Talib disagreed with Rams putting him on IR, shares thoughts

[Akrasian]

Hill seems to be playing with more confidence this year for some reason. Maybe Weddle's influence?

More likely that he has another year of experience, coupled with the team trusting him. I wouldn't discount Weddle, but I don't think he's necessary to explain why a young player with another season of experience has taken a step forward.

 

[fearsomefour]

It's because he's a poor fit for this defense. He's not a NT and not a DE. He doesn't have the sand to play NT and lacks the speed to play DE. He's strictly a 3T DT and that's it. Look at his production compared to his cap cost and it's clear why I for one don't see him on the roster next year.

RE: Talib, I've been very vocal in my view that Talib wasn't going to be re-signed either. Like Brockers, his pay vs production didn't warrant it. It's really clear his age is showing and he's not the same ProBowl CB of his earlier days. He was better than Peters but that isn't saying much.

Snead just got a jump on his house cleaning with Talib, and Peters. If his play doesn't improve and I doubt it will, Roby-Coleman is the next target to be released or traded after the season. Troy Hill IMO is on an extended audition. But with Ramsey acquired and David Long waiting, he's a bubble sitter no matter what PFF says. He's a poor man to man CB and is best strictly in zone which is something Wade wants to play less of. Like Nickell, Troy isn't playing like he's being paid. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if they are both packaged to be traded to a CB needy team. With Williams on the team I can see them drafting a CB.

I see the o-line getting a major work over next season as well. Havenstein with a $7.8M cap hit will need to move inside to OG or be traded. With a dead cap of $6.1M it's unlikely he will be released outright. Moving him inside would be the logical move. RG is the most likely place as it will be an easier transition due to muscle memory. With Blythe likely not being resigned it would make sense. Rob would be a clear upgrade. After 2020 if Havenstein continues to struggle he can be traded or released.

This would make the OT's next year Noteboom and Edwards. LG would likely be Corbett or Brewster, with Corbett the most likely. The reason I think it's Corbett is because they traded specifically for him for a reason. He's also practicing at that position now. This would make Coleman replacing Demby as the gameday backup which makes sense as Shelton can also play C. Evans IMO will be the swing OT. So next year's o-line probably ends up like this:

LT Noteboom
LG Corbett
C Allen
RG Havenstein
RT Edwards

Gameday backups: Coleman OG/C & Evans swing OT

That OL looks like a nightmare to me.

 

[OldSchool]

Brockers may not be worth 10 million but he is the 2nd best DT on the team this year. He may have been surpassed by SJD recently. Trading him right now would be a big mistake, with or without the cap hit.

He may be the 2nd best DT on the team but he's not playing DT And I wasn't advocating trading him.

 

[oldnotdead]

Every chance you get you dog NRC. He has had his oops moments but he has been a good to very good DB for the Rams.

Yeah I do because he's like Peters you can't count on him to go rouge and blow his assignment to look for the splash play. Go back and look at the NFCC game and Nickell blew off more than one coverage assignment in that game. When he focuses on his game he can be pretty good just like Peters. But in this scheme you need everyone to play their assignments. For all his issues Troy Hill does play his assignments as well as he can. But his inconsistent coverage has a lot to do with who he is covering. Okay I'm concerned about Troy but Nickell is a different story. When he wants to play coverage he's pretty good. That said can you trust him in big games? So far lately the book says no.

Troy is a backup level talent but he's due for a big increase in his pay next year to $3.475M next year. That's a lot to pay a backup talent. Okay lets look at him. He runs a 4.55 which is not good when he's matched to a WR running 4.4. Running in the 4.55 range would be different if he was 6'1" giving him a bigger play radius. But Troy is 5'10", so if you have him matched against a fast WR he will need safety help over the top. You say that's ok because of Ramsey on the other side. It's not okay because it leaves the middle of the field open for something like a Y receiver running a post.

You can't take things in isolation, you need to consider how it affects other players and the coverage. Remember Wade plays a cover 1 so taking that FS out of the middle of the field might be a bad thing. That is also why I rag NRC because his intentional mistakes are costly.

 

[RamsInfiniti]

Yeah I do because he's like Peters you can't count on him to go rouge and blow his assignment to look for the splash play. Go back and look at the NFCC game and Nickell blew off more than one coverage assignment in that game. When he focuses on his game he can be pretty good just like Peters. But in this scheme you need everyone to play their assignments. For all his issues Troy Hill does play his assignments as well as he can. But his inconsistent coverage has a lot to do with who he is covering. Okay I'm concerned about Troy but Nickell is a different story. When he wants to play coverage he's pretty good. That said can you trust him in big games? So far lately the book says no.

Troy is a backup level talent but he's due for a big increase in his pay next year to $3.475M next year. That's a lot to pay a backup talent. Okay lets look at him. He runs a 4.55 which is not good when he's matched to a WR running 4.4. Running in the 4.55 range would be different if he was 6'1" giving him a bigger play radius. But Troy is 5'10", so if you have him matched against a fast WR he will need safety help over the top. You say that's ok because of Ramsey on the other side. It's not okay because it leaves the middle of the field open for something like a Y receiver running a post.

You can't take things in isolation, you need to consider how it affects other players and the coverage. Remember Wade plays a cover 1 so taking that FS out of the middle of the field might be a bad thing. That is also why I rag NRC because his intentional mistakes are costly.

40 times don't tell the whole story. By that logic, better not resign Kupp, because at 4.62 - he's not going to be able to beat faster DB's.

You seem to expect a squad of DB's that never get beat, or make mistakes. Not going to happen. It appears the Rams view Hill as a viable #2 CB. So far, this season, he is proving that he is up to the task.

 

[OldSchool]

FWIW

 

[Kevin]

FWIW

Statistical comparisons without context are misleading.

Talib started against Newton, Brees/Bridgewater, Mayfield, Winston and Wilson. Played against Thomas, OBJ, Evans, Godwin and Lockett. Three of those were road games.

Hill started against Garappolo, Ryan/Schaub and Dalton. Played against Julio, the only WR worth mentioning. Two of those games were on the road.

Hill is a good corner but he aint all that.

 

[OldSchool]

Statistical comparisons without context are misleading.

Talib started against Newton, Brees/Bridgewater, Mayfield, Winston and Wilson. Played against Thomas, OBJ, Evans, Godwin and Lockett. Three of those were road games.

Hill started against Garappolo, Ryan/Schaub and Dalton. Played against Julio, the only WR worth mentioning. Two of those games were on the road.

Hill is a good corner but he aint all that.

Started against those but Hill has played every week and considerable stats. And yes I never claimed it was the end all be all hence why I led with FWIW. But that tackle % isn't misleading and the fact that Wade is comfortable starting him isn't misleading either.

 

[LARAMSinFeb.]

That OL looks like a nightmare to me.

We're definitely skipping the playoffs with that.

 

[OldSchool]

Seems I was wrong, not the first time won't be the last Talib is staying in LA to rehab.

Aqib Talib will remain in Los Angeles to rehab

The Dolphins traded for Aqib Talib on Tuesday, but the cornerback may never report to the team.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

 

[UKRAM18]

Seems I was wrong, not the first time won't be the last Talib is staying in LA to rehab.

Aqib Talib will remain in Los Angeles to rehab

The Dolphins traded for Aqib Talib on Tuesday, but the cornerback may never report to the team.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

"Talib retires after completing rehab in LA"

 

[OldSchool]

"Talib retires after completing rehab in LA"

A very likely thing to happen next spring IMO.

 

[shovelpass]

 

[Psycho_X]

View: https://twitter.com/TurfShowTimes/status/1191041184552103936?s=20

 

[OldSchool]

Go ask the Rams then 3k or whatever TST scrub has their twitter account

 

[BonifayRam]

I would give Snead/McVay/Wade big kudos for making household changes before mid season on a defense that was not going to win many games for them this season. Rams erased both starting former all pro CB's, plus replacing starting future star deep safety JJ III.

When has a prospective playoff bound team done something like this.

Normally I have great distaste for throwing several first round selections like they were late 3rd day picks for a soon to be UFA @ the end of the 2020 season but this former secondary was going nowhere fast. The future looks much brighter now with the trio of Ramsey/Hill/Williams as our top outside corners & 3rd rd rookie press corner David Long in waiting.

Safety unit is in a weakened situation but the play of JJ III replacement Marqui Christian has been seriously surprising to me. If he keeps this up he will earn a nice payday from another team in March of 2020. Rapp was certainly not ready for any deep roaming coverage assignments. But even without starting JJ III the reserve safeties of rookies Taylor Rapp, Jake Gervase & Nick Scott will get valuable experience this next 8 games in prep for 2020.

 

[XXXIVwin]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe Talib said, “I’m healthy enough to play right now.”

This tells me the Rams must’ve been very dissatisfied with his play in 2019. They chose to put him on IR even though he could’ve returned to play much sooner.

 

[nighttrain]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe Talib said, “I’m healthy enough to play right now.”

This tells me the Rams must’ve been very dissatisfied with his play in 2019. They chose to put him on IR even though he could’ve returned to play much sooner.

say Jalen Ramsey, Rams needed to clear salary to sign the best CB in the league
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[nighttrain]

I meat to add, if Talib will play W/Rams for vet minimum i wouldnt mind seeing on roster next season
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