Roughing the passer.

[RamsFanCK]

Personal Foul, Sacking the Quarterback. 15 yard penalty, automatic...eff you.

 

[Angry Ram]

Tell that to William Hayes.

It's not always possible to "wrap and roll" and to force that gets injuries like what happened to Hayes.

I finally saw that William Hayes play. It's unfortunate he got hurt, but I'm not going to correlate it this new rule. That is fake ammunition for the anti-rule crowd. ACLs can pop to any player at any time on any given play.

For real, if you can't see that Rodgers was driven into the turf and that was a textbook roughing call, then we just have nothing to discuss

It's not roughing because he wrapped up first, and twisted him down. Yes, it was hard. Yes, Aaron Rodgers' helmet hit the turf. Inadvertent. But the Redskins players used his arms and popped his hips to bring him down. And no, all or most of his weight was not on Aaron Rodgers, since you can see his legs hanging off. He didn't launch himself, either.

Again there's nothing in the rule saying you have to be gentle in your wrap and tackle.

Personal Foul, Sacking the Quarterback. 15 yard penalty, automatic...eff you.

No, that is not what is happening.

I think they are ruining the game. QB's are football players and deserve to get hit like one if they have the ball. Otherwise get them a ballet outfit...pink, preferably.

It's being ruined for years now...yet the games are still going strong?

 

[Loyal]

It's being ruined for years now...yet the games are still going strong?

Actually I know a lot of people who are no longer NFL fans because of various reasons. Parents are not letting their kids go out for the football team, so they can play soccer (or whatever). Baseball players get fully gtd contracts, and we know about the NFL....People are switching from landlines and traditional sat tv and cable tv, to internet viewing, and I doubt they have a true feel about how many are actually watching since it's harder to track people that "cut the cord."

There are shaky days ahead for the NFL. Don't want to argue though, because it doesn't really matter. Whats gonna happen, will happen.

 

[kurtfaulk]

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Clay Matthews needs another 20 roughing the passer calls and it still won't make up for all the shit he got away with earlier in his career.

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[Angry Ram]

Actually I know a lot of people who are no longer NFL fans because of various reasons. Parents are not letting their kids go out for the football team, so they can play soccer (or whatever). Baseball players get fully gtd contracts, and we know about the NFL....People are switching from landlines and traditional sat tv and cable tv, to internet viewing, and I doubt they have a true feel about how many are actually watching since it's harder to track people that "cut the cord."

There are shaky days ahead for the NFL. Don't want to argue though, because it doesn't really matter. Whats gonna happen, will happen.

That's their choice, but IMO it's just a drop in the bucket. In my experience...just this past Sunday I had to go to Target and the Dollar Store. Electronic employees were watching NFL Redzone, and the Dollar Store guy was watching the Packers/Redskins on his phone! Hell he even told me he was pissed at the Redskins for letting Sean McVay go to y'all (I was wearing my Rams hat lol).

On the flip side, every NFL event I've been to, the venue has been packed. I'll never forget going to the Super Bowl fan experience and seeing fans of all 32 teams being represented. Packed.

I don't buy the NFL is being "ruined", especially by this rule. Just seems like the vocal minority, and as per usual, are located on twitter. And probably a fan of the team that lost that Sunday. Ha.

 

[Debacled]

Lots of subjective opinions here. Bottom line is if the last two penalties Matthews has been slapped with were called correctly, then Suh should have been slapped with one as well.

I strongly disagree with any of them even being considered as penalties let alone being called as such. Too many people watch these plays in slow motion and hyper analyze everything going on. These plays are happening in a fraction of a second and defenders mindset is get to the QB and get him however possible.

There is an easy fit. Call in the grasp nearly immediately. QBs are going to hate it, but that needs to be the cost for essentially making it impossible to take them to the ground--especially when they can just throw it away or still try to escape after a defender has gotten to them.

 

[kurtfaulk]

There is an easy fit. Call in the grasp nearly immediately.

How is that gonna help anything? All these rtp penalties are hits. There's no grasping going on in them.

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[Debacled]

How is that gonna help anything? All these rtp penalties are hits. There's no grasping going on in them.

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They aren't going to backtrack on the rule change, that much is clear from the way they are so strongly defending head scratching roughing calls. How else do you propose a change? The easiest one would be to make it so defenders aren't looking to take players to the ground as dumb as that sounds.

It would be much easier to remove the new interpretation....but they won't do that. The calls we have seen this year haven't resembled what happened to Rodgers last year, even if the rule change was meant to address that. We are watching a pretty drastic overreaction to that play from last year (which had dirty written all over it).

 

[kurtfaulk]

They aren't going to backtrack on the rule change, that much is clear from the way they are so strongly defending head scratching roughing calls. How else do you propose a change? The easiest one would be to make it so defenders aren't looking to take players to the ground as dumb as that sounds.

It would be much easier to remove the new interpretation....but they won't do that. The calls we have seen this year haven't resembled what happened to Rodgers last year, even if the rule change was meant to address that. We are watching a pretty drastic overreaction to that play from last year (which had dirty written all over it).

it's pretty simple. hit the qb as hard as you like, just don't fall on top of them with your body weight. i still don't understand the hysterics about that matthews rtp penalty against the skins. he hit smith with his shoulder and his full body weight landed on top of smith. bring a swinging arm around his chest and try to hit the ball in the process. then when he falls to the ground you will be falling next to him instead of on top of him.

because players now days have been taught, in the last decade, to put their full body weight on the qb to injure them when they tackle them, they've forgotten how it should be done properly.

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[Debacled]

it's pretty simple. hit the qb as hard as you like, just don't fall on top of them with your body weight. i still don't understand the hysterics about that matthews rtp penalty against the skins. he hit smith with his shoulder and his full body weight landed on top of smith. bring a swinging arm around his chest and try to hit the ball in the process. then when he falls to the ground you will be falling next to him instead of on top of him.

because players now days have been taught, in the last decade, to put their full body weight on the qb to injure them when they tackle them, they've forgotten how it should be done properly.

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The body weight thing has been a penalty for YEARS. I don't know where people are getting the idea that this is new??? Nothing new is being taught to players, especially with regards to intent to injure. The reffing has been drastically changed this past year in response to last year's Aaron Rodgers injury (which doesn't compare really to what is being called this year). That hit was late(he got up immediately looking to see if the pass that flew past his face was complete) and intentionally violent as Barr curled up to slam him into the ground.

The penalty involving Cousins two weeks ago was ridiculous. This one against Smith I have a problem with simply because it was a great form tackle. He wrapped Smith up and took him to the ground--there was no extra action with him dipping or trying to slam Smith. Defensive players are essentially being told to use terrible form when it comes to tackling QBs and that can come back to bite them when you have a guy like Roethlisberger in Pittsburgh or Russel Wilson who is chomping at the bit for defenders to try and arm tackle them.

 

[kurtfaulk]

The body weight thing has been a penalty for YEARS. I don't know where people are getting the idea that this is new??? Nothing new is being taught to players, especially with regards to intent to injure. The reffing has been drastically changed this past year in response to last year's Aaron Rodgers injury (which doesn't compare really to what is being called this year). That hit was late(he got up immediately looking to see if the pass that flew past his face was complete) and intentionally violent as Barr curled up to slam him into the ground.

The penalty involving Cousins two weeks ago was ridiculous. This one against Smith I have a problem with simply because it was a great form tackle. He wrapped Smith up and took him to the ground--there was no extra action with him dipping or trying to slam Smith. Defensive players are essentially being told to use terrible form when it comes to tackling QBs and that can come back to bite them when you have a guy like Roethlisberger in Pittsburgh or Russel Wilson who is chomping at the bit for defenders to try and arm tackle them.

we're never gonna agree about it. players were told not to throw their full body weight on a defenceless qb. matthews did exactly that on smith. after being flagged twice in the previous two games. yet he still put himself in a position to do it again. he's a fucking idiot that deserves to have flags thrown for his dumbarseness.

i will celebrate every time it happens to him.

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[UKram]

all i know is this rule is going make it so Refs can keep games closer in the grnad shceme of things .... i mean i dont believe that the Refs are shills of the NFL and are giving certain instructions but was there a single holding call against the chargers ? i saw at least three blatant holds (one play a lineman literally had a choke hold on donald )

i wonder if anyone will change their tune if Donald gets hurt trying to make sure his body weight doesn't land on the QB
jack youngblood played games on a broken leg
Favre had 200 something straight starts and there wasn't the protection that QBs get nowadays
Brady will play to 50

 

[Classic Rams]

Rivers took off to run and was no where near sliding. Suh's hit was different than Matthews' hit in that sense.

When a QB is standing behind the LoS looking for a receiver he can be a sitting duck, as we all know. The NFL looks like they're being protective of the passer who is back there looking for a reciever. The defender can not show any body language that he is slamming his weight down on a passer who is standing back there, or even moving around (not becoming a RB yet.) I get it. I don't particularly like it, but it's the "Rogers Rule" (vs the Vikings last year). Low hits to the knees is the "Brady Rule" (from a few years ago vs the Bengals). Both QBs were out for some time and we know the NFL doesn't want to see that. It's not flag football... yet. It's more you cannot punish a QB when he's back there. Though when the QB takes off and runs he can get popped if he doesn't slide (Rivers and Jimmy G, and even Goff in 2016 vs Sherman.)

As for Clay - exactly what Kurtfaulk said - 52 in green has been trying to hurt QBs for years. I still remember him launching himself like a missile at Foles, which pretty much ended his time with the Rams after that. Thanks to that oh-lay by G Rob, Foles never seemed to trust his line.

 

[UKram]

I just think they are making it impossible for a Defender to tackle the QB ..i mean as it is they have a certain “hit box” (below the shoulder above the knee) and they have to remember contort their body to not land on him all while this 6ft 4 300 pound is moving as fast as they can



All the arguments for form tackles are also a little out of place.. generally speaking in football 95% of tackles are on a moving target that’s usually headed toward you (as the tackler) and we were taught in rugby you hit them thigh high warp your arms around the legs (and if they were bigger than you hold on for dear life )which is fine when you have two moving players



With the QBs pretty much standing still in the pocket that’s not an easy thing to do especially when you’ve had to fight your way past a mountain of man and knowing you have on average 3-4 seconds to get to the QB going full tilt to get that sack



Im of the opinion that QBS get the most cheese and I do understand the NFL wants to protect the teams investments but they also need to predict the integrity of the game … its hard enough to tackle russel Wilson ,, big ben ,, cam ,,,good luck doing it this new interpretation of the rule

 

[bubbaramfan]

Stupid rule enacted only to save owners investment. Owners don't want to invest in research and development of helmets and equipment that will protect players. Just change the rules, its cheaper.
Its football and people fall on top of people every play of the game. Dogpiles are common, its part of the game. Now they make a rule that excludes only one player, and defenders have only split seconds to alter their trajectory.

Just get it over with and Make every QB wear an orange-glow jersey or flat out outlaw the sack.

They keep changing the rules for the offense. When does the defense get a break?

 

[UKram]

Stupid rule enacted only to save owners investment. Owners don't want to invest in research and development of helmets and equipment that will protect players. Just change the rules, its cheaper.
Its football and people fall on top of people every play of the game. Dogpiles are common, its part of the game. Now they make a rule that excludes only one player, and defenders have only split seconds to alter their trajectory.

Just get it over with and Make every QB wear an orange-glow jersey or flat out outlaw the sack.

They keep changing the rules for the offense. When does the defense get a break?

or implement a 6 second rule ...if the QB hasn't thrown the ball within 6 seconds its a sack and loss of down

 

[LesBaker]

I don't buy the NFL is being "ruined", especially by this rule.

I agree, the NFL isn't being ruined by rules changes.

If anything ever effects the NFL it's their image.

it's pretty simple. hit the qb as hard as you like, just don't fall on top of them with your body weight.

IMO players are testing to see what they can get away with, just like when the rule about clutching a WR was changed years back.

yet he still put himself in a position to do it again

I can't stand the guy, and he has plenty of dirty hits on his resume.

Im of the opinion that QBS get the most cheese and I do understand the NFL wants to protect the teams investments but they also need to predict the integrity of the game

Keeping players from intentionally injuring other players is actually protecting the integrity of the game.

Pretty much every rule change since the beginning of the NFL falls into one of two buckets. Player safety and helping the teams score more points.

 

[Ramstien]

They should just put flags on the QBs and when someone pulls a flag they are down. This way they don't have to worry about them taking any hits. This is what the NFL is coming to!

 

[Psycho_X]

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