Show them the money?

[Ram Ts]

Snead is excited about that 5th round comp he’ll get for Miller

 

[Neil039]

If Von returns to Denver I’d be shocked beyond belief. If they get a top FA QB maybe. He left there heart broken and who’s to say they wouldn’t trade him again if the salary hit doesn’t provide a play off run.
IMO he’s loved here in Colorado but they don’t need him any where near as much as a solid starting QB.

 

[1maGoh]

Just playing devils advocate, would you take less than "market value" in your job if it made the organisations goals easier to achieve?

Of course. Market value is arbitrary. What I need to sustain my family at an acceptable level is a constant (for a given location) or darn close to constant. If giving up a little means we all come out better, I'm all for it. For example, when I joined the Army they offered me $40k to leave within 10 days. I told them I needed at least a month, preferably 40 days before I could go. They cut my bonus to $23k. I was fine with that because I wasn't going to bail on my current job or my wife like that. Morals over money.

Our market values, at least in my profession, are no where near meaning the same thing as a NFL player of great status. I get it's a free market and the NFL makes tons of money, but I still think players make way too much fucking money for playing a game. The money they make can set up their kids kids for life. Just what I believe in, but to each their own.

This is the other great point. We're not asking these guys to go from $20 an hour to minimum wage. Or $75 to $30 or hour. We're asking the question, "Would you rather make $22 million while winning the super bowl, or just make $28 million?". For me, to have my name attached to an accomplishment like back to back super bowl champions of gladly give up 6, 10, hell even 15 million dollars. I can live on 7 million. Pretty sure I can anyway. For Stafford is even crazier. That dude had already made so much dang money. He could legit retire and live of interest for the rest of his life several times over. Like, he could make multiple investments of enough money that any individual one would pay for living expenses for the rest of his life without spending another dollar of his current money. To play hard ball and ask to go from $30 million whatever per year to $45... That doesn't make any logical sense to me. You have everything you need. To me, the "enough money to live very very very very comfortable forever" box is checked, so I would be focusing on other things like trying to get a perfect season or breaking records with my insanely talented team. But that's just me.

 

[Allen2McVay]

For me, to have my name attached to an accomplishment like back to back super bowl champions of gladly give up 6, 10, hell even 15 million dollars. I can live on 7 million. Pretty sure I can anyway.

OK, that sounds good but can you rush-the-passer?

 

[payote75]

It may be partly money but maybe Denver is telling him they have a real shot at Rodgers and that would change everything. Having Rodgers makes Denver a legit contender as well and I'm sure they wouldn't stop there. So maybe that first domino needs to fall ....the domino being Rodgers.

 

[Faceplant]

Fuck Miller if he is indeed playing that shit. Goofy ass head shaped bastid....

 

[oldnotdead]

I think Stafford's contract will be cap friendly. They can structure it in many ways, i.e. with voidable years, lower yearly higher signing bonus to spread over multiple years, a lower base but incentive-based money like they did with Odell. OBJ will probably get a $1 contract with incentives like the past season. At best he won't be back until late November. AD's contract will be like Staffords with voidable years to spread the hit, and more "signing bonus" to spread over the entire contract. What I'm saying is exactly what I've been saying about all contracts, that it's all about the guaranteed money.

Stafford will get a 6 year deal IMO but basically a 4 maybe 5 year deal by structure. McVay's contract will be 6 years but he will stay only as long as Stafford. AD will probably be a 2 or 3 year deal by structure and I see him retiring anytime after 2 years. Odell probably gets a 4 year deal but basically 2 or 3 by structure. His injury history is too troubling to tie him up long-term. I think his contract will be heavily weighted with incentives.

IMO this team needs Noteboom and Allen more than Miller. They can probably sign both of them for what Miller is going to want. I think they will give him an offer, but if he wants huge money then he won't be re-signed.

It makes zero sense to extend Whitworth because his age and cap hit is too large. Close to $21M can be cleared from the cap by just releasing Whit and Havenstein. They can probably re-sign all the OL FAs with that. They then would have Noteboom at LT and Jackson at RT. OG is where the OL needs help. Corbett is serviceable but Edwards isn't. They can use Shelton as a bridge starter and draft behind him. The big unknowns are Evans and Anchrum and whether they can step up going into year two of Carberry.

It won't be easy but the Rams should be able to get the key FA signed.

 

[1maGoh]

OK, that sounds good but can you rush-the-passer?

Absolutely, but I don't think Stafford is going to appreciate me standing behind him screaming, "Hurry the fuck up and throw already!"

 

[Loyal]

We had a good defense without Von Miller, but it’s elite with him. He accomplished a few goals in LA, like getting AD a ring while providing experience to the younger guys in how to prepare and win a Super Bowl. We have our own homegrown experienced Champions now and Von was critical in doing that. I want him back badly, but I want the Rams to know his decision quickly so that we can make proper FA decisions….

 

[dieterbrock]

They’re all about the money. Because once they stop playing they won’t sniff that kind of bread ever again.

 

[den-the-coach]

If Von goes back to the Broncos it will make me sick. They have literally rented him to us for the last what, 8 games, for a 2nd and 3rd. Yeah he was great for us ,but painful for us and amazing for them.

Not really, Rams won the Super Bowl and the Broncos have a new Head Coach that IMO, is going to crash & burn.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

They’re all about the money. Because once they stop playing they won’t sniff that kind of bread ever again.

Makes more sense for players trying to cash in that never did. However, some of these players have already made a shit ton of money, so it's really greed after that. The funny part is that we don't even know what they make off the field which could be a lot depending on the player. For example, Gronk claims to have lived off his endorsement money and never touched any of his contract money.

 

[Tano]

I don't think it's just the organizationals goals as much as the players/organizational goals. These top tier players have all made enough to take a hit for the sake of winning or so it would seem. The concern here is that they make it sound that way until they win then it's more about the money, respect etc. Tom Brady looks more and more like theeee guy who made the concession for the good of all.

Tom Brady got his money from New England - just not thru his football contracts

He got it thru his outside enterprises that had contracts with New England.

I am not sure how that can be legal in the NFL but it is.

 

[dieterbrock]

Makes more sense for players trying to cash in that never did. However, some of these players have already made a shit ton of money, so it's really greed after that. The funny part is that we don't even know what they make off the field which could be a lot depending on the player. For example, Gronk claims to have lived off his endorsement money and never touched any of his contract money.

Greed? Hell no
What they've already made is irrelevant. First off, they've taken home less than half of what the contract value is, at best. Von has every right to go for one last contract, its not greed, he's earned it. Because once the pads are off, nobody gonna give 2 shits about him.
If the Rams cant afford him, its because they're paying somebody else. Not Von's fault

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Greed? Hell no
What they've already made is irrelevant. First off, they've taken home less than half of what the contract value is, at best. Von has every right to go for one last contract, its not greed, he's earned it. Because once the pads are off, nobody gonna give 2 shits about him.
If the Rams cant afford him, its because they're paying somebody else. Not Von's fault

Sorry man, we are going to always disagree there. It's all greed in the NFL (everyone from players to owners) but that's the environment created by us fans and the sport itself so I completely get it's not changing. They get paid millions to pay a game so saying they earned it is debatable in my opinion. I can go on all day of our shitty education system plus healthcare but that's just digging deeper and a whole other topic lol

 

[dieterbrock]

Sorry man, we are going to always disagree there. It's all greed in the NFL (everyone from players to owners) but that's the environment created by us fans and the sport itself so I completely get it's not changing. They get paid millions to pay a game so saying they earned it is debatable in my opinion. I can go on all day of our shitty education system plus healthcare but that's just digging deeper and a whole other topic lol

No the greed is on the fans who want the players to take less money so their team will benefit
I don't believe anyone who excels at their job would say to the boss, "hey man, just pay me market value"
But we expect professional athletes too? For our satisfaction?
Nah man....

 

[El Chapo Jr]

No the greed is on the fans who want the players to take less money so their team will benefit
I don't believe anyone who excels at their job would say to the boss, "hey man, just pay me market value"
But we expect professional athletes too? For our satisfaction?
Nah man....

I highly doubt the fans are greedy as we don't get shit anyways other than a chance, on paper, to cheer for a better team player wise so not sure how that plays into it. Can't compare our jobs paying us vs a professional athlete as we are talking about a whole different level of employment.

 

[“Turbo set!”]

Just playing devils advocate, would you take less than "market value" in your job if it made the organisations goals easier to achieve?

Not a chance.

Money burns fast. One thing to keep in mind is half the money these guys get goes to taxes and an agent.

 

[blackbart]

If Von goes back to the Broncos it will make me sick. They have literally rented him to us for the last what, 8 games, for a 2nd and 3rd. Yeah he was great for us ,but painful for us and amazing for them.

2 shitty picks and $700k is a bargain for a SB win

 

[Kupped]

Stafford and Miller are very different cases.
Stafford is getting a decent raise, no matter what. The only question is whether he'll push for absolute market value.
Miller is looking at either the same yearly number or a slight raise.

For Stafford, the question is how much he enjoys winning and trusts the organization to use any savings he helps them carve out to use it well. After this season, he'll be the third or fourth highest earning player in NFL history. Taking 35-40 million for Stafford is an actual discount, it seems.. crazy as that is.

Miller will end up in the top 15 in career earnings, it looks like.

I guess what I'm saying is that it's probably more realistic to expect Stafford to take less than it is to expect that from Miller, based on how much they've already made and how much they'll make on next deal.

@ScotsRam ... if I'm Stafford, I'm okay taking less money, for sure. It doesn't have anything to do with a moral compass. Playing for the organization you want to play for in an incredible city and potentially competing for a Super Bowl several times would outweigh being in that top pay tier, for me. I'm selfish and that would be a lot more fun.