That clock stoppage at the end...

[Karate61]

He did give himself up... but that simply cannot be judged to have happened almost instantly after a catch was declared.

Well, I still do not agree with that analysis. It can be judged in this case. The receiver has got up, is sitting up, and making time-out calls with his hands, and all that is STILL with 1 second showing on the clock. He clearly gave himself up. Sight only takes 1/10 of 1 second to travel to your brain, so there was enough time to judge and make the call.

 

[Karate61]

Honestly at this point it's just us discussing whether we think it's bullshit or not. In reality we won the game which is what ultimately matters. Happy nothing came back to bite us in the ass at the end.

Oh yeah...just discussing the call. We won in the end, so who f'ing cares?

 

[Memento]

I bet if you were neutral watching this game and asked to note all the questionable calls, you'd probably have it fairly even.

I can't remember who it was now, but we avoided a clear PI that should have been against us early on. We also got away with a couple of obvious holding calls. And we had a ridiculous first down given to us when Puku was half a yard short in the last game.

But most fans forget about the ones that did go their way and remember the ones that didn't go their way. It's human nature.

Conspiracy talk is just nonsense.

Can you imagine how many people would have to be involved in such a conspiracy? It would bring the NFL down if it got out, and it would get out.

It doesn't have to be a giant conspiracy, but saying that refs are infallible and unquestionable is naive. They're human, like the rest of us. They have vices like the rest of us. And neutral fans would still see some screwy shit.

The spot on Kyren Williams that was an obvious first down. An uncalled delay-of-game where it was snapped three or four seconds after the play clock hit zero (where thankfully, we didn't get burned in the endzone by that non-call). Josaiah Stewart getting called for offsides when his foot wasn't even on the line. X getting a vicious helmet-to-helmet killshot and not getting a call. Stafford getting hit two seconds after releasing a pass on third down and Ethan Evans getting hit in the knees the play afterward. No calls. Multiple non-calls on obvious pass interference against Nacua and Adams where the ticky-tack one on Forbes gets called.

We were close to losing this game thanks to these refs. I feel safe in saying they were the worst I think I've ever seen, that one or two had money on the game; considering how much gambling has been glorified, how it's infiltrated with players in other sports (baseball and basketball), I would not be shocked if a ref was indicted on gambling one of these days.

 

[Psycho_X]

It seems like the clock operator "possibly" stopped the clock a bit early,

This is the main issue, seems like clock operator prematurely stopped it which is weird being you'd think home field clock operator would help us out. Refs may have still determined to put 1 second back on but make them determine that with review. Was highly annoying and I'd be extremely pissed off if they had made the kick. Luckily we don't have to care about it too much.

 

[Karate61]

This is the main issue, seems like clock operator prematurely stopped it which is weird being you'd think home field clock operator would help us out. Refs may have still determined to put 1 second back on but make them determine that with review. Was highly annoying and I'd be extremely pissed off if they had made the kick. Luckily we don't have to care about it too much.

I wonder if McVay could have challenged the clock. That clock is not the "official" time. The refs track the official time themselves, and maybe they could have figured it out on a challenge, if it is challengeable.

AI Overview
The official time during an NFL game is managed by
a dedicated game clock operator, who works from the press box. However, the side judge is the official on the field responsible for the game clock, acting as a backup and ensuring the press box operator’s clock is accurate. The side judge also signals when time expires at the end of a quarter.

 

[Memento]

I wonder if McVay could have challenged the clock. That clock is not the "official" time. The refs track the official time themselves, and maybe they could have figured it out on a challenge, if it is challengeable.

Impossible to challenge in the last two minute of a half.

 

[Karate61]

Impossible to challenge in the last two minute of a half.

Oh yeah...forgot that. It would have to be an official challenging it then.

 

[Memento]

Oh yeah...forgot that. It would have to be an official challenging it then.

And the officials didn't wish to challenge or discuss anything amongst themselves in this game.

They were fucking awful.

 

[GoodBadUgly]

...Refs may have still determined to put 1 second back on but make them determine that with review...

I was saying the same thing at the time. Then I wondered "What if they had ended the game, then the refs put a second back on"? You know, the same refs that didn't even overturn an obvious first down spotting error?

My millions of years watching football tells me the "New Life" factor causes the Rams to lose on a 61-yd FG.

So thank God that clock operator did what he/she did

 

[RhodyRams]

imagine this place if the clock  did tick down to 0:00 and the refs put one second back on the clock, then Seahawks make the FG!!!

 

[LARAMSinFeb.]

There was a brutal and incredibly dirty helmet-to-helmet hit on Xavier Smith, no call.

Yeah that one looked really bad and really obvious. I've noticed Fiske gets grabbed a lot--I think hes' so quick it's more apparent on replays.

 

[dieterbrock]

I am fine with it if there is a rule around this that is clear.

My issue is, a knee or sliding are the only time its 'instant' like that. If this happened in the middle of a game - well, we've seen guys play possum before, get up and run it in for a TD. That's what I didn't like about it.

Again I don't know the official 'give yourself up' rules, but if its a non 'give yourself up' act, which that absolutely was (he was just laying on the ground the same way he would in the middle of the game because it was a low throw), I am willing to bet the rule is or should be that it takes a second or two before you actually rule the receiver game themselves up. That's what happens in the middle of a game.

He gave himself up and called time out as soon as he hit the ground. No playing possum there. Im sure the coaches told the refs they were calling TO there immediately, kind of like when the coaches tell the refs they are going to call time out before the opposing team kicks a FG or when they are letting the clock count down to 1 or 2 sec

 

[SWAdude]

Watching that play many times now, there is no way that entire play only took 4 seconds.

The player made the timeout sign not visible to anyone for at least a second.

We were at the game and we were wondering why the clock stopped at 1 second.

The catch and the clock stopping was bang bang.

Humanly not possible to react that quick.

At the very least the clock should have gone to zero and refs set it back to one.

 

[dieterbrock]

 

[dieterbrock]

You can see the ref already waiving his arms
They were clearly alerted that they were calling timeout immediately (which is totally by the rules and done all the time)

 

[SWAdude]

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You can see the ref already waiving his arms
They were clearly alerted that they were calling timeout immediately (which is totally by the rules and done all the time)

I get what you are saying. The time with everything involved would have been the ref knew the play and who was going to get the ball and would require a clear view of the who was calling the timeout and the one controlling the clock could react that quick.

I do find this all suspect.

 

[Ramstien]

All I have to say on this matter, was when the game was getting ready to start, I saw that Jeffers and his crew were doing the game I told my wife oh shit.

 

[SWAdude]

All I have to say on this matter, was when the game was getting ready to start, I saw that Jeffers and his crew were doing the game I told my wife oh shit.

When we saw Hussy (Butt cheek) we felt exactly the same.

Him and his crew are always horrible.

He will never ref a Super Bowl.

 

[dieterbrock]

I get what you are saying. The time with everything involved would have been the ref knew the play and who was going to get the ball and would require a clear view of the who was calling the timeout and the one controlling the clock could react that quick.

I do find this all suspect.

What was suspect in my mind was the BS pass interference on the play prior to that one, Forbes and JSN had their hands all over each other and they threw the flag.
Seattle got lucky that they got that last play in, but it was legit

 

[SWAdude]

What was suspect in my mind was the BS pass interference on the play prior to that one, Forbes and JSN had their hands all over each other and they threw the flag.
Seattle got lucky that they got that last play in, but it was legit

100%

As well as other calls.