Robert Kraft charged with solicitation in sex trafficking ring

[LesBaker]

i think what they are really trying to do is get those attached to the trafficking aspect of the case and not so much the "johns". See, if all the johns admit the facts, that makes it easier to convict the others. Essentially, it's a pre-trial diversion deal. After a year of staying clean, all charges would be gone. Only the arrest will show.

Also the police like to "shame" guys that go to sex workers.

Years ago the local paper back home used to get the names of the guys arrested and publish them in order to embarrass them. They got a letter from an attorney and that put an end to it.

 

[Loyal]

Don't really care if Kraft is arrested at all. I would LOVE to see a Kraft perp walk, and be forced to give Putin his Super Bowl 53 ring, to go along with the Super Bowl 36 he already has....

 

[Raptorman]

Also the police like to "shame" guys that go to sex workers.

Years ago the local paper back home used to get the names of the guys arrested and publish them in order to embarrass them. They got a letter from an attorney and that put an end to it.

Every person arrested in FL in this case had his name and picture in the local paper.

 

[wolfdogg]

i think what they are really trying to do is get those attached to the trafficking aspect of the case and not so much the "johns". See, if all the johns admit the facts, that makes it easier to convict the others. Essentially, it's a pre-trial diversion deal. After a year of staying clean, all charges would be gone. Only the arrest will show.

Next time I get pulled over I'm telling the officer that ill admit to doing 90 in a school zone while surfing the web for the ultimate margarita recipe, if he'll rip up the ticket.

 

[Soul Surfer]

It'll be fresh again when Kraft's attorneys have to appear in court

Let's just hope they don't have to rely on DNA evidence.

 

[LesBaker]

Every person arrested in FL in this case had his name and picture in the local paper.

But people who committed other crimes have not had that public shaming

this kind of thing should not be allowed it's unfair to Target one group of people for breaking one specific law

But this is sort of an ultra-conservative conservative and religious state

 

[Selassie I]

But people who committed other crimes have not had that public shaming

this kind of thing should not be allowed it's unfair to Target one group of people for breaking one specific law

But this is sort of an ultra-conservative conservative and religious state

That's not exactly true Les.

I can't remember the name of the "paper"... but my office manager buys this paper every other week or so and brings it back to the office. It's a paper that shows recent mugshots of people and lists their charge(s) and their name directly under their mugshot. They have the people separated by Florida counties.

All kinds of crimes... small and large.

The mugshots are insane at times. We try to look at the mugshot and guess the crimes before we actually peek at the charge under the pic.

So... you can get the mugshots and charges pretty easy. You can even look it up county by county on their websites and see the mugshots and charges.

In this case... the local papers decided to post em.

Look for that paper that I mentioned at your local convenience stores.

 

[Mackeyser]

That's not exactly true Les.

I can't remember the name of the "paper"... but my office manager buys this paper every other week or so and brings it back to the office. It's a paper that shows recent mugshots of people and lists their charge(s) and their name directly under their mugshot. They have the people separated by Florida counties.

All kinds of crimes... small and large.

The mugshots are insane at times. We try to look at the mugshot and guess the crimes before we actually peek at the charge under the pic.

So... you can get the mugshots and charges pretty easy. You can even look it up county by county on their websites and see the mugshots and charges.

In this case... the local papers decided to post em.

Look for that paper that I mentioned at your local convenience stores.

That would not help as a resource in a game of Florida vs Aliens...

 

[LesBaker]

That's not exactly true Les.

I can't remember the name of the "paper"... but my office manager buys this paper every other week or so and brings it back to the office. It's a paper that shows recent mugshots of people and lists their charge(s) and their name directly under their mugshot. They have the people separated by Florida counties.

All kinds of crimes... small and large.

The mugshots are insane at times. We try to look at the mugshot and guess the crimes before we actually peek at the charge under the pic.

So... you can get the mugshots and charges pretty easy. You can even look it up county by county on their websites and see the mugshots and charges.

In this case... the local papers decided to post em.

Look for that paper that I mentioned at your local convenience stores.

I seen that publication in racks in gas stations what I'm talking about is the actual daily paper not some little rag the actual newspaper.

The magazine you're talking about shows everything from drunk driving to robbery assault and so on the the paper I'm talking about only listed people arrested for soliciting a prostitute.

I'm no fan of craft or the Patriots obviously but asking him to come out and admit guilt without a trial simply to shame him is completely fucked up and runs counter to anything that I understand as a decent justice system this is design strictly to further embarrassed these guys

 

[LesBaker]

To be clear, I am not defending the actions as appropriate.

But there is no reason for the local paper and police to further embarrass these guys. The real issue here is the sex trafficking and I feel like the officials involved here are grandstanding for political gain.

I'm not cool with that.

 

[Mackeyser]

I seen that publication in racks in gas stations what I'm talking about is the actual daily paper not some little rag the actual newspaper.

The magazine you're talking about shows everything from drunk driving to robbery assault and so on the the paper I'm talking about only listed people arrested for soliciting a prostitute.

I'm no fan of craft or the Patriots obviously but asking him to come out and admit guilt without a trial simply to shame him is completely freaked up and runs counter to anything that I understand as a decent justice system this is design strictly to further embarrassed these guys

Couple things.

1) I agree about the shaming as puritanical nonsense. Consensual sex work should be legal and regulated because what consenting adults do is really none of anyone's business and inevitably the enforcement isn't uniform.

2) I can understand if the direction of the paper is to expose the sex trafficking trade. That very issue was part of why I turned down that 7 figure plus job.

I had architected the World's first Mac-based modular render farm in early 2000. Prior to that, the only way to get video on the web was to either do an individual render from the editor (batch rendering was available but was problematic due to a host of issues and nearly impossible on Windows as the color was crap) or to run a big Unix box which at that time meant paying big money for the box, the custom code and the administration. Anyway, as happens with many dot.coms, we had an idea for a multi billion dollar company and the guys running it didn't have a clue even when the tech worked and it folded.../shrug. Thing is that they hired a sketchy guy to replace me. And while he didn't have the foggiest clue about tech, he knew sketchy people and I got a soft offer as was SUPER common in those days to build my render farm for them. It was to be an amateur porn site, the FIRST ever on the internet. The offer was around $300K +stock +bonuses which put first year compensation at least in the 7 figures. People forget that Pornhub, the first site to do this didn't open until 2007 and this was to build it in 2000, a full 7 years before. I specifically turned it down because it doesn't take tons of mindfulness to realize that any such venture would quickly be overrun with pimps forcing their pros to perform sex acts on camera, sex slaves being recorded for the purposes of advertising services or sale as well as other instances where the initial mission of allowing people to democratize their personal sexual agency would be subsumed by everything from fake amateur vids to actual sex slaves being recorded. I just couldn't be a part of that even tangentially.

3) These pre-trial diversions are part of how the system walks back from how it used to do business. it's meant to allow someone to not have their lives ruined for what is in most instances a victimless crime. However, since it is still illegal, the defendants have to admit that they would have been guilty (that's important for those who commit the crimes again, especially within the next 12 months) which saves jurisdictions as well as defendants lots of court costs, do community service and the partake in programs to help not commit these crimes in the future.

It's not the same as asking someone to plead where the defendant is underrepresented or not represented at all based on sketchy evidence. Often, with these programs, the proof is overwhelming. Rest assured, if there was ANY way for a billionaire to get out of this, he'd have his TEAMS of lawyers doing that right now. He's guilty and he knows it and no one really wants to take cases like these to trial if it can be helped.

TL;dr Yes, it's puritanical BS, but it's also part of how the legal system is reforming incrementally to go back from how it dealt with this in the past. The shaming isn't being done by the system, but by a particular paper or papers. And that's more of an indictment of the Media Infotainment Complex as opposed to the legal system writ large.

Thanks for coming to my TEDtalk.

 

[Selassie I]

I seen that publication in racks in gas stations what I'm talking about is the actual daily paper not some little rag the actual newspaper.

The magazine you're talking about shows everything from drunk driving to robbery assault and so on the the paper I'm talking about only listed people arrested for soliciting a prostitute.

I'm no fan of craft or the Patriots obviously but asking him to come out and admit guilt without a trial simply to shame him is completely freaked up and runs counter to anything that I understand as a decent justice system this is design strictly to further embarrassed these guys

Embarrassing the shit out of people like this will obviously negatively impact the sex trafficking "business" by making Johns think twice about paying for sex in areas where it's illegal.

Even if it only hurts sex trafficking in a tiny amount... it's fucking worth it if you're asking me. They need to use all the tools they can to rid the planet of these traffickers.

 

[Psycho_X]

Local papers around here post names every week of anyone involved with a crime unless it’s a juvenile. Small town shaming is a common practice. This just happens to be on a much larger stage.

 

[Ken]

Couple things.

1) I agree about the shaming as puritanical nonsense. Consensual sex work should be legal and regulated because what consenting adults do is really none of anyone's business and inevitably the enforcement isn't uniform.

2) I can understand if the direction of the paper is to expose the sex trafficking trade. That very issue was part of why I turned down that 7 figure plus job.

I had architected the World's first Mac-based modular render farm in early 2000. Prior to that, the only way to get video on the web was to either do an individual render from the editor (batch rendering was available but was problematic due to a host of issues and nearly impossible on Windows as the color was crap) or to run a big Unix box which at that time meant paying big money for the box, the custom code and the administration. Anyway, as happens with many dot.coms, we had an idea for a multi billion dollar company and the guys running it didn't have a clue even when the tech worked and it folded.../shrug. Thing is that they hired a sketchy guy to replace me. And while he didn't have the foggiest clue about tech, he knew sketchy people and I got a soft offer as was SUPER common in those days to build my render farm for them. It was to be an amateur porn site, the FIRST ever on the internet. The offer was around $300K +stock +bonuses which put first year compensation at least in the 7 figures. People forget that Pornhub, the first site to do this didn't open until 2007 and this was to build it in 2000, a full 7 years before. I specifically turned it down because it doesn't take tons of mindfulness to realize that any such venture would quickly be overrun with pimps forcing their pros to perform sex acts on camera, sex slaves being recorded for the purposes of advertising services or sale as well as other instances where the initial mission of allowing people to democratize their personal sexual agency would be subsumed by everything from fake amateur vids to actual sex slaves being recorded. I just couldn't be a part of that even tangentially.

3) These pre-trial diversions are part of how the system walks back from how it used to do business. it's meant to allow someone to not have their lives ruined for what is in most instances a victimless crime. However, since it is still illegal, the defendants have to admit that they would have been guilty (that's important for those who commit the crimes again, especially within the next 12 months) which saves jurisdictions as well as defendants lots of court costs, do community service and the partake in programs to help not commit these crimes in the future.

It's not the same as asking someone to plead where the defendant is underrepresented or not represented at all based on sketchy evidence. Often, with these programs, the proof is overwhelming. Rest assured, if there was ANY way for a billionaire to get out of this, he'd have his TEAMS of lawyers doing that right now. He's guilty and he knows it and no one really wants to take cases like these to trial if it can be helped.

TL;dr Yes, it's puritanical BS, but it's also part of how the legal system is reforming incrementally to go back from how it dealt with this in the past. The shaming isn't being done by the system, but by a particular paper or papers. And that's more of an indictment of the Media Infotainment Complex as opposed to the legal system writ large.

Thanks for coming to my TEDtalk.

There were real amateur porn sites on the web before 2000. I don't understand all your video rendering info. I know there is at least one that still exists today (it may have been only photo, no video, before 2000, though, I'll concede that). No popup ads or other BS to try to steer you to places to take your money. Also, I believe the real amateur site HomeGrown Videos? existed prior to 2000 as well. I believe it was a pay site. Ask Les, he's a lot more of an expert than I am.

 

[Mackeyser]

There were real amateur porn sites on the web before 2000. I don't understand all your video rendering info. I know there is at least one that still exists today (it may have been only photo, no video, before 2000, though, I'll concede that). No popup ads or other BS to try to steer you to places to take your money. Also, I believe the real amateur site HomeGrown Videos? existed prior to 2000 as well. I believe it was a pay site. Ask Les, he's a lot more of an expert than I am.

Not at the scale that was being attempted. This was meant to the the YouTube of porn, but the tech was really expensive and didn’t scale well. My render farm was an innovative step that even impressed Steve Jobs as related to me by Sal Saghoian, the AppleScript Furu at the time. It was one of the first times Porn took a wait and see approach to tech.

Basically one had to manually edit and then render each video or use super expensive mini computers or mainframe type Unix machines with custom code to do it. Thanks to innovations in cloud computing, their server farms can pretty much render on the fly, but at the time, there was a tech gap between personal video and mass rendering like YouTube did.

YouTube used to only allow shorter vids and they took HOURS or more to render each video and it took significantly longer if one used multi bitrate QuickTime. Or one could do it oneself, and that brought with it a whole host of issues.

 

[LesBaker]

Embarrassing the crap out of people like this will obviously negatively impact the sex trafficking "business" by making Johns think twice about paying for sex in areas where it's illegal.

Even if it only hurts sex trafficking in a tiny amount... it's freaking worth it if you're asking me. They need to use all the tools they can to rid the planet of these traffickers.

I don't know about that. IMO people who do business that is in the underbelly so to speak just change how they do it when something is putting downward pressure on cash flow.

The "black market" will never go away. it'll just keep shapeshifting to meet it's customers demands.

I've always been of the opinion that specific crimes should carry the death penalty and that the sentence should be executed rapidly. This is one of them. If the risk of doing this as a business is that it would cost you your life then fewer people would do it. That would make a dent in things.

Embarrassing someone who has (for the most part) no other way to get sex won't stop these cretins from trafficking.

I seen that publication in racks in gas stations what I'm talking about is the actual daily paper not some little rag the actual newspaper.

The magazine you're talking about shows everything from drunk driving to robbery assault and so on the the paper I'm talking about only listed people arrested for soliciting a prostitute.

I'm no fan of craft or the Patriots obviously but asking him to come out and admit guilt without a trial simply to shame him is completely freaked up and runs counter to anything that I understand as a decent justice system this is design strictly to further embarrassed these guys

Holy shit did voice to text butcher that up really badly.

 

[rams1fan]

I would not assume this is a victimless crime. Women in Asian massage parlors have often been forced as an indentured servant to engage in sex.

 

[snackdaddy]

Embarrassing someone who has (for the most part) no other way to get sex.

Sounds like you're talking about married men.

 

[Mackeyser]

Sounds like you're talking about married men.

Not to be indelicate... and the better part of valor is discretion... with that, lemme just add that some married men get all they can handle and then some... even still after 30 years.

Just sayin...