That clock stoppage at the end...

[Selassie I]

Well, I still do not agree with that analysis. It can be judged in this case. The receiver has got up, is sitting up, and making time-out calls with his hands, and all that is STILL with 1 second showing on the clock. He clearly gave himself up. Sight only takes 1/10 of 1 second to travel to your brain, so there was enough time to judge and make the call.

The point is... the first thing that has to happen is the actual catch needs to be confirmed. That ref could not do that because the receiver's back was to him... so unless he has x-ray vision, he could not call the ball dead yet. Those things are spelled out in order in the NFL Rulebook pages I posted. There is a very specific order of things that has to happen BEFORE a player can be declared as given-up, and when the ball can be whistled dead, and then when the time out can be called. All of those things cannot happen together at the speed of light even if the ref could see if the catch was actually made. And like I said, he 100% could not see the ball, so he could not have made the call of the catch being successful. That has to be the first thing that happens BEFORE the ref could start the process of considering if the player had in fact made it clear that he had given himself up on the play without being touched (that process if done correctly simply CANNOT be performed in 2 seconds... it takes longer than that just so the defender and refs can declare him as given up). THEN, only after the ball is called out of play, the player is allowed to call a legal timeout and have that timeout awarded. It is 100% impossible for all of those things to happen simultaneously... they have to take place in order, and each step of the process requires more time than was even left on the clock.

I don't give a shit if you agree with it or not... I didn't write the NFL rules. Those were written by real football experts. They wrote those rules the way they did intentionally so that there wouldn't be a Grey area of what can be called and when.

All of those steps required way more time individually to call the what was.

 

[Selassie I]

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You can see the ref already waiving his arms
They were clearly alerted that they were calling timeout immediately (which is totally by the rules and done all the time)

Well... the rules that I posted state otherwise. You cannot call a timeout ahead of time. Sure you can alert the ref that you are going to do it... that way the ref cannot say that he didn't notice you calling the timeout right away... but no timeout can be called until the ball is actually called dead first... then you can call the timeout and be legally granted it. That is the actual rule. All of that simply cannot happen simultaneously... the steps must be followed in order and that means some time must come off the clock while the steps are being completed in order.

 

[SWAdude]

The point is... the first thing that has to happen is the actual catch needs to be confirmed. That ref could not do that because the receiver's back was to him... so unless he has x-ray vision, he could not call the ball dead yet. Those things are spelled out in order in the NFL Rulebook pages I posted. There is a very specific order of things that has to happen BEFORE a player can be declared as given-up, and when the ball can be whistled dead, and then when the time out can be called. All of those things cannot happen together at the speed of light even if the ref could see if the catch was actually made. And like I said, he 100% could not see the ball, so he could not have made the call of the catch being successful. That has to be the first thing that happens BEFORE the ref could start the process of considering if the player had in fact made it clear that he had given himself up on the play without being touched (that process if done correctly simply CANNOT be performed in 2 seconds... it takes longer than that just so the defender and refs can declare him as given up). THEN, only after the ball is called out of play, the player is allowed to call a legal timeout and have that timeout awarded. It is 100% impossible for all of those things to happen simultaneously... they have to take place in order, and each step of the process requires more time than was even left on the clock.

I don't give a shit if you agree with it or not... I didn't write the NFL rules. Those were written by real football experts. They wrote those rules the way they did intentionally so that there wouldn't be a Grey area of what can be called and when.

All of those steps required way more time individually to call the what was.

^^^^This^^^^

I watched the All-22 and having a clear view of the play from the stands there is no way the ref who called the time out had a clear view of the play. Another ref who had a much better view of the play did nothing but run towards the player. The ref who called the timeout was right next to the Seachikins bench and coaches. The play must be completed before the timeout can be called. That clearly did not happen.

The clock at the very least should have gone to zero until review. It stopped at 1. Three or four things can't happen all at once with this play. And for the clock operator to be that quick to me is unreasonable. The clock stoppage at 1 is very telling to me. And the entire Ram nation I was around at the game.

 

[Snaz]

Before the play, I'm sure the receivers and the refs were all aware of the clock, and the need to call a timeout.
So therefore the after the catch, the give himself up is assumed, so it is a moot point.
If he got up then I'd have an issue with it. He didn't, play was dead at that moment. Even if the ref couldn't see the catch, the moment he caught it and was down, play was over.

 

[dieterbrock]

Well... the rules that I posted state otherwise. You cannot call a timeout ahead of time. Sure you can alert the ref that you are going to do it... that way the ref cannot say that he didn't notice you calling the timeout right away... but no timeout can be called until the ball is actually called dead first... then you can call the timeout and be legally granted it. That is the actual rule. All of that simply cannot happen simultaneously... the steps must be followed in order and that means some time must come off the clock while the steps are being completed in order.

Once his knee hit the ground they called the timeout from the sidelines. He caught it at 2 sec. The coach was right next to the ref.
I watched it frame by frame and it was fine.
The refs aren’t even looking at the clock at that moment they watch the play and blew the whistle when time out was called.
What was bullshit was the PI on the play before it.

 

[SWAdude]

Once his knee hit the ground they called the timeout from the sidelines. He caught it at 2 sec. The coach was right next to the ref.
I watched it frame by frame and it was fine.
The refs aren’t even looking at the clock at that moment they watch the play and blew the whistle when time out was called.
What was bullshit was the PI on the play before it.

I don't think the clock thing is BS just suspect. There is no way the ref that called that timeout had a clear view that the receiver even controlled the ball. And if the HC called a timeout anyways he would have lost that and the game 100%. It was an officiating blunder at best,.

And by rule, that PI technically was right. The play before there was a much more apparent PI between those two players and the receiver got in the refs face. Then the next play it was called.

 

[RhodyRams]

I've watched this penultimate play numerous times, and came to the conclusion that it was called correctly

we're on to Tampa Bay

 

[sloramfan]

im not sure i want to wrap this up yet....

after all, who won the game?

oh1 that's right! we did!!!

end of discussion ,,,,

let's move on fellas

go rams

slo

damn that post is almost haiku ish

 

[Selassie I]

Once his knee hit the ground they called the timeout from the sidelines. He caught it at 2 sec. The coach was right next to the ref.
I watched it frame by frame and it was fine.
The refs aren’t even looking at the clock at that moment they watch the play and blew the whistle when time out was called.
What was bullshit was the PI on the play before it.

Here is your quote that I responded to...

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You can see the ref already waiving his arms
They were clearly alerted that they were calling timeout immediately (which is totally by the rules and done all the time)

You claimed "They were clearly alerted that they were calling timeout immediately (which is totally by the rules and done all the time)."

I pointed out that the rules absolutely DO NOT say that or allow that. Then you respond with "once his knee hit the ground they called timeout from the sidelines". There's a name for that kind of behavior that I'm not interested in. You aren't serious about discussing this play with reality, otherwise you wouldn't be responding to me with that crazy attempt to change lanes. You're simply completely ignoring the facts that I stated and posted like they never happened.

I shouldn't even have taken the time to respond to that.

Carry on solder... I ain't interested.

 

[Karate61]

The point is... the first thing that has to happen is the actual catch needs to be confirmed. That ref could not do that because the receiver's back was to him... so unless he has x-ray vision, he could not call the ball dead yet. Those things are spelled out in order in the NFL Rulebook pages I posted. There is a very specific order of things that has to happen BEFORE a player can be declared as given-up, and when the ball can be whistled dead, and then when the time out can be called. All of those things cannot happen together at the speed of light even if the ref could see if the catch was actually made. And like I said, he 100% could not see the ball, so he could not have made the call of the catch being successful. That has to be the first thing that happens BEFORE the ref could start the process of considering if the player had in fact made it clear that he had given himself up on the play without being touched (that process if done correctly simply CANNOT be performed in 2 seconds... it takes longer than that just so the defender and refs can declare him as given up). THEN, only after the ball is called out of play, the player is allowed to call a legal timeout and have that timeout awarded. It is 100% impossible for all of those things to happen simultaneously... they have to take place in order, and each step of the process requires more time than was even left on the clock.

I don't give a shit if you agree with it or not... I didn't write the NFL rules. Those were written by real football experts. They wrote those rules the way they did intentionally so that there wouldn't be a Grey area of what can be called and when.

All of those steps required way more time individually to call the what was.

Welp, I know you don't give a shit, but I don't get your argument on this one fucking call.

There is an official standing at the 1st Down yard stick. He is not behind the receiver, but rather at a 30 to 40 degree angle. That offical can see the ball was caught, and that the ball was being cradled with both hands by the receiver; and instantly know it's a catch. The receiver then sits up on his ass looking back (not forward to advance the ball), so the receiver is down and the play is called dead.

I don't buy a person takes forever to process all that info. Like I said, sight only takes 1/10 of 1 second to process into the brain. So, in contrary, yes that process could be performed in 2 seconds.

And, you didn't post anything that I can see with rules stating an official first has to confirm a successful catch. What does that involve? Can the official confirm it in his head, or is it not officially confirmed until making some type of physicall gesture it's a catch. Anyway, I ain't buying that. The official could see the play, see the catch, see him sitting up and see the timeout being called very quickly.

Try counting to two seconds yourself...two seconds is a lot longer than you think when you actually count it out.

 

[SWAdude]

There is an official standing at the 1st Down yard stick. He is not behind the receiver, but rather at a 30 to 40 degree angle.

That official may have seen the play clearly but I believe he is not the one who stopped the clock.

The only one I can see is the one who could not see the ball and the initial timeout sign the player was making.

That official may have been told by the HC that no matter the outcome he is immediately calling timeout. Which I have never seen.

I stand that the clock operator would have not been able to stop the clock that fast and they would have had to reset it to 1 second. Like they often do every game.

 

[Steve808]

I kind of disgree with your analysis here. The rule states a runner declares himself down by "clearly making no immediate effort to advance".

You can see in this screenshot, with 1 second showing on the clock, the Seattle receiver is sitting up making no effort to advance the ball, and has already called timeout. Furthermore, Durant is touching him so regardless of declaring himself down, he was touched down with 1 second on the clock.

Now, I am no rules expert...this is just how I see it, and I think it was a good call.

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I will add one more thing. It seems like the clock operator "possibly" stopped the clock a bit early, and that the receiver had called time-out when there should have been no time left on the clock. I think this is a bit of an issue. It's close. The receiver may have got the first time out signal just before zero. Maybe the NFL should have a clock like the NBA showing time less than a second.

The play started with only 5 seconds left in the game.

 

[Steve808]

The play started with only 5 seconds left in the game.

To flip that around, and most may not recall, we played the whiners in 2023 I think and right before the half with 5 seconds left in the half and the whiners had the ball on the Rams 1 yard line. Purdy rolled out threw the ball out of the end zone. Somehow his roll out and flipping the ball out of the endzone only took 4 seconds so on the last play of the half, they did a QB sneak and got a TD with the 1 second left. I almost lost my sh*t about the clock.

 

[Ellard80]

the issue is not just if it was okay for them to take a knee and call a timeout that quick...

The clock stopped early...... clock operator killed the clock before he even took a knee.

 

[RamsOfCastamere]

I'm still mad at Durant for being so eager to touch him. Did they not discuss that during the timeout?

 

[Steve808]

I'm still mad at Durant for being so eager to touch him. Did they not discuss that during the timeout?

The clock operator was from Seattle or SF apparently. How can that play take only 4 seconds?

 

[Rambitious1]

Was suspect as helllllllllllll.

Yep. Total BS.
Time had run out.

 

[Rambitious1]

he caught the ball with 1 sec left and fell to the ground... and no time ticked off...

Doesn’t matter. You have to be touched to be down in the NFL. In college yes you’re right when you fall down play is over.