Should the Rams explore moving Van Jefferson?

[LouisvilleRam]

I think a fair way to judge Van last season would be by looking at his numbers with Mayfield, 5 games 13 rec/233 yrds/1 TD. Not earth shattering no doubt, but would equate to 44/792/3 over a full season

Great way to calculate his numbers and those numbers are good for a #3 WR but average for a #2 WR

 

[PARAM]

Calling Mike Williams the Chargers #3 is real concise., no that was being totally clueless. Comparing Josh Reynolds stats from last year when he didn't play a full season to Jefferson's stats from 2 years ago is real concise.

Do you know the difference between "#3 WR" and "#3 in receptions"? If you have 3 WRs the guy with the 3rd most receptions is the #3.....at least at that time. I said, it wasn't the "depth chart", it was production. What number receiver was Mike Williams when he was in the tub for 4 games?

But still, let's hear it. Who are better #3 WRs in the NFL than Van Jefferson? You already said Boyd. And I'm guessing you're not keen on Palmer. So who. Give me the laundry list of better #3's.

On one hand you say, "Jefferson was the #2 for a lot of games". If Williams isn't the #3, no matter how many games he spent in the tub, then how can Jefferson be the #2 no matter how many games Kupp or Robinson was in the tub? You're talking in circles. Jefferson is the Rams #3. So his numbers are good "for a #3" but not "a #2"? No shit!!

**Let's trade him because we can't agree on what number receiver he is!!!!

 

[OldSchool]

Comparing a guys numbers from last season who played part of the season as the #2 and part of the season as #3 to a guys stats 2 years ago isn't very concise no matter how he spins it

I guess it's hard to understand. In 2021 the last time Van played with a starting QB in an offense that wasn't decimated by injuries he put up good numbers. His numbers in fact would have been the #3 WR in the Chargers offense, I'm just using that team because it seems to have been picked. Now people around here myself included are pointing out that Van is a good #3 WR. He was behind Kupp and OBJ and he would have been behind Allen and Williams. You look at all the top passing offenses and he's right in line with those teams #3 WR's. Some he's got more catches yards or TD's some less of one or the others. Statistically speaking when he's #3 in the Rams offense he matches #3's in other good passing offenses. Until recently I didn't realize people didn't realize this.

 

[LouisvilleRam]

I asked you what you meant by JAG (“just a guy”), and you listed several players who have had fairly long careers (significantly longer than average) and one guy (Britt) who once had a 1,000 yard season.

My point is… that’s setting a very high bar to be more than JAG. It’s like you’re eliminating the middle class and defining everyone as either rich or poor.

Right now, Jefferson is due to earn $1.7M for this, the final year of his contract. If he contributes 800+ yards again, that’s a very good value.

Throwing a “JAG” label on him doesn’t change that.

I agree great value and in my first post yesterday I said I wouldn't trade him. His numbers 2 years ago were great for a #3 WR but I'm not sure a lot of guys around the league in our system wouldn't have put up those numbers. I just look at Van physically and many say he's a great route runner and just don't understand why he isn't more dominate. I think as others have said he just doesn't play with a lot of intensity, he doesn't have that dog in him. I appreciate you keeping your post civil and always enjoy reading your posts even if I don't agree with all of them.

 

[LouisvilleRam]

Do you know the difference between "#3 WR" and "#3 in receptions"? If you have 3 WRs the guy with the 3rd most receptions is the #3.....at least at that time. I said, it wasn't the "depth chart", it was production. What number receiver was Mike Williams when he was in the tub for 4 games?

But still, let's hear it. Who are better #3 WRs in the NFL than Van Jefferson? You already said Boyd. And I'm guessing you're not keen on Palmer. So who. Give me the laundry list of better #3's.

On one hand you say, "Jefferson was the #2 for a lot of games". If Williams isn't the #3, no matter how many games he spent in the tub, then how can Jefferson be the #2 no matter how many games Kupp or Robinson was in the tub? You're talking in circles. Jefferson is the Rams #3. So his numbers are good "for a #3" but not "a #2"? No shit!!

**Let's trade him because we can't agree on what number receiver he is!!!!

Read my first post yesterday I said don't trade him. Keep spinning my words dipshit

 

[OldSchool]

Read my first post yesterday I said don't trade him. Keep spinning my words dipshit

Classy as always

 

[LouisvilleRam]

I guess it's hard to understand. In 2021 the last time Van played with a starting QB in an offense that wasn't decimated by injuries he put up good numbers. His numbers in fact would have been the #3 WR in the Chargers offense, I'm just using that team because it seems to have been picked. Now people around here myself included are pointing out that Van is a good #3 WR. He was behind Kupp and OBJ and he would have been behind Allen and Williams. You look at all the top passing offenses and he's right in line with those teams #3 WR's. Some he's got more catches yards or TD's some less of one or the others. Statistically speaking when he's #3 in the Rams offense he matches #3's in other good passing offenses. Until recently I didn't realize people didn't realize this.

So other #3 WR's around the league didn't. play on teams with injuries or back up QB's ? Injuries happen to other teams too I thought people realized this.

 

[LouisvilleRam]

Classy as always

Piling on as always

 

[nighttrain]

**Let's trade him because we can't agree on what number receiver he is!!!!

love this^
train

 

[dieterbrock]

Great way to calculate his numbers and those numbers are good for a #3 WR but average for a #2 WR

Yup, and that's why I think he's fine as the Rams #3, especially at his $$ amount. I think I catch your drift though, you'd like your #3 guy to be a guy ascending to a #2 or higher level, not a guy who's peaked at the 3 spot? Reasonable take IMO, and if I'm off the mark my bad.

 

[PARAM]

Read my first post yesterday I said don't trade him. Keep spinning my words dipshit

"Dipshit"? LMFAO.

What do you label somebody who says, "I appreciate you keeping your post civil" then doesn't himself. Classy?

Like some believe, "when you can't dispute the facts, attack the poster". Good job Louisville.

 

[LouisvilleRam]

Yup, and that's why I think he's fine as the Rams #3, especially at his $$ amount. I think I catch your drift though, you'd like your #3 guy to be a guy ascending to a #2 or higher level, not a guy who's peaked at the 3 spot? Reasonable take IMO, and if I'm off the mark my bad.

Exactly how I feel and who knows he may be that guy

 

[LouisvilleRam]

"Dipshit"? LMFAO.

What do you label somebody who says, "I appreciate you keeping your post civil" then doesn't himself. Classy?

Like some believe, "when you can't dispute the facts, attack the poster". Good job Louisville.

My bad that was uncalled for and AvengerRam did keep it civil unlike yourself Pennsylvania

 

[Memphis Ram]

Hate to answer a question with a question, but was being a #3 WR, the expected ceiling for Van Jefferson when he was drafted?

 

[OldSchool]

Hate to answer a question with a question, but was being a #3 WR, the expected ceiling for Van Jefferson when he was drafted?

Technically when he was drafted he was the #4 behind Kupp, Woods and Reynolds with 2 TE over 40 receptions. I'd say the plan was to develop him but he wasn't as a rookie expected to do a ton. Could he grow into more? Maybe but with the roster he was drafted into I'd say he wasn't expected to be a #1 or #2.

 

[snackdaddy]

If we trade Jefferson does anyone think we will get a day 2 pick? I don't. I think it would be a day 3 pick. And not early. I still say he's worth more to us than the pick they would get in return.

If its all about next season maybe I could see it. But if there is a chance we could make a run at the playoffs he's gonna be needed.

 

[Riverumbbq]

Hate to answer a question with a question, but was being a #3 WR, the expected ceiling for Van Jefferson when he was drafted?

Good question, ... and no, I don't believe the plan was for Van Jeff's ceiling to be only as a #3. He was drafted in the 2'nd round at #57 overall. I suspect Robert Woods' salary was already looking to be getting excessive going forward and Reynolds only had 326 total yards in 2019, ... it was in 2020, after Van Jefferson was drafted that Reynolds had his best season during his 'contract' year.

 

[thirteen28]

If we trade Jefferson does anyone think we will get a day 2 pick? I don't. I think it would be a day 3 pick. And not early. I still say he's worth more to us than the pick they would get in return.

Exactly. There are no Bill O'Briens out there that are going to give us a day 2 pick for Van. The only way we would have a chance at that would be during the season, approaching the trade deadline, for a team with some injuries that was desperate.

 

[kurtfaulk]

Hate to answer a question with a question, but was being a #3 WR, the expected ceiling for Van Jefferson when he was drafted?

i guess the rams saw him as the robert woods replacement but he's never had a chance to make a push for the #2 spot. in the middle of his breakout year the rams signed obj so he was stuck at #3. then he injured his knee and couldn't even start the next season on the field. by the time he came back wolford and perkins were throwing the ball.

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[dieterbrock]

Hate to answer a question with a question, but was being a #3 WR, the expected ceiling for Van Jefferson when he was drafted?

So he was expected to overtake Kupp as the #1?
Id say it’s debatable whos 2/3 heading in to ‘23 between he and Robinson.