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While many are very nervous starting multiple rookies on the O-Line, other teams have done it successfully. It's more a matter of the individual players ability and the length of time it takes for chemistry to kick in. Even if it takes half the season for the new players to 'get it', I have no problem adding 2 or 3 young high quality guys who start and perform well for the next several years. Doesn't seem to fit Fisher's M.O., but the team is up against the wall with so many open starting positions, ... and lack of depth. jmo.
Thoughts on the draft last year ??I still don't see why people are being impatient. Those big names people want have not signed with anyone. Until they all sign with a team other than the Rams, we should wait and see what happens before getting worried.
Blood-Lines, Great, instant Cred with me! ( His uncle was the best LB we ever had, IMO!) If he's half as good as his uncle was at his position he'll be fine!HEY! This is Hacksaw's nephew. He gets instant respect until proven he might not warrant it. Everybody got that???????? Welcome to the team Reynolds!
So what are the Rams suppose to so? Forget FA and just draft an OL?Everyone wants Wiz, Blalock, and Barksdale, but its amazing how everyone forgets how badly we wanted Davin Joseph:
http://www.ramsondemand.com/threads/rams-signing-davin-joseph.26333/
Or how badly we wanted Jake Long:
http://www.ramsondemand.com/threads/jake-long-is-a-ram.16443/
If they were as adept at assessing, procuring and coaching Oline personnel as they are at Defensive Tackle, we'd be set!Thoughts on the draft last year ??
My thing is Rams can just load up on the position.Like they did last year with The DB's
the problem with this as it pertains to the offensive line. It is not solely about the "individual players ability", as it is about the sum of the parts.While many are very nervous starting multiple rookies on the O-Line, other teams have done it successfully. It's more a matter of the individual players ability and the length of time it takes for chemistry to kick in. Even if it takes half the season for the new players to 'get it', I have no problem adding 2 or 3 young high quality guys who start and perform well for the next several years. Doesn't seem to fit Fisher's M.O., but the team is up against the wall with so many open starting positions, ... and lack of depth. jmo.
My point is, the plan they put in place was sound. Bringing in Jake Long, AND Scott Wells were great moves. If they had stayed on the field, and if Saffold would have stayed healthy for an entire 16 game schedule, this OL unit would have been very good.
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We agree but the dinosaur Fisher is very,very set in his ways and its a very long history with him and no rookies on his O-Line. Us taking a 1st round OL last year I think was a first or at least until shown the only time Jeff has broken down and done it. Yet he even tried to get another 1st rounder but dallas jumped ahead of our deal with the Ravens and stole the stud OL that was almost offensive ROY last season. Without Snead fighting for us we'd be screwed. I'm sure Snead talked Fisher away from his man crush on Bradford and got us the deal for Foles and probably had to tie Fisher up in a chair as he pulled the trigger.We should have been building through the draft two years ago for the o-line, we just don't have the abundance of picks this year, I have no problem in starting rookies at all - my way of thinking is if you're good enough then you should play no matter your age or experience...
It has been a bit of seriously bad luck with regards to their free agents. My point is, the draft picks they have spent on OL with the glaring exception of GRob last year, have been 6th or 7th fliers. Plus they brought in UDFA's. If they had done their homework, there were bargains in the 4th and 5th round to develop. If Jones (I love that name) can actually contribute this year, I will back off on this train of thinking.Since Fisher took over - they signed a multiple All-Pro LT to his second contract. They signed a pro bowl center. They drafted an OT with the #2 pick in the draft. They re-signed the top OL that they inherited. They've also drafted a number of OL, and signed some other, lesser ones.
Their moves haven't worked out all that great, yes. But it's just not true that they haven't been paying attention to the OL.
I should have been more clear. The CURRENT Rams organization. My bad...I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. Dating back to 2009, the Rams have invested greatly in the OL with the following players via the draft or FA:
Jason Brown
Jason Smith
Rodger Saffold
Harvey Dahl
Scott Wells
Jake Long
Greg Robinson
It's unfortunate that 2(Saffold,Dahl)-potentially 3 with GRob-provided above average play for multiple seasons after all those draft picks/$ were invested.
We agree but the dinosaur Fisher is very,very set in his ways and its a very long history with him and no rookies on his O-Line. Us taking a 1st round OL last year I think was a first or at least until shown the only time Jeff has broken down and done it. Yet he even tried to get another 1st rounder but dallas jumped ahead of our deal with the Ravens and stole the stud OL that was almost offensive ROY last season. Without Snead fighting for us we'd be screwed. I'm sure Snead talked Fisher away from his man crush on Bradford and got us the deal for Foles and probably had to tie Fisher up in a chair as he pulled the trigger.
I'm almost sure former Rams Jacob Bell (5th Rounder) started as a rookie for Jeff Fisher in Tennessee. And I'm sure that David Stewart (4th Rounder) started as a rookie for him.
Edit. Yeah I was right.
BTW, he's also had a few second year starters in Michael Roos (2nd Rounder), Benji Olson (5th Rounder), Justin Hartwig (6th Rounder), Kevin Long (7th Rounder), Jon Runyan (4th Rounder).
Sorry but in 20 plus years as a Head Coach Jeff Fisher has had only two players to start a game for him as a rookie. You forced me to do some homework and David Stewart did'nt start or play in a game his rookie year as you posted above. I was only commenting on starting rookies as I'm sure tons of second year players have played for Fisher I never even mentioned that. Glad to have your Tennessee Imput Memphis Ram.
I was pretty sure about Fisher and his very long track record with offensive lineman . He has such a defensive career in football from his playing days in college to his NFL defensive career and its very interesting to see him climb the assistant coaching ladder with tons of RAMS ties over his career and coaching for the John Robinson Rams who ran the ball so well in the early 80's you'd think he'd place more value on those blockers that made it all happen.
With only 2 lineman in over 20+ years as a head coach to see the field as a rookie. Greg Robinson the #2 player in the whole draft expected to be ELITE in such a very high pick had to wait to get on the field behind a veteran player we all saw in Joseph last year. Yes Joseph was an ORG and G.Rob was started as an OLG then moved to OLT when J. Long got hurt. Some said Greg was slow in learning his positions and learning two positions set him back. So we finally got to see our Elite #2 player picked get to start only after an injury while Joseph was already stinking on ice.
We see a major deadlock in free agency with lots of tems interested but usually someone will just overpay for the average player. Its not happening this year with Wisneiwski and our J. Barksdale. Even the Seahawks who normally are able to sign who they want so a player has a good shot at a ring could'nt get a contract signed with Wis. They know he is just an average or C rated player. I personally think Wis has priced himself out of reach with more numbers coming out that he wants at least 5 Mill a season as he was replaced by a guy who got an outrageous contract over 7+ Mill a year paid by the Raiders with a history of crazy contracts but last year backed out of overpaying for Saffold and he signed with us.
Who will be our starting Center this year ? Lots of speculation as we have 3 huge holes to fill on our offensive line . How many rookies will Fisher start this year? Fisher broke his long standing record and last year was his first 1st round offensive lineman drafted. Snead also had a deal to trade back into round #1 for Zack Martin who Snead has as his #8 talent in the whole draft behind Aaron Donald we picked up with our second 1st round pick. Dallas jumped up and grabbed Martin and solidified their OL and they finally made the playoffs. Martin was awesome as a rookie. Yes better than G. Rob but many have said G. Rob has a higher ceiling playing at OLT. We will all see.
Teams are signing backup swing players as we just did with Reynolds and are talking to bring back Barnes.I think maybe to compete for starting Center. The titans who brought in Barksdale just signed another swing OT instead of Joe B. How long these few FA OL will sit unsigned is a mystery. I just know we can get an elite guard to start and Collins from LSU could start as our ORT and be just as good as Barksdale with I'm sure struggles as Joe B. had last year with the speed rushers.
My point is will Fisher play the lesser vets over our newly drafted OL that could do just as well and need the reps to grow? Because I'm a Rams diehard fan does'nt mean I have to love everything Fisher does as our HC. Thank goodness for Snead and his value board which saw Martin Donald so high on his board last year. I hope his board is the same this year with it being a down year for Tackles and Centers and a big year for Offensive guards as another year of depth at WR too. Hope the FA drought breaks soon. Wis is an average C rated center that wants 5 Mill a year and I say PAY HIM . Thats just me and my opinion. He's young and uninjured and maybe needs a boot in his arse. Tired of the old injured overpaid guys with long contracts. We picked up Barksdale from raiders and at least made him serviceable and he played 16 games and was'nt a St. Clair type of liability as that will strike fear in some Rams fans who remember those days.
Back to my knitting. Hope things break soon for us. Hope seachickens don't get Wis.