Stafford OUT for Packers gm

[FarNorth]

@Loyal looking up Tony Banks X (Twitter) profile to see if he's still in shape.

Or his dog Felony.

 

[gogoat1]

Its all about the O line.
Just think what McVay could do with a QB that had plenty of time to throw and consistent holes for his RBs.
The most important unit on a NFL team, THE OFFENSIVE LINE !!!
AND, it helps the defense too.

 

[oldnotdead]

If McVay never runs the ball and only passes it exposes any and I mean any OL. Once you become one dimensional the defense can simply tee off on the QB and no online can defend that for very long. It means they can send 6 guys on every passing down and then your precious PFF will blame that HC decision on the OL. Open your eyes and look at what's actually happening. The problem is McVay abandoning the run. Even though Freeman was averaging over 5 yds per carry McVay kept prioritizing Henderson the no power smurf and long developing routes. That's a massive coaching failure.

McVay has been mailing in his coaching because he's distracted by his new kid. Ok I get it I remember what it was like. But don't blame the OL and the players. He even dismissed the QB2 issue before the draft turning it over to 2 assistants. Now the team is paying for that too aren't they?

McVay doesn't get an automatic pass from me because he's a "genius or boy wonder". Like all the players he must hold himself accountable as well.

 

[Ellard80]

If McVay never runs the ball and only passes it exposes any and I mean any OL. Once you become one dimensional the defense can simply tee off on the QB and no online can defend that for very long. It means they can send 6 guys on every passing down and then your precious PFF will blame that HC decision on the OL. Open your eyes and look at what's actually happening. The problem is McVay abandoning the run. Even though Freeman was averaging over 5 yds per carry McVay kept prioritizing Henderson the no power smurf and long developing routes. That's a massive coaching failure.

McVay has been mailing in his coaching because he's distracted by his new kid. Ok I get it I remember what it was like. But don't blame the OL and the players. He even dismissed the QB2 issue before the draft turning it over to 2 assistants. Now the team is paying for that too aren't they?

McVay doesn't get an automatic pass from me because he's a "genius or boy wonder". Like all the players he must hold himself accountable as well.

You are great at breaking down schemes and strategy - some of this stuff above though is out there.

Mcvay has been mailing it in because he his having a kid? Are you serious with that quote?

Also " a massive coaching failure" that he played hendo more than freeman?

Did you actually watch the Dallas game... its was 33-3 in the first half after a blocked punt and then a long return, pick 6 and zero pass defense.

Which running back was getting the ball had zero out come effect..

 

[HitStick]

We won a Super Bowl less than 2 season ago, are you kidding me here????

And they are 8-17 since then.

I’m not necessarily agreeing that McVay has “fallen off”

But I’m also not saying that he hasn’t gotten complacent.

 

[Ellard80]

And they are 8-17 since then.

I’m not necessarily agreeing that McVay has “fallen off”

But I’m also not saying that he hasn’t gotten complacent.

Complacent?

Last year we were on our 3rd string everything - no chance of winning.

He almost quit because he couldn't stand losing.

I'll agree the last two years are not what we expect from mcvay.

But complacency isn't the cause.

 

[Allen2McVay]

And they are 8-17 since then.

I’m not necessarily agreeing that McVay has “fallen off”

But I’m also not saying that he hasn’t gotten complacent.

That is the record but when I consider the quantity and degree of injuries last year; and the loss of talent in the off-season, as Management attempts to get out of a terrible cap situation ... it kind of makes sense.

 

[snackdaddy]

We can debate about McVay all we want. But does anyone really think he can turn this roster into a winner in one year? A defense with one great player. Maybe another decent player. Then two rookies who need more experience and a bunch of day 3 and undrafted JAGS. When given lemons you can't make lemonade if the lemons are rotten.

 

[RamWoodie]

I think the DLine is avg on pass rush because there's 2 or 3 on AD99 all the time but the other guys are getting better.

Against the Packers, it comes down to 2 things as I see it:

- McVay can be as stubborn as Martz with his play calling...we all know that. If Stafford plays. he must get the ball out quick and let the WRs get YAC...also RUN THE BALL. Hendo and Co ran well!

- There's always the scare that the secondary can have lapses because this is a mobile QB. He can buy time and cause coverage to break down.

This is a 24-16-ish win if Stafford plays...OR a 17-13-ish win without him.

 

[Merlin]

Contain is our biggest issue for Green Bay. It killed us vs Dak. This QB is hot garbage but if we spot him big run lanes they will sustain drives.

If they keep Love in the pocket they won't be much threat. Which should allow some patience for our offense.

 

[AZRams]

you must have missed when we beat the Cowboys in the playoffs and ran for 280 yards in 2018.

Or the entire 2020 season where we basically won with defense.

or how in 2017 we basically had our entire offense built around a running back.

Can definitely say without a doubt that he has won in different ways over the years.

To the extent we have them, our offensive woes all began when "that" back stopped playing like an all-timer.

 

[AZRams]

@Loyal looking up Tony Banks X (Twitter) profile to see if he's still in shape.

How the eff did that guy ever end up in the NFL?

I lived through the TJ Rubley experience but Banks is a whole other level of shit at the position.

 

[HitStick]

Complacent?

Last year we were on our 3rd string everything - no chance of winning.

He almost quit because he couldn't stand losing.

I'll agree the last two years are not what we expect from mcvay.

But complacency isn't the cause.

Complacency : self-satisfaction especially when accompanied by unawareness of actual dangers or deficiencies

He refuses to change his approach on how to attack anything. He doesn’t make second half adjustments. He doesn’t care about saving timeouts.

What he’s doing isn’t working and hasn’t been working since 21. He’s doing the same thing but expecting results. We don’t have big Whit. We don’t have OBJ. It’s time to change.

He took over a 4-12 team that was equal to or less talented than what we have now. He went 11-5 after that. Yes they had some cap space, but he schemed around what he had and dominated. Now he’s trying to force a square peg into a round hole. They personnel does not fit the system. Stafford is getting murdered (again), and even if he does come back, I doubt he survives the rest of the season.

I’m not advocating getting rid of McVay. I remember the dark times. I just don’t think he’s untouchable from criticism. At the end of the day, all that matters is wins and losses. Over the last two seasons, he one less win than Josh McDaniels. That doesn’t sit right with me. Neither does the excuses.

 

[Merlin]

Our losses (in order):

SF is ranked 5th in scoring.

Cincinnati started slow defensively but their last 3 games they're giving up 16.7ppg and are likely to end top 10 (currently 17th).

Philly is not a healthy defense, we missed an opportunity there.

Pittsburgh started slow like Cincy but are on a fucking tear, definitely going to finish top 10 (currently 16th).

Dallas is 4th in scoring.

In our wins we put up 30 (Seattle), 29 (Indy), and 26 (Cards). So I think to a large extent some of our problems on offense are simply facing better opponents. Cincy and Pittsburgh are both extremely physical up front and beat us in the trenches, two others are legit top defenses (SF is sliding a bit but points-wise they've done well over the season thus far), and one we obviously underperformed (Philly).

Since our defense is one dimensional and built to supplement an offense that sustains drives here's the defense quality we have in the games ahead, with current scoring rankings:

Green Bay is ranked 20th.
Seattle is ranked 11th.
Arizona is ranked 27th.
Cleveland is ranked 12th.
Baltimore is ranked 1st.
Washington is ranked 31st.
New Orleans is ranked 9th.
New York (G) is ranked 22nd.
SF is ranked 5th.

Of the higher ranked defenses we're going to face, Seattle is a team we play well and we're coming off the bye. Cleveland and New Orleans I think are still winnable. Only game where I think we're up shit creek is Baltimore, as that QB is going to run all over our front.

Also and btw when it comes to momentum... If we beat Green Bay and get by Seattle post-bye we have Arizona too before we hit one of the better defenses in Cleveland. This post-bye sched really is favorable for us, they just have to get the OL playing on one sheet of music and pray that the football Gods spare us the injuries.

 

[Ellard80]

Complacency : self-satisfaction especially when accompanied by unawareness of actual dangers or deficiencies

He refuses to change his approach on how to attack anything. He doesn’t make second half adjustments. He doesn’t care about saving timeouts.

What he’s doing isn’t working and hasn’t been working since 21. He’s doing the same thing but expecting results. We don’t have big Whit. We don’t have OBJ. It’s time to change.

He took over a 4-12 team that was equal to or less talented than what we have now. He went 11-5 after that. Yes they had some cap space, but he schemed around what he had and dominated. Now he’s trying to force a square peg into a round hole. They personnel does not fit the system. Stafford is getting murdered (again), and even if he does come back, I doubt he survives the rest of the season.

I’m not advocating getting rid of McVay. I remember the dark times. I just don’t think he’s untouchable from criticism. At the end of the day, all that matters is wins and losses. Over the last two seasons, he one less win than Josh McDaniels. That doesn’t sit right with me. Neither does the excuses.

name a time when not saving timeouts actually made any real difference. The he doesn't make half time adjustments comment is just not true.... the cardinal's game we ran the ball like 9 straight plays?

What about the 2nd half of the seahawks game when we outscored them 23-0?


I don't think he is untouchable by any means - but you have to just use some reason and sense here when looking at the last two years.

There was no chance with the injuries last year for the team to be good.

Then this year they basically dumped the roster - many people thought we would be the worst team in the league.

 

[RamBall]

How the eff did that guy ever end up in the NFL?

I lived through the TJ Rubley experience but Banks is a whole other level of shit at the position.

Banks threw a pretty deep ball, but could not process information to save his life. I still cant believe Warner sat the bench behind Banks in 98.

 

[snackdaddy]

Tony "Excuse me is this your ball" Banks. My one memory of the guy was in a game against the 49ers. The Rams were something like 2 or 3 touchdowns behind. They scored to close the gap. Caught the 49ers off guard with a surprise onsides kick. The 49er defense was gassed and had to go back on the field. I'm thinking they're gonna score again and make a game of it.

First play Banks drops the shotgun snap. Then tries to pick it up. Proceeds to kick the ball to a defender. The first play for the 49ers was an end around with a receiver and he scores a touchdown effectively shutting down a possible comeback. I remember the announcer saying "That defense was completely demoralized after the turnover"

 

[dang]

Our losses (in order):

SF is ranked 5th in scoring.

Cincinnati started slow defensively but their last 3 games they're giving up 16.7ppg and are likely to end top 10 (currently 17th).

Philly is not a healthy defense, we missed an opportunity there.

Pittsburgh started slow like Cincy but are on a fucking tear, definitely going to finish top 10 (currently 16th).

Dallas is 4th in scoring.

In our wins we put up 30 (Seattle), 29 (Indy), and 26 (Cards). So I think to a large extent some of our problems on offense are simply facing better opponents. Cincy and Pittsburgh are both extremely physical up front and beat us in the trenches, two others are legit top defenses (SF is sliding a bit but points-wise they've done well over the season thus far), and one we obviously underperformed (Philly).

Since our defense is one dimensional and built to supplement an offense that sustains drives here's the defense quality we have in the games ahead, with current scoring rankings:

Green Bay is ranked 20th.
Seattle is ranked 11th.
Arizona is ranked 27th.
Cleveland is ranked 12th.
Baltimore is ranked 1st.
Washington is ranked 31st.
New Orleans is ranked 9th.
New York (G) is ranked 22nd.
SF is ranked 5th.

Of the higher ranked defenses we're going to face, Seattle is a team we play well and we're coming off the bye. Cleveland and New Orleans I think are still winnable. Only game where I think we're up shit creek is Baltimore, as that QB is going to run all over our front.

Also and btw when it comes to momentum... If we beat Green Bay and get by Seattle post-bye we have Arizona too before we hit one of the better defenses in Cleveland. This post-bye sched really is favorable for us, they just have to get the OL playing on one sheet of music and pray that the football Gods spare us the injuries.

So 31 is the magic number. Even with our young, inexperienced defense the Rams would be 7-1 if the offense could find a way to score 31 pts each game. The only exception being the “dumpster on fire” game against the Pokes. That means TDs instead of so many FGs. I’m a lowly coach potatoe die hard Rams fan but what I see is:
That means a balanced well prepared game plan.
That means making adjustments when things aren’t working out. That means keeping Stafford upright with quicker developing pass plays.
That means attacking the outside when the inside run game isn’t working.
That means taking more advantage of the weapons we have (see Tutu, Henderson in pass game, Freeman in the run game).
That means replacing players who aren’t keeping up (see Higbee, AJax).
Or they can just stay the course and hope for the occasional miracle.

 

[NYCRam]

name a time when not saving timeouts actually made any real difference. The he doesn't make half time adjustments comment is just not true.... the cardinal's game we ran the ball like 9 straight plays?

What about the 2nd half of the seahawks game when we outscored them 23-0?


I don't think he is untouchable by any means - but you have to just use some reason and sense here when looking at the last two years.

There was no chance with the injuries last year for the team to be good.

Then this year they basically dumped the roster - many people thought we would be the worst team in the league.

ANY Timeout used in the 2nd Half before 4 minutes left in the game is irresponsible and can lead directly to losses. Whether they have or not is irrelevant, the good Coaches conserve them, the Martz/Mcvay's burn em due to long convoluted play calls mixed with indecision. When is Mac going to learn that a 2nd Half timeout is MORE valuable than a 5-yard delay of game penalty in the 3rd Quarter......EVERY time.

 

[AZRams]

Banks threw a pretty deep ball, but could not process information to save his life. I still cant believe Warner sat the bench behind Banks in 98.

I'll have to take your word for it, I don't remember anything aside from the fumbles. Blocked it out my mind...

LOL.