
#139 Isaih Likely (TE - 36 rec; 3 TD)
#153 Tariq Woolen (CB -17 Gp, 6 Int)
#217 James Houston (OLB - 8 sacks)

Seattle found 2 starting CBs in the draft last year (#109 and #153)
It can be done......finding immediate help in the draft in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

Hell, who are we to say Durant and Kendricks won't be a good combo for the forseeable future.
I just played around with the PFF mock draft simulator and got 8 picks in the first 150 of the draft.
I would absolutely play it that way unless there was someone at 36 they feel is an absolute difference maker.
 

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I just played around with the PFF mock draft simulator and got 8 picks in the first 150 of the draft.
I would absolutely play it that way unless there was someone at 36 they feel is an absolute difference maker.
If you look at the draftek value chart (https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp) and play around with the draft order, they could easily drop down 5 or 6 spots (and include one of their 5th round picks) to get another 3rd (from Cleve) or a 4th (from Tennessee). They could still get a good player at #41 or #42 and have 3 more before the end of the third round. Of course that's easy to figure, not so easy to find a trade partner. The nice thing about the way the draft is now constructed, after the first round teams get 24 hours to evaluate which way they want to go (up to get somebody or down) and it gives them plenty of time to get a deal in place.
 

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As long as McVay doesnt leave, we'll be in good shape for a while. Last year was bad luck and injuries fucked us hard. This year I think we take our foot off the pedal a bit and prepare for 2024. McVay has never had a 1st round pick in 7 years. We will maximize the potential for that next year. Plus salary cap clears up a ton. We just need to make sure AD is content with the plan. If not we need to move him IMO and that hurts to say but if we finish with 5 wins this year and he retires that will be crippling.
 

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To me, it looks like the Rams are setting up for 2024. Cutting and trading high-cap defensive players is the catalyst for the future. This 2023 draft class will be very important for 2024 and beyond. Improving the offensive line would be a big step toward improving the Rams record. Maybe they can find cap space to sign a free agent for the offensive line. If not putting some draft capital to work on the offensive line could help the offense get back to top 10.

I'll call 2023 a transition year. I don't see McVay letting the team give up. They could surprise us with some young talent stepping up.
 

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"Without a plan to replace them"? That's assuming a lot. I don't think we can determine what the plan is other than saying, "well they haven't replaced them yet, so it looks like there's no plan". They can't "replace" Leonard Floyd or Bobby Wagner? Sure they can. Not the leadership qualities they both may bring but talent-wise? Sure. Replacing Ramsey is a different story. I'd bet there aren't many free agents who fit that category. So they're going to have to bring along the youngsters. Perhaps draft a young stud CB (our first pick in this draft?).

You brought up a very good point in another thread. Fixing the offense is paramount. And shouldn't that take some heat off the defense? You also said, (paraphrasing) in years prior to McVay, we were used to watching youngsters develop in the latter stages of lost seasons. I don't think we're gonna see a "lost season" from McVay. I wouldn't rule out making the postseason, though we probably won't have the guns to do much damage there. But that is way better than prior to McVay.

Can we live with that?

Man they can go so many ways in this draft. CB, Edge, TE, RB, OL, WR, QB. What I'd like to see is a trade down in the 2nd. Maybe 5 or 6 spots to pick up another 3rd, if we included one of our 5th rounders. Wouldn't it be helpful to have four picks in the first 77 selections? From say, 41-77? Edge, CB, OL, TE or RB? As it stands right now we've got 3 picks in the first 77 selections....more than we've ever had since McVay arrived. Make that 4 and it might seem like Christmas in April!!
If we only use the draft to replace the guys we lost, we aren't making the playoffs unless they absolutely nail the draft, which is highly unlikely. It's going to be a tough season if we go that route.
 

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Explaining Rams’ Offseason Moves & Cap Space Situation Moving Forward​


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The Los Angeles Rams made it clear that this offseason would look a little different than the ones of years past. They no longer could afford to go big-fish hunting in the hopes of building a star-laden roster. Instead, Les Snead and the Rams front office had to get creative just to get below the salary cap.

L.A. has already made four major money-saving moves to begin the free agency period. The first was releasing both Bobby Wagner and Leonard Floyd, neither of whom has signed elsewhere yet. They also let go of kicker Matt Gay, who signed a historic deal with the Indianapolis Colts.

Finally, they traded All-Pro cornerback Jalen Ramsey to the Miami Dolphins for a third-round draft pick and tight end Hunter Long. Ramsey still has a significant amount — $26 million in guaranteed money — owed over the next two seasons, and the Rams felt it was best to move off of him and get some draft capital as opposed to having to cut him and suffer a dead cap hit of over $30 million.

So now that all of those moves have been done, the question becomes where the Rams stand as they progress through the offseason. All salary cap figures are via OverTheCap.

Unfortunately, the team still does not have enough money to make any significant improvements. They have the sixth-lowest available cap space in the NFL, with just about $8.4 million. That by itself might be enough to get a solid player, but that’s before accounting for draft picks and reaching the roster minimum.

That category — known as effective cap space — has the Rams in fourth-to-last. They have just $1.2 million in effective cap space, with only the Philadelphia Eagles, Minnesota Vikings and Tampa Bay Buccaneers in a worse position.

There is good news for Rams fans who are hoping to build a contender in the near future. This cap misfortune may only be a one-year issue. If the Rams do not make any more moves that affect the 2024 salary cap sheet — such as signing a player to a multi-year contract — they are currently projected to have $55.5 million in cap space next offseason.

They will also have $38.8 million in effective cap space. And there is still room to clear more space if needed by doing moves like trading Allen Robinson and restructuring a few of the top-end contracts.

The Rams could be sitting in a very good spot just one year from today, but it may be at the cost of another difficult season if the Rams remaining stars cannot turn things around.