so when do we start seeing articles on bad rams management

[iamme33]

You can do whatever you want man

I was actually responding to the statement that you “can’t use 2 first round picks on a CB” — and I simply pointed out we in fact did pay 2 1sts for a CB. Feel free to read the post I was commenting on. Or not.

I see the point you are making that its a done deal move on. I simply pointed out that 2 1st rounder were not all we gave up

 

[Dieter the Brock]

I see the point you are making that its a done deal move on. I simply pointed out that 2 1st rounder were not all we gave up

Personally we should think of what we got in the positive instead of what we gave up in the negative

Jalen Ramsey the best CB in the league hands down. I think it will be a good discussion when this season is over, cause I think his effect on this defense will show he is worth two of any combination of player in this years draft.

 

[“Turbo set!”]

I have no issue with the Ramsey trade. Most players picked after #10 become nothing more than replaceable players.

 

[iamme33]

fuck me dead, where did all these whiners come from.

they're like fucking cockroaches. y'know, like when you turn the light on and they all begin to scatter.

the first day of free agency was the turning on the light part.

wow!!! your going a little over board with the cockroaches.

 

[Dieter the Brock]

wow!!! your going a little over board with the cockroaches.

 

[kurtfaulk]

wow!!! your going a little over board with the cockroaches.

i thought it was an appropriate symbol of how they infested the site after free agency began.

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[Malibu]

Thank you. Thank you. One hundred percent agree. Ramsey trade was egregious. Look at what the eagles just gave up for Slay. It pales.

How do you possibly give up that much draft capital without a contract extension in place?

Slay is not a shut down corner he is good but not a game changer. He slot older and not as in his prime like Ramsey. If he was that indispensable Det would never let him go.

 

[Gandalf]

Unless you are Todd's doctor, you can scream injury until your throat bleeds. Fact of the matter it's an opinion. What we DO KNOW as a fact, the Rams signed Cooks to a major contract before even practicing with the team and they gave up a shit ton of picks to acquire a CB that is gonna break the bank when it comes to his new contract. They knew someone with a huge contract was going to have to go as well as many others like Littleton who are extremely talented. So based on what we CAN prove using math, this looks bad on the front office.

In fairness, the Rams didn't know Cooks and Gurley were going to have injury problems and guys like Littleton and Fowler were nobodies when the deal was done, who knew they would be prime players back then? They saw a good chance for a Superbowl run and took it. How often do most teams ever see a Superbowl? Things didn't work out as planned, but shit happens. WE all kick ourselves in the ass over decisions that seemed good at the time, but didn't go as planned.
The situation right now isn't as bad as some make it seem. We are strong at the skill positions that are expensive and require high picks. The needs we have now are at positions that can be filled with low cost FAs and mid round picks. I imagine that when it is all said and done we add 2 or 3 draft picks to our draft stash and fill most if not all of our needs.

 

[AlphaRam]

He played extremely well
We gave up two first rounders for a corner
Move on

He played well, he also wasn’t in the Top 25 for corners in PFF rankings either last year. I know we gave up two first rounders, and it was a mistake. We bid against ourselves and again, it was a mistake because we weren’t anywhere close to being a Jalen Ramsey away from the SB last year.

And now this good, not the best or second best corner will add to our desperate cap situation with no first round high ceiling reinforcements coming in on cap friendly deals anytime soon.

The sooner you admit it was a mistake, because you’ve yet to provide any evidence whatsoever that it wasn’t, we can then all “move on.”

 

[Dieter the Brock]

He played well, he also wasn’t in the Top 25 for corners in PFF rankings either last year. I know we gave up two first rounders, and it was a mistake.

The sooner you admit it was a mistake, because you’ve yet to provide any evidence whatsoever that it wasn’t we can all “move on.”

I will let your post speak for itself
No response from me is necessary
Good night now

 

[Ram65]

We are talking Demoff and Snead,,,

I think Demoff is a little too generous with contract money. I thought the Rams went way over the mark to resign Gurley. I thought the Rams could have resigned him for less money at the time of the contract. There is always a higher risk of giving big long term deals to running backs.

I wish they hadn't given Cooks that much money. Unfortunately, that's what it was to resign him. A little less would have been nice. Once they made the trade they had to make the deal. It looked great in 2018.

Goff resigning was a no brainer. Maybe too much guaranteed money.

Overall I think Demoff has been a little too player-friendly (Tavon Austin deal). He hasn't put the Rams in any bad cap situations that they can't get out from under. Even the Gurley cut isn't a season breaker by any means. Gurley's deal is the first high-end dead money situation I can recall in a very long time.

On Snead

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The wheeling and dealing has gotten some good results.

I was not in favor of the Ramsey deal. It did turn things around and almost helped make the playoffs. Way too early to complain if they don't resign him long term. It's not fair to complain about something that hasn't happened yet. They still have this year and a franchise tag next year. I think they will resign him so I'm not worried. We will see if Ramsey is worth the picks and money. One thing for sure is they Rams and Snead can't continue these type of trades.

Since McVay has been here Snead has had a good draft in 2017 with another seemingly good draft in 2019. The 2018 draft doesn't look good so far but, it's still early. Snead does not draft or make deals in a vacume. He works with McVay and others before he pulls the trigger.

Since 2016 the Rams have done a complete turnaround. Missing the playoffs last year hurt after two years of playoffs with a SB appearence. All of this with a near complete overall of the defense and offense. Not all Sneads moves have worked out but, many have. In 2020 the Rams fate will rest in a large part on the young players the Rams have drafted and picked up since 2017. Let's see how they do.

 

[Corbin]

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fuck me dead, where did all these whiners come from.

they're like fucking cockroaches. y'know, like when you turn the light on and they all begin to scatter.

the first day of free agency was the turning on the light part.

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Haha I been Roaching it since the Ramsey trade!

 

[Poppinfresh]

i thought it was an appropriate symbol of how they infested the site after free agency began.

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Yeah, except I've been down on some of these moves a lot longer than the last few days. Go join the other one in the corner.

Fact is and will remain we didn't *need* a Ramsey, we overpaid (at best, 1 1st and maybe a 4th should have been sent), and we had a lot bigger holes to fill than replacing one expensive corner with another one. Just this year alone, we've given up the number 20 pick in a draft that's pretty offensive line deep with plug-and-play 1st year starters in the 1st round (that pick could have been a Josh Jones, an Isaiah Wilson or an Andrew Thomas) and has some interesting linebackers at the top (could have pivoted and gone for a Patrick Queen or a Kenneth Murray) that would have filled a way bigger hole than CB. And we'd have them on the cheap for 5 years. Next year, we're very likely giving up a pick in the 9-12 range, which means a blue chip prospect.

I see people here talking about how the sack numbers went up after he arrived. Yeah, that tends to happen when you start off facing teams with generally solid offensive lines and then on the back end get teams like Arizona twice, a wounded Pittsburgh team that was getting run over by everybody, the Bungles and their terribad line, etc. I would certainly hope the numbers against those teams would be higher than they were against contenders with strong lines.

People here love to de-value 1st round picks under the guise that "guys outside the top 10 rarely turn into anything anyways", and then completely go against their own logic by obsessing over how many 3rd and 4th round compensatory picks the team gets or talking up these mid round dudes the team has that haven't proven anything like they're all gonna be stars. Fact is, in the 3rd round, there's very likely 1 superstar in there, 3, MAYBE 4 dudes who turn into rock solid starters, and a lot of situational cats. That's where you go to complete a team and load it with depth, not where you go to fill giant gaping holes on both sides of the ball.

 

[kurtfaulk]

Yeah, except I've been down on some of these moves a lot longer than the last few days. Go join the other one in the corner.

Fact is and will remain we didn't *need* a Ramsey, we overpaid (at best, 1 1st and maybe a 4th should have been sent), and we had a lot bigger holes to fill than replacing one expensive corner with another one. Just this year alone, we've given up the number 20 pick in a draft that's pretty offensive line deep with plug-and-play 1st year starters in the 1st round (that pick could have been a Josh Jones, an Isaiah Wilson or an Andrew Thomas) and has some interesting linebackers at the top (could have pivoted and gone for a Patrick Queen or a Kenneth Murray) that would have filled a way bigger hole than CB. And we'd have them on the cheap for 5 years. Next year, we're very likely giving up a pick in the 9-12 range, which means a blue chip prospect.

I see people here talking about how the sack numbers went up after he arrived. Yeah, that tends to happen when you start off facing teams with generally solid offensive lines and then on the back end get teams like Arizona twice, a wounded Pittsburgh team that was getting run over by everybody, the Bungles and their terribad line, etc. I would certainly hope the numbers against those teams would be higher than they were against contenders with strong lines.

People here love to de-value 1st round picks under the guise that "guys outside the top 10 rarely turn into anything anyways", and then completely go against their own logic by obsessing over how many 3rd and 4th round compensatory picks the team gets or talking up these mid round dudes the team has that haven't proven anything like they're all gonna be stars. Fact is, in the 3rd round, there's very likely 1 superstar in there, 3, MAYBE 4 dudes who turn into rock solid starters, and a lot of situational cats. That's where you go to complete a team and load it with depth, not where you go to fill giant gaping holes on both sides of the ball.

i know there were differing opinions about the trade when it happened. some loved it. some hated it. some, like me, were indifferent about it.

why are you obsessing about it? it can't be changed.

i don't understand the wasted energy worrying about things you can't control.

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[I like Rams]

In fairness, the Rams didn't know Cooks and Gurley were going to have injury problems and guys like Littleton and Fowler were nobodies when the deal was done, who knew they would be prime players back then? They saw a good chance for a Superbowl run and took it. How often do most teams ever see a Superbowl? Things didn't work out as planned, but shit happens. WE all kick ourselves in the ass over decisions that seemed good at the time, but didn't go as planned.
The situation right now isn't as bad as some make it seem. We are strong at the skill positions that are expensive and require high picks. The needs we have now are at positions that can be filled with low cost FAs and mid round picks. I imagine that when it is all said and done we add 2 or 3 draft picks to our draft stash and fill most if not all of our needs.

Gurley was drafted while recovering from ACL surgery and was considered a high risk draft. Cooks also had concussion problems before signing with us. They should have protected themselves in their contract. Gurley had 2 years left on his rookie contract before needing to be extended and they could have at least seen how Cooks fit I to our system before signing him #1 money. Woods deserves number 1 money imo over Cooks. I understand shit happens, bu the writing was on the wall that these possibilities were highly possible.

As for Fowler and Littleton being nobodies...Fowler was a number 1 pick and being misused in Jax's system. Littleton was obviously looked upon highly considering he was given Olgetrees starting position.
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[iamme33]

i thought it was an appropriate symbol of how they infested the site after free agency began.

weird how you can complain about people who complain but we can't complain about things that happen with the team. oh well i guess i will just say you are absolutely right about everything and scurry back under the counter because someone just turned on the light.

 

[Poppinfresh]

i know there were differing opinions about the trade when it happened. some loved it. some hated it. some, like me, were indifferent about it.

why are you obsessing about it? it can't be changed.

i don't understand the wasted energy worrying about things you can't control.

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Using that logic, why are any of us here talking about anything the team does? We have no control over any of the moves they make or how they perform on the field. We should just wrap it up and go stare at a wall while we're all grounded by the governor.

 

[Dieter the Brock]

Using that logic, why are any of us here talking about anything the team does? We have no control over any of the moves they make or how they perform on the field. We should just wrap it up and go stare at a wall while we're all grounded by the governor.

 

[Merlin]

In fairness, the Rams didn't know Cooks and Gurley were going to have injury problems and guys like Littleton and Fowler were nobodies when the deal was done, who knew they would be prime players back then? They saw a good chance for a Superbowl run and took it. How often do most teams ever see a Superbowl? Things didn't work out as planned, but shit happens. WE all kick ourselves in the ass over decisions that seemed good at the time, but didn't go as planned.
The situation right now isn't as bad as some make it seem. We are strong at the skill positions that are expensive and require high picks. The needs we have now are at positions that can be filled with low cost FAs and mid round picks. I imagine that when it is all said and done we add 2 or 3 draft picks to our draft stash and fill most if not all of our needs.

Cooks has had many concussions in his career, they're not a new thing. And Gurley's knee was a known issue when the Rams drafted him, so the flak they're getting now about paying him with that record breaking contract a year early is valid.

So gonna disagree but I am still going to give you a like good sir because of that fantastic avatar you are rockin.

 

[kurtfaulk]

weird how you can complain about people who complain but we can't complain about things that happen with the team. oh well i guess i will just say you are absolutely right about everything and scurry back under the counter because someone just turned on the light.

Using that logic, why are any of us here talking about anything the team does? We have no control over any of the moves they make or how they perform on the field. We should just wrap it up and go stare at a wall while we're all grounded by the governor.

when it gets to this you know it's reached the end.

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