Terrell Burgess a key in the secondary

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A guy to watch this year will be Burgess. Right now the apparent hole in the defense is SCB. But I don't really think that it is. Last year Staley would move Ramsey into that "star" position if the offense had a key receiver playing there. I think initially they will look to David Long to step up to fill the boundary CB position if Morris plays Ramsey in a similar manner. He has the speed to play the position and now has a year of experience under his belt. Normally it takes 3 years to develop an outside CB because in the NFL it's all about technique.

If Long struggles this is where IMO the versatility of Burgess comes into play. Burgess possesses boundary CB speed and has a good first step to match most receivers. Why does this matter? The Rams are basically 3 deep at safety. In college, Burgess play primarily as a SS. This would make him an option to allow Morris to keep Ramsey outside and simply allow Burgess to cover the Y receiver.

As a starting FS Burgess is an upgrade to Johnson because of that speed. Too many times Johnson was a step late in his coverages. Burgess gives Morris tremendous flexibility in how he uses his secondary. He can move Burgess up to basically play SCB or he can play him as a FS and play zone underneath with Fuller and Rapp, which isn't a bad option.

I think Morris' nickel will often be 3 safeties, Burgess, Rapp, & Fuller. Offenses really can't key off of that personnel package because of Burgess' versatility to play as a 3rd CB or safety. IMO Burgess made Hill expendable. Hill was too scheme-dependent (zone). Burgess gives Morris the flexibility of man or zone. This secondary was one of the best if not the best in the NFL last year. IMO they can still be and with Burgess, they can be even better.

This defense can be better. Lewis is an upgrade to Brockers. Gaines has shown he is capable of filling a rotational position behind AD at 3T. Morris has absolutely no excuses with this roster. I think we will see a more conventional 3-4 hybrid scheme in the front 7, which is the same scheme Baltimore has run with great success.

As much as I like Goff, there is no question that Stafford elevates this team from very good to potentially great. No more worries about the Rams being overmatched at QB. The Rams vs Tampa is going to be a great matchup. Stafford is very capable of outplaying Brady, especially with this team around him. In fact when you look at the schedule, only Jacksonville and NY Giants look completely outmatched. I can't wait for his season!!!
 

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I'm pretty high on Burgess for the SS position. He showed a lot before he got hurt. I love me some JJ43 but I think we'll be okay.

I think replacing the nickel might be a little harder.
 

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interesting thoughts. personally i see Rapp more of the sub lb type role than an every down safety, which would likely leave burgess as the top choice at the other safety spot with fuller
 

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Hope you're right. Burgess was on the field a good amount down the stretch so hopefully he's ready to step it up.
 

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Hope you're right. Burgess was on the field a good amount down the stretch so hopefully he's ready to step it up.
Confused by the ‘down the stretch’ comment.

Burgess was on IR for the final two-plus months of the season.

Scott played a lot, with Burgess and Rapp out of action.
 

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Confused by the ‘down the stretch’ comment.

Burgess was on IR for the final two-plus months of the season.

Scott played a lot, with Burgess and Rapp out of action.
Forgot he went on IR. But either way he was playing a good amount of snaps IIRC there at the end. Was just pointing out the guy got on the field and earned snaps which is important when projecting to this year IMO.

Oh and btw re: Scott you're right he also got out there. This is why overall I don't think our safety room is a need.
 

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I'm pretty high on Burgess for the SS position. He showed a lot before he got hurt. I love me some JJ43 but I think we'll be okay.

I think replacing the nickel might be a little harder.

Troy Hill was underrated. He played well taking over for Robbie-Coleman.
 

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I don't know. I would be highly surprised if Burgess played at JJ's level. JJ could cover the deep ball with excellent timing and technique and really had a great instinct for the position.

Burgess really impressed and flashed last year. But playing consistently over the course of an entire season the way JJ did is tough to do.
 

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I was really impressed with the way Burgess was coming up and popping the running backs near the line of scrimmage.

I need to see him play a little bit more coverage to get an idea of where he stands as a DB.
 

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Forgot he went on IR. But either way he was playing a good amount of snaps IIRC there at the end. Was just pointing out the guy got on the field and earned snaps which is important when projecting to this year IMO.

Oh and btw re: Scott you're right he also got out there. This is why overall I don't think our safety room is a need.

Point out? His injury was F”d up.
Coming back could limit his speed ?
It was the Bears game he got hurt.Fuller was out.He really only played 2 games.The Bears game he was playing like a veteran.Coming up & making plays.
Fuller got exposed one game. He does not run fast. He reads & reacts well.Anything in front of him he will make a play on.If a WR gets behind him it’s all over.
Nick Scott got better. He is a FS. Comes up & likes to hit.Core special teams guy.
David Long does good on special teams. Still needs to develop better.He looks the part,but got exposed which kept him off the field.
Taylor Rapp talk about injured.He plays a little out of control & makes to many mistakes.Bright side is he is aggressive & makes tough plays.I like his fire & passion for the game. He with Ramsey will get better.
D.31 is a must to resign.
 

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The Rams must feel good about these two. We will miss JJ, but priority FA dollars went elsewhere for a reason.

Of course.Sort of a no brainer.Look at The Rams last 2 drafts.

In 2019 Long,Rapp, & Scott all got playing time.Scott was mainly a special teams guy.who played RB at PS.He has all the skills,but not as much experience.All 3 ascending players. BTW - JJ was hurt,but RAMsey held the DB’s together.Hill & Williams stepped it up.Rams were one RAMsey&Rapp mistake away from beating the 9ers & going to the playoffs.

2020 - Fuller started right away.Surprised everyone.The thought was Burgees was going to be that guy.
It took Burgees longer to set in & Troy Hill really took to playing inside in Staley’s defense.
Hill will be missed as well as JJ.It was enjoyable seeing how well the defense played last season. In whole though The Rams are deep.

JuJu & the 2 Georgia DB’s are going to be intriguing.We can go back to McCliud & Daniels both udrfa coming out of the ACC.Daniel’s knee,but McCliud got The Rams a Comp pick.

Eric Weedle has had an influence with a the DB’s as like Sullivan.Mcvay just said as much in his interview to start 2021.He is about Mentorship, & I noticed T.Lewis bonding with RAMsey.
He looked raw,but showed improvement.I know he isn’t a DB,but RAMsey is a team leader that will bring the back 7 together.
 

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JuJu & the 2 Georgia DB’s are going to be intriguing.We can go back to McCliud & Daniels both udrfa coming out of the ACC.Daniel’s knee,but McCliud got The Rams a Comp pick.

The more I read about JuJu Hughes the more I like. Seems like he has potential at FS.
 

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Point out? His injury was F”d up.
Coming back could limit his speed ?
It was the Bears game he got hurt.Fuller was out.He really only played 2 games.The Bears game he was playing like a veteran.Coming up & making plays.
Fuller got exposed one game. He does not run fast. He reads & reacts well.Anything in front of him he will make a play on.If a WR gets behind him it’s all over.
Nick Scott got better. He is a FS. Comes up & likes to hit.Core special teams guy.
David Long does good on special teams. Still needs to develop better.He looks the part,but got exposed which kept him off the field.
Taylor Rapp talk about injured.He plays a little out of control & makes to many mistakes.Bright side is he is aggressive & makes tough plays.I like his fire & passion for the game. He with Ramsey will get better.
D.31 is a must to resign.
Dude your posts are so hard to read. Completely unfocused and so I generally click by. Sorry but that's the truth man. But in trying to decode the above...

I don't really care who got hurt which week tbh. What matters to me for discussion right now is quality of the room. Burgess is part of that quality where he's shown enough in playing the call to where they'll want to let him compete with Rapp for that other job opposite Fuller. Of the two Rapp probably had the most impact due to his effect coming down in the run game he had a window there where he was really making a difference. But Burgess is the guy with lots of snaps in two high from college and film showing him being effective in that role. So IMO Rapp has "fit" working against him here.

It's an interesting matchup either way IMO. Bottom line is Rapp vs Burgess should produce one solid starter at safety.

Now re: Burgess when they drafted him they mentioned slot. He has the talent to do that but no telling if he can adjust to this level. So it's possible that he and Rapp both start and perform important roles in this defense. Either way I am not worried about safety I think we have enough talent there and hopefully our new DC can assemble all the parts optimally. But if it was me... I'd sign a slot corner to finish off this secondary for the draft.
 

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I love how Burgess flew all around the field last year in the action he saw. Excited for his future with the Rams.
 

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The Rams must feel good about these two. We will miss JJ, but priority FA dollars went elsewhere for a reason.

Scott started as a Runningback in college. He’s a great athlete. Maybe he just needed more coaching to learn to play safety. I’m pleasantly surprised that he played well last year.
 

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My favorite pick in the 2020 draft was Burgess. I think he’s got high upside. I’m glad to read that his injury gave him time to get stronger. Jumping into the NFL can be a tough transition.
I think he was listed at 5-11 and 203 pounds. A little more muscle may have him bulked up to 210. But overall I have trouble projecting that any rookie or second round player can do whatever JJ did. He started fast and was a team leader in his fourth year. All of that information stored in his head isn’t likely to be learned in a season or two. Plus you need to compare things like ability to tackle, shed, durability, recovery speed, all while thinking on the fly. Hopefully it works.

I’d feel more confident if the Rams could adds guy like Houston to turn up the pass rush heat with so many younger players in the back end.
 

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A guy to watch this year will be Burgess. ......................... I can't wait for his season!!!

Very good post! I agree Terrell Burgess will play a very important part in this new DC's defense. In limited gms & snaps sure made CB David Long look like he belongs back in high school. Burgess is one talented DB! Rams have him listed as a SS but when you have made your top draft pick in 2019 Taylor Rapp you have no other need for a SS if he is healthy. Snead also selected FS/DS Nick Scott & versatile CB David long. Now all three of these DB's are entering their 3rd seasons. Long simply has not looked good @ any time period. On the other hand, Scott had a very good 2020 season & had many chances to showcase his very good speed & played in all of the Rams 2020 games with the defense. Nick Scott is on the rise!

But Snead did draft two more safeties in 2020 draft Terrell Burgess & Jordan Fuller. One is also more SS than FS/DS type but can play effectively @ the back end of the secondary when healthy that was Fuller. Burgess must have been stashed behind the other SS & was not let out until later & when he was on the field there was not a hotter or better safety. Then that bad broken ankle & foot injury just bad luck. That Packer gms would have been a different game if Burgess & Lewis had been healthy & playing in it.

What DC Morris has in his Safety cadre:
SS
Taylor Rapp 24/3 6-0/208
Jake Gervase 25/3 6-1 212
Jordan Fuller 24/2 6-2/203

Deep/Free Safety
Nick Scott 25/3 5-11/201
Terrell Burgess 22/2 5-11/202
Ju Ju Hughes 22/2 5-11/188


As you can clearly see DC Morris & Ejiro Evero have zero needs @ either safety posts particularly @ Strong Safety. The big problem is @ corner & which safety above can be a good Nickle-Back Corner for them. I believe strongly it should be Terrell Burgess!
 

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The more I read about JuJu Hughes the more I like. Seems like he has potential at FS.

He came out after his jr year.This type of players are young,but potential has not been brought out.The beauty is Evero knows these players make up.
If these guys are not what The Rams still like,no other NFL teams know that come the draft.I look back at a couple DB’s out of Fresno St. . Pope comes to mind & another DB the 9ers poached from The Rams back in the day.
 

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Dude your posts are so hard to read. Completely unfocused and so I generally click by. Sorry but that's the truth man. But in trying to decode the above...

I don't really care who got hurt which week tbh. What matters to me for discussion right now is quality of the room. Burgess is part of that quality where he's shown enough in playing the call to where they'll want to let him compete with Rapp for that other job opposite Fuller. Of the two Rapp probably had the most impact due to his effect coming down in the run game he had a window there where he was really making a difference. But Burgess is the guy with lots of snaps in two high from college and film showing him being effective in that role. So IMO Rapp has "fit" working against him here.

It's an interesting matchup either way IMO. Bottom line is Rapp vs Burgess should produce one solid starter at safety.

Now re: Burgess when they drafted him they mentioned slot. He has the talent to do that but no telling if he can adjust to this level. So it's possible that he and Rapp both start and perform important roles in this defense. Either way I am not worried about safety I think we have enough talent there and hopefully our new DC can assemble all the parts optimally. But if it was me... I'd sign a slot corner to finish off this secondary for the draft.
When Burgees got hurt he was playing with Tyler Rapp. So your off IMO.

Burgees will take Troy Hills spot.He has CB skill,just go look at the Senior Bowl that shows his skill set.

Tyler Rapp will be JJ. Go back to 2019

Who took over for JJ at the end of the season?? The Rams almost made it to the Playoffs without him.

David Long was getting playing time at CB.He had a tough 2020,but is only 22 going into his 3rd year.

The Rams keep reloading on players we don’t know a whole lot about either.I just know how McSnead develop players.

Still like 2019 & 2020 The Rams will find sprinkles of needs in 2021.That’s why those 3 3rds will mean so much.Comp picks are the key,but knowing who is there position wise
is a hard call.