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That all goes out the window when you apply it to the Tutu/ Creed discussion. What would have been better to have? A great center or a receiver that maybe is the 5th or 6th pass catching option on the team?
Just because the Rams don’t put as high a value on Oline doesn’t mean they should ignore a chance to upgrade an interior line position. The plan at the time was to move a guard to center and plug in another guard who failed miserably twice before, into his spot. To me that says need. To a large portion of the fan base that says need. They clearly weren’t thinking Allen was a better option than Corbett. Otherwise there’s be no reason to plan on movie Corbett and bringing in Evans. They got lucky that Allen was outperforming Corbett at center. But that was a few months after the draft.
But here is where your argument falls apart. Team building is based on the salary cap. Of course when you have AD, Stafford, Ramsey, etc,… on the roster there is less money for other positions. But Humphries wasn’t a free agent. They wouldn’t have upset the delicate balance of not putting a lot of cap resources into the center position. He’s a rookie. He wouldn’t get 15 million a year. So it has nothing to do with the ‘how to build a team’ strategy that the Rams use. So why not upgrade a position instead of playing musical chairs? They’d have him for 4 years at the least and if he’s really good they’d get a third round comp pick for him once he leaves. They do that with a lot of players.
Now back to who they picked instead. If Atwell ended up being good in year one and pushing Woods, Kupp, Higbee, DeSean Jackson and Jefferson and taking snaps away from them then maybe it was an okay pick. But still a poor choice for their first pick where they could have addressed a need. The likelihood of a 150 5’9” receiver doing that is ridiculously low considering that there is no track record of it being done in the league. I agreed with PA about Adebo being a better pick. But I’ve said more than once that the pick didn’t have to be Humphries. The problem is there were more pressing needs and better players on the board. Atwell was a reach in round 2. That is the single biggest issue with the pick.
Here’s another issue. This concept on here that Snead is infallable. Nobody should be criticizing his decisions, because the Rams won the Super Bowl is silly. He’s made his share of mistakes in the past. He’s not infallable and fans can criticize him if he made a bad pick. Which he did. But for some reason there are a few people here that think they can tell others how they should think about that.
Regarding all of that of that other crap you were talking about, I believe you either jumped in late or just took it out of context. I know perfectly well what PA meant. But his argument was flawed. He said you don’t need a good center if you can win a Super Bowl with an average center. So I said you don’t need a good QB if you can win a Super Bowl with an average QB. Ask Nick Foles. The point was you can win with deficiencies at certain positions, but that doesn’t mean that a team shouldn’t upgrade those positions if the opportunity arises. The other point he said the Bengals made it to the Super Bowl with a bad Oline. They barely made it and if not for two poor plays by Tannehill they don’t get past the titans and if not for poor play by the Chiefs they don’t win that game either. If I proved his point using the Tannehill example, then I disproved it with the second example. The Chiefs have Mahomes, Kelce, and Hill and aside from the best center in the league their line stunk. I’m supposed to think that that is all you need right? A good QB and Weapons plus a shot Oline. But they lost.
This doesn’t apply to you but it does others, The whole concept of the Super Bowl being the measuring stick on team building. It’s dumb. One play here or there and different teams are in that game. A missed field goal, bad penalty, a dropped pass or dropped interception, whatever. The Niners with a bad QB could have been in that game. The Rams only won by three. They beat the Bucs by three. If the Rams steam rolled every team in the playoffs then maybe, but they didn’t. There is more than one way to build a team. The Niners for example beat the Rams 7 in a row with a different configuration. I disagree with you on the Titans. They easily could have been in the Super Bowl and are the team I wanted the Rams to face the least of all AFC playoff teams.
Either way I’m out of this argument. Think what you like. As far as I’m consider I’m right. You can’t make me think otherwise, especially by repeating some of the inane logic I’ve had thrown at me on this thread. You think what you want. I’ll think what I think.
Nah it's the sheer ignorance to deem any player a "bad pick" after one season.
We've been here before with the staunch defenders of our former QB. I was steadfast from day one and if I had been wrong, I'd have owned that shit.
But what did they do? Just ignore it. And it goes against the policies of this board to call people out on it, so we let it go.
Cool. Well, here we go again. If Tutu goes on to have a decent career, everyone bashing the pick will just pretend like they never bashed it.
We could go find many stories of players getting hurt their first season and going on to have a fine career. This is all in the service of wanting to be right and it's just sickening.
And of course the beautiful part is that they obviously looked at Humphrey and McVay said "no thanks". Coupled with the Rams having a top OL and elite pass protection it is flat out crazy how people are holding onto this.
Of course they're fallible. That goes without saying. But it does not yet mean they made a mistake with this pick.
People are getting confused because of our success with 3rd round picks - but 2nd rounders are not locks to contribute right away.