Refs Instructed to Call More Holding Calls?

[bubbaramfan]

For all of you who keep saying the league office doesn't tell offcials how to call games, well, this proves they do.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

No, the argument was legal and mostly refers to the classification of the corporation.

I don’t know how players would react and I don’t plan to speculate. As long as the players get paid and there remains a focus on player safety, what difference does it make to the union?

Also, I don’t get the “two leaps” thing.

I articulated why I think no one has come forward and why it is nearly impossible that it ever happens.

To the players, it looks like crappy calls. Same to the fans. Maybe the owners as a condition of ownership understand this shift. I dunno that in the aggregate that it matters.

In baseball, you see small market teams pop up even with a luxury tax on salaries. That’s because the game is legally and technically a sport and MUST be a fair and legit contest. MLB would never and couldn’t argue that it was an entertainment company.

Not gonna convince anyone, but it is what it is.

I’ll add that NFL referees have a gag order, so are not contractually permitted to speak to the media.

In the Giants and Patriots Super Bowl, which came after Mara and Kraft negotiated the TV contracts and ended the lockout, among other things, Arthur Blank said, “It was predertimined that these two teams be here. I wish one day that my team would be selected to be in the Super Bowl, but these two men deserve it.”

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Here is a post that a Writer put on a Broncos forum that outlines much of his research into the NFL fixing games for television ratings and to keep Vegas from losing billions.

https://forums.denverbroncos.com/sh...he-NFL-an-Entertainment-Business-like-the-WWE


It’s very long but very interesting.

 

[Pancake]

Why not just call the penalties all the time when they happen? Instead of trying to have this weird flexible rule book no other sport has.

 

[LARAMSinFeb.]

As far as AD goes--I really think he's simply too quick for the holds against him to even be seen clearly, until replay.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Why not just call the penalties all the time when they happen? Instead of trying to have this weird flexible rule book no other sport has.

Because of TV contracts. Most games need to be fit into a time slot complete with commercials. If they run ovrer too much then fans of other teams get mad because their missing their team’s game.


It so bad that ESPN once sent someone to the field near the end of a Titans/Jaguars game to tell the coaches to use their time outs because they needed more commercial time. Fisher was up 23-3. He just wanted to ruń out the clock. Why would he call three timeouts with three minutes to go?

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

As far as AD goes--I really think he's simply too quick for the holds against him to even be seen clearly, until replay.

Some of them are very obvious. I’d be happy if they just called the obvious ones.

 

[EastRam]

Because of TV contracts. Most games need to be fit into a time slot complete with commercials. If they run ovrer too much then fans of other teams get mad because their missing their team’s game.


It so bad that ESPN once sent someone to the field near the end of a Titans/Jaguars game to tell the coaches to use their time outs because they needed more commercial time. Fisher was up 23-3. He just wanted to ruń out the clock. Why would he call three timeouts with three minutes to go?

I actually remember when that happened.

 

[Oregonram]

This is what is killing all sports..except maybe baseball. If you can call holding more by fiat, that means that holding is not defined well enough, and the sport has deliberately left enough subjective refereeing in place for manipulation. I don’t want to believe my team was manipulated into a win or a loss. I left the NBA back in 2002 over this crud. Now the NFL thinks it can outsmart the fans. WWF territory. Makes me sad.

 

[LesBaker]

I’ll add that NFL referees have a gag order, so are not contractually permitted to speak to the media.

In the Giants and Patriots Super Bowl, which came after Mara and Kraft negotiated the TV contracts and ended the lockout, among other things, Arthur Blank said, “It was predertimined that these two teams be here. I wish one day that my team would be selected to be in the Super Bowl, but these two men deserve it.”

..........Let's see that quote in an article or video.

Here is a post that a Writer put on a Broncos forum that outlines much of his research into the NFL fixing games for television ratings and to keep Vegas from losing billions.

https://forums.denverbroncos.com/sh...he-NFL-an-Entertainment-Business-like-the-WWE


It’s very long but very interesting.

And it's all speculation, and no facts just his opinion.

But if it's on an internet message board it's gotta be true.



LOL so now EVERY bookmaker in Nevada is in on it too?

What about Atlantic City and the other 400 plus casinos in the US? Are they getting the memo too?

And what about globally? Are they also in?

:rolllaugh:

It so bad that ESPN once sent someone to the field near the end of a Titans/Jaguars game to tell the coaches to use their time outs because they needed more commercial time. Fisher was up 23-3. He just wanted to ruń out the clock. Why would he call three timeouts with three minutes to go?

Show me proof and lets see the game log that shows it happened. I don't remember hearing that, but even if it did happen they were evidently trying to fit commercials in, not throw a game.

 

[LesBaker]

Oh I forgot to mention.

The NFL is going to be [pissed at the Dolphins for that Hook & Ladder TD play at the end of the game.

Or was that supposed to happen?

:yay:

 

[1maGoh]

Oh I forgot to mention.

The NFL is going to be [ticked at the Dolphins for that Hook & Ladder TD play at the end of the game.

Or was that supposed to happen?

:yay:

We'll obviously sometimes things happen that can't be controlled. But let's say a bad team is beating your chosen winner 14-3 at the half. Well, the refs know to call penalties on every play of the next few drives of the bad team so that the chosen winner can get back in it. Then when the game is out of hand, 25-14 with 2:33 to go in the fourth, you can call a random penalty or two on the winner so it looks even. Not that this happened recently or anything (Saints v Bucs today).

 

[LesBaker]

Well, the refs know to call penalties on every play of the next few dinners if the bad team so that the chosen winner can get back in it.

Huh?

Now dinner is under the refs control?

 

[1maGoh]

Huh?

Now dinner is under the refs control?

Why do you have me?

My auto correct clearly loves to allow you to mess with me. Also, my keyboard/auto correct/text correction functions in my keyboard have tons of problems on this site. But I try not to whine about that.

 

[LesBaker]

Why do you have me?

My auto correct clearly loves to allow you to mess with me. Also, my keyboard/auto correct/text correction functions in my keyboard have tons of problems on this site. But I try not to whine about that.

Well originally I was going to have a burger for dinner.

But the refs gave me steak.

 

[1maGoh]

Well originally I was going to have a burger for dinner.

But the refs gave me steak.

Well that was nice. You must be one of the chosen.

 

[LesBaker]

Well that was nice. You must be one of the chosen.

They are making up for giving me chicken last night.

 

[KNUCKLEHEAD]

Getting away from the conspiracies for a moment, and holding calls... I'd like to see them start calling more OPI, especially when the receiver is holding the DB at bay with a straight arm until the ball arrives, and it's too late to make a play.

Okay... carry on.

 

[Prime Time]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...lls-increased-for-a-week-then-went-back-down/

According to ESPN, there were 94 flags for offensive holding called in Week 13, the most in any week of any season since at least 2012. Clearly, the officials got the message: Call more holding.

Except that the very next week, Week 14, the holding calls dropped back down to 62, which is within the normal range.

So for one week, the NFL told its officials to crack down on holding, the officials complied, and then the very next week they just forgot all about it and went back to calling holding like usual. And people wonder why fans think NFL officiating is inconsistent.

 

[Ellard80]

I'll say it again... calling more holding calls is actually worse for the rams.

As much as we like to toss the pigskin it suits us better for our lineman to be able to hold.

Careful what you wish for or something like that