SF round 1 Vent Thread

[99Balloons]

McVay got figured out by dominant physical, smash-mouth football teams and he has no answers to offense and defense against teams like the Titans, Niners and even Colts (even though Rams barely won that game).

It's time for McVay to either give the reigns to some OC and hire a decent DC and ST coach. Or else, McVay must go.

 

[Kupped]

I'm a big, BIG McVay fan. Huge.

But he's got several blind spots that he just hasn't addressed and does not seem to be growing and learning.

Look how easy it was for the 9ers to come up with a plan on both sides of the ball that completely, 100% exposed the Rams worst tendencies on both sides of the ball... as well as a completely batshit fake FG call.

I don't know where the break is in him or why it consistently happens, but his love of the passing game and seeing "full activation" of 5 targets is driving me a little crazy right now. Running the ball still matters. Mixing up personnel and formations, if you know what you're doing, is a good thing.

When I look at what the Saints manage to do with their QBs this year and what the Rams are doing, it depresses the hell out of me. I see no creativity and no urgency.

 

[OldSchool]

I've said in another post there is plenty of blame to go around but 3 weeks ago he was a legit mvp candidate on a team he'd only played with for 8 games. 2 of the picks over the last 2 games were on the receivers and I missed the first drive but it sounds like obj may have slowed up on the route making the ball appear to be overthrown.

I've really not liked watching these past 2 games but I want to see how the team plays the packers off our bye before I lift the glass on the panic button

And he's gotten away with at least a handful of other picks that were bad passes by him. Yes Higbee screwed up this week. Last two weeks against the first teams we've played that were good aside from Arizona (Niners are only good vs us) he's come up short in a big way. We can make all the excuses we want to for him but he's not performed simple as that. He was brought in to not have these kind of games because he was McVay's guy and so far it's not working at all when it needs to the most. We've yet to have a good first quarter except maybe vs the Bears, can't do that and be a serious playoff contender.

 

[Kupped]

And he's gotten away with at least a handful of other picks that were bad passes by him. Yes Higbee screwed up this week. Last two weeks against the first teams we've played that were good aside from Arizona (Ninvers are only good vs us) he's come up short in a big way. We can make all the excuses we want to for him but he's not performed simple as that. He was brought in to not have these kind of games because he was McVay's guy and so far it's not working at all when it needs to the most. We've yet to have a good first quarter except maybe vs the Bears, can't do that and be a serious playoff contender.

The Rams have gone completely away from under center play action because Stafford isn't comfortable with it.

Guess what, Matthew.. time to get comfortable with it.

 

[thirteen28]

The Rams have gone completely away from under center play action because Stafford isn't comfortable with it.

Guess what, Matthew.. time to get comfortable with it.

Agree completely, but it's also time for McVay to get comfortable to committing to offensive balance and running the ball more than 8 or 11 times a game, otherwise there is no need for any opposing D to respect the play action.

 

[Kupped]

Agree completely, but it's also time for McVay to get comfortable to committing to offensive balance and running the ball more than 8 or 11 times a game, otherwise there is no need for any opposing D to respect the play action.

Absolutely. The one won't work without the other.

 

[Jacobarch]

Agree completely, but it's also time for McVay to get comfortable to committing to offensive balance and running the ball more than 8 or 11 times a game, otherwise there is no need for any opposing D to respect the play action.

Exactly. It's funny because the answers are there. And mcVay doesn't seem to want to adjust. It's weird

 

[ProGen]

I sure do miss play action

 

[Liberator]

He's never beaten a physical team with comparable talent to the Rams

Cowboys in 2018. I know that's a long time ago but saying he's never done it is just wrong. Patriots last year were not world beaters but I wouldn't classify them as bad either, certainly Bill's teams are always physical. Idk I think the reasons behind these losses aren't as simple as "we can't beat physical teams".

 

[Kupped]

Cowboys in 2018. I know that's a long time ago but saying he's never done it is just wrong. Patriots last year were not world beaters but I wouldn't classify them as bad either, certainly Bill's teams are always physical. Idk I think the reasons behind these losses aren't as simple as "we can't beat physical teams".

I don't know.. but McVay sure has a problem against them.

 

[thirteen28]

Cowboys in 2018. I know that's a long time ago but saying he's never done it is just wrong. Patriots last year were not world beaters but I wouldn't classify them as bad either, certainly Bill's teams are always physical. Idk I think the reasons behind these losses aren't as simple as "we can't beat physical teams".

We won those games because McVay committed to doing what was necessary to beat them. Against the Cowboys in the playoffs, the opposing D couldn't stop our run game so McVay ran it right down their fucking throats and sucked the soul right out of them, throwing the ball just enough to keep the Cowboys D honest. He took what they were giving them.

Against the Patriots last year? Same thing, because it was working, they couldn't stop it and we didn't need to go pass crazy to win.

In both of those games, the Rams won in dominating fashion (despite the deceptive score in the Dallas game).

I don't know.. but McVay sure has a problem against them.

See above. McVay has learned neither from his successes against physical teams per the examples above, nor from his failures up to an including last night's debacle.

 

[Liberator]

By two scores, I should have said two TDs. That is what I meant. I don't consider 10-0 to be an overly big hole. Now, 10-0 is certainly not a tiny deficit. And it's not easy to battle back from. Full marks for coming back from it. I certainly remember that game well. It is probably the Rams game I look back on most fondly, discounting the 1999 Super Bowl win. But the psychological challenge to come back from 14-0 is much larger than 10-0, and is IMO the score point at which things start to "look bleak", hence why I had that in mind as an arbitrary query point.

Coming back from 10-0 in the Superdome in the NFC Championship game is one of the most impressive things I've seen a team do. Let's not discredit that just to make a point.

 

[Zodi]

Where's Sony Michel? Hendo is a great complementary back but he is not the dude. The loss of Akers becomes more and more evident with each game.

 

[So Ram]

I don't care - I still wanted Creed Humphrey over Tutu lol

Plus I was banging the desk for Biadesz over Hopkins too

I guess I feel you should focus on OL before you focus on other areas on offense once you have the QB you want

Yes - if there was one position The Rams needed was a Center in most of our views around here.
I agree with you that both those players fell into The Rams lap & had good value.Chad Humphries would have been a penciled in starter imo.
The Rams had Austin Corbett at center who is a FA,then Coleman,& Allen.To me it made sense to solidify the position with a young player for 4 years.
It’s easy to second guess,I was against The Rams(Les Snead) trading up to draft Tavon Austin & Lamarcus Joyner.Then to franchise him showed lack of depth. These were smaller players who could always be over matched.
DD21 is an example of that no matter how well he plays.Tutu Atwell is actually small then them all.Point being if Atwell gets stronger maybe he can be like a poor man’s Ty Hill.
The Rams didn’t trade up for him & he could end up being an explosive PR guy ? Who Knows??

 

[Tano]

Yes - if there was one position The Rams needed was a Center in most of our views around here.
I agree with you that both those players fell into The Rams lap & had good value.Chad Humphries would have been a penciled in starter imo.
The Rams had Austin Corbett at center who is a FA,then Coleman,& Allen.To me it made sense to solidify the position with a young player for 4 years.
It’s easy to second guess,I was against The Rams(Les Snead) trading up to draft Tavon Austin & Lamarcus Joyner.Then to franchise him showed lack of depth. These were smaller players who could always be over matched.
DD21 is an example of that no matter how well he plays.Tutu Atwell is actually small then them all.Point being if Atwell gets stronger maybe he can be like a poor man’s Ty Hill.
The Rams didn’t trade up for him & he could end up being an explosive PR guy ? Who Knows??

We can always hope.

I had such high hopes for Tavon Austin and when that blew up, I am now against any player who is even smaller than Tavon Austin.

 

[Kupped]

We won those games because McVay committed to doing what was necessary to beat them. Against the Cowboys in the playoffs, the opposing D couldn't stop our run game so McVay ran it right down their fucking throats and sucked the soul right out of them, throwing the ball just enough to keep the Cowboys D honest. He took what they were giving them.

Against the Patriots last year? Same thing, because it was working, they couldn't stop it and we didn't need to go pass crazy to win.

In both of those games, the Rams won in dominating fashion (despite the deceptive score in the Dallas game).



See above. McVay has learned neither from his successes against physical teams per the examples above, nor from his failures up to an including last night's debacle.

You'll forgive me, but I greatly discredit the Pats game as an example. My reasoning for that is that I don't think the Rams believed for a second that the Pats could score enough to beat them, period.

The Cowboys game? That's a GREAT example. I like that.

 

[thirteen28]

Coming back from 10-0 in the Superdome in the NFC Championship game is one of the most impressive things I've seen a team do. Let's not discredit that just to make a point.

It was actually 13-0, but that only reinforces your point.

 

[thirteen28]

You'll forgive me, but I greatly discredit the Pats game as an example. My reasoning for that is that I don't think the Rams believed for a second that the Pats could score enough to beat them, period.

The Cowboys game? That's a GREAT example. I like that.

Fair enough.

And maybe in the case of the Pats game last year is that McVay knew he had a DC that would commit to letting his guys be physical and aggressive and that would go far in stopping the Pats offense ... as it did.

 

[Kupped]

Fair enough.

And maybe in the case of the Pats game last year is that McVay knew he had a DC that would commit to letting his guys be physical and aggressive and that would go far in stopping the Pats offense ... as it did.

The disconnect here is that I don't believe, for a second, that McVay isn't immersed in the defensive game planning. It's his defense more than it's Morris'.

 

[thirteen28]

The disconnect here is that I don't believe, for a second, that McVay isn't immersed in the defensive game planning. It's his defense more than it's Morris'.

I don't disagree at all. The buck stops with McVay. He hired Morris, and part of the reason he went with Staley the year before is so that he could become immersed in the defense. And if he's letting Morris pull him in the wrong direction, it's up to him to pull himself back. If he can't see that our players are not being used properly, it's as much his fault as it is Raheem's.

I think part of his problem is that he projects his offensive tendencies onto other teams instead of looking at them as who they are. And he's not honest about himself either. He needs to brush up on his Sun Tzu.