Stafford OUT for Packers gm

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So, with all the QB's stashed away on practice squads - this is the best furniture we an find?
 

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The difference between the QB position and the RB position is vast. A RB can roll out of bed and get you 40+ rushing yards. A QB who only rolls out of bed, can get you 3 pick 6's.

Right, but your talking about QB depth, not long term starters.
 

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What's so hard to follow? Wolford did very little to help this team but was given every opportunity to succeed. Henderson was cut for no fault of his own to, seemingly, please Akers and remove any starting RB competition. Are you really dismissing the two different players we're talking about here? If you can't see the difference in this situation and the one with Henderson, I'm afraid I can't explain it in a way you'll understand.

Both were former players brought back in positions of need due to injury. Henderson actually started, while Wolford was most likely going to be depth.

Neither move made the Rams look pathetic or desperate, imo. Teams make moves for practice squad players all of the time, especially the deeper into the season you get and depth becomes more of a need.

Also, people want to suggest Wolford choosing to stay in Tampa was a slap in the face to the Rams, when in reality, he was offered a spot on their 53 for staying, and for a dude making vet minimum, I would assume Florida not having state income tax is a major factor.
 

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Both were former players brought back in positions of need due to injury. Henderson actually started, while Wolford was most likely going to be depth.

Neither move made the Rams look pathetic or desperate, imo. Teams make moves for practice squad players all of the time, especially the deeper into the season you get and depth becomes more of a need.

Also, people want to suggest Wolford choosing to stay in Tampa was a slap in the face to the Rams, when in reality, he was offered a spot on their 53 for staying, and for a dude making vet minimum, I would assume Florida not having state income tax is a major factor.
No one is arguing why Wolford stayed, good on him for using us as leverage to get on Tampa's starting roster and paid. And your opinion about it not looking like a desperate move is a valid one, I respect it. Same for my opinion, not sure why it made you feel some type of way in the first place.

You were the one comparing this failed attempt to us resigning Henderson. So let me switch the tables on you. Why do you feel this is even remotely the same? We're talking two very different positions, two very different players and two different circumstances they were in when we reached out.

Bottom line, it is my opinion that reaching out to John Wolford, considering his history with us (there's plenty of it) and our decision not to resign him this off season (which I and many others agreed with) makes us look desperate and pathetic when there are a number of other players out there we could be calling. You can disagree with it if you like, that's fair. I don't think he was worth the phone call yesterday and I'd even go as far as saying I don't think he was ever worth the backup QB roster spot.
 

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Bottom line, it is my opinion that reaching out to John Wolford, considering his history with us (there's plenty of it) and our decision not to resign him this off season (which I and many others agreed with) makes us look desperate and pathetic when there are a number of other players out there we could be calling.

I think his history with us is exactly why we called him. Same with Henderson.

Of course your opinion is valid, I wasn't arguing otherwise. I just found the reasoning behind it odd. Oh well.
 

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This is true for Love, do you honestly think this is true for Stafford?
It was according to a statistical analysis I read on a football site. They've been two of the most inaccurate passers this season. Stafford's completion percentage is 59.7. Worst since his rookie campaign.
 

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It was according to a statistical analysis I read on a football site. They've been two of the most inaccurate passers this season. Stafford's completion percentage is 59.7. Worst since his rookie campaign.
Well, I'll be... it's low this season. Hmm... wonder how much that has to do with drops and throwing in breakers when Kupp is running out breakers... Guy usually sits in the high to mid 60s range.

Stafford's accuracy at the start of the season seemed on point and he's made some crazy accurate throws in games so would love to dig further into this.

I think I jumped at this comment cause Love was in the sentence since Love can't hit the backside of a barn which I think will become apparent when we play them.
 

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Stafford is tough enough to play I'd guess. Just put a glove on that hand for grip and emphasize balance in the gameplan.

We need this win.
 

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Let the O-line pound some ground chuck - and roll the QB out at other times....
Just don't leave Stafford back there for Kenny Clark, Rashan Gary or Devonte Wyatt to feast on.
You seeing this, Sean??? :woozy2:
 

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Let the O-line pound some ground chuck - and roll the QB out at other times....
Just don't leave Stafford back there for Kenny Clark, Rashan Gary or Devonte Wyatt to feast on.
You seeing this, Sean??? :woozy2:
Not sure he does. Sean seems to play a "one size fits all" style that really irks me, personally. Not sure if he can beat you "this way" OR "that way," which is why I tend to lower rank him.
 

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Not sure he does. Sean seems to play a "one size fits all" style that really irks me, personally. Not sure if he can beat you "this way" OR "that way," which is why I tend to lower rank him.
you must have missed when we beat the Cowboys in the playoffs and ran for 280 yards in 2018.

Or the entire 2020 season where we basically won with defense.

or how in 2017 we basically had our entire offense built around a running back.

Can definitely say without a doubt that he has won in different ways over the years.
 

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you must have missed when we beat the Cowboys in the playoffs and ran for 280 yards in 2018.

Or the entire 2020 season where we basically won with defense.

or how in 2017 we basically had our entire offense built around a running back.

Can definitely say without a doubt that he has won in different ways over the years.
True, Mcvay has won in different ways.

But right now I think he is in a funk. A stubborn funk of using too many drop back long developing routes. Not alot of use of TE, RB and PA pass. I think he should have a ton of short passes on the menu and bring back the WR screens and jet sweeps.

Stafford should normally be getting the ball out under 3 seconds but often is stuck back there waiting too long for routes to develop, especially on third down.

I agree with NYCRam that Mcvay seems to get stuck into predictable and ineffective personell groupings and plays and then when the defense defends it, he doesn't adapt much. He did go to the heavy run game vs the Cards, so there is one example where he does adapt, but generally he seems to get stuck in stubborn mode more then other play callers.

Sadly, Raheem is the exact same way. Very predictable to the detriment of the defense.
 

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True, Mcvay has won in different ways.

But right now I think he is in a funk. A stubborn funk of using too many drop back long developing routes. Not alot of use of TE, RB and PA pass. I think he should have a ton of short passes on the menu and bring back the WR screens and jet sweeps.

Stafford should normally be getting the ball out under 3 seconds but often is stuck back there waiting too long for routes to develop, especially on third down.

I agree with NYCRam that Mcvay seems to get stuck into predictable and ineffective personell groupings and plays and then when the defense defends it, he doesn't adapt much. He did go to the heavy run game vs the Cards, so there is one example where he does adapt, but generally he seems to get stuck in stubborn mode more then other play callers.

Sadly, Raheem is the exact same way. Very predictable to the detriment of the defense.
Sadly I agree as well. I'm a huge McVay fan and hope he coaches the Rams as long as possible. But I do think he is better at designing plays than calling them. And he does at times get stubborn and fail to adapt.

And Raheem makes me miss the crazy unpredictability of Gregg Williams. He might rush only 3 or go nuts and send 8... he put a premium on keeping the O out of rhythm.
 

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you must have missed when we beat the Cowboys in the playoffs and ran for 280 yards in 2018.

Or the entire 2020 season where we basically won with defense.

or how in 2017 we basically had our entire offense built around a running back.

Can definitely say without a doubt that he has won in different ways over the years.
Yeah, I miss 2017 when we had a true weapon at Running Back. He used to win more that way but less often now. As far as 2020 goes, he had lost faith in his Quarterback. Maybe Sean's ultra-faith in the golden arm of Matthew Stafford hinders his game plans?
 

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True, Mcvay has won in different ways.

But right now I think he is in a funk. A stubborn funk of using too many drop back long developing routes. Not alot of use of TE, RB and PA pass. I think he should have a ton of short passes on the menu and bring back the WR screens and jet sweeps.

Stafford should normally be getting the ball out under 3 seconds but often is stuck back there waiting too long for routes to develop, especially on third down.

I agree with NYCRam that Mcvay seems to get stuck into predictable and ineffective personell groupings and plays and then when the defense defends it, he doesn't adapt much. He did go to the heavy run game vs the Cards, so there is one example where he does adapt, but generally he seems to get stuck in stubborn mode more then other play callers.

Sadly, Raheem is the exact same way. Very predictable to the detriment of the defense.
HE went to the run game against Arizona or his PLAYERS insisted on it at Halftime??? Damning if true.