Rams sign Coleman Shelton

[Corbin]

Sarcasm duly noted.

And here I thought that this board encouraged poster opinions. Sigh…

Hey how about you post your damn threads again!!!!

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I don’t see Shelton as quite as good as some characterize him. He comes in at a 58 overall on PFF if you are into that type of thing. That is not good for the record.

I see Shelton as good depth though and we really need that.

Edwards, as much as people here hate him, grades out better then Shelton.

I am not expecting anything more than a mediocre 2023 for the Rams unless we upgrade the talent on the Oline.

Edwards was playing well in the past, but he played next to Whitworth. Having a great player on the line can elevate the players next to him. This year he fell off a cliff. The concussions were a big part of that but even when healthy he didn't look good. Remember McVay said there was poor communication between Carberry and the line. Plus Jourdan commented that the Rams underestimated the value of Whitworth's leadership and coaching of the entire group.

I agree that ideally Shelton is a very good depth option. He's a subpar starter, who is one dimensional.

I don't get the Edward's hate. As much as they hate on him for last year, you never heard anything bad about him the years before. In fact he was the only olinemen in our 2019 draft that didnt fall flat when put out on the field. Then again people wanted Hav gone bc of his 2019 play as well. That obviously would have been a mistake.

Edwards was bad this year. Now that he's had a few concussions he becomes unreliable.

It’s interesting how many OL experts here are able to tell us how a group that never played as a unit for any extended period due to injuries could not possibly, after having an opportunity to work together, be successful.

While I am hoping the Rams sign or draft better OL, I confess that, as a lawyer who only played college intramural football, there may be people in the organization who have a better handle on this than I do.

Ah, the old if you aren't an expert then you can't have an opinion argument. We might as well delete RoD then because I don't think any Rams coaches post here.

Seriously though, going into a year with two players whose career was mostly spent on IR is a big mistake. It bit them in the ass last year. Do they repeat the same mistake again? I'm no expert but I didn't like the makeup of the line before the season. I said it on hear. The Oline was even a weakness the season before.

You don’t need to be an expert to see they have each suffered injuries.

You do need to be an expert to assess whether they have some physiological vulnerability to future injuries.

That type of expert is called a doctor.

Again…I’m going to continue advocating for more OL talent. I do so, however, as a fan who also questioned whether the Rams could win in 2021 with David Edwards and Brian Allen as starting OL.

Despite is the key word. The Rams won despite not having a very good Oline. its possible to win a Super Bowl without having All-Pros on every unit. The Rams were weak at MLB in 21' too. They had one legitimate receiving threat in the Super Bowl and still won it.

Whitworth was huge for the Rams. Last season proves why Left Tackle is one of the most valued positions in football and why the good ones go early in the draft. Nobody was banging down Noteboom's door to hand him top OLT money. Ditto for Allen at Center. Edwards had the concussions but you could see that when he was healthy he didn't play as well without Whitworth. As much as I'd like the Rams to prioritize the Oline, its not McVay's priority. Plus they have other areas of need each year. Largely though, ignoring the red flags on the Oline got them to the 2022 disaster.

 

[Ram65]

Not a thrilling signing. Depth and versatile but, below the average lighter offensive line.

Where is the beef?

 

[WestCoastRam]

@ottoman89 and @Rams43 - it's certainly not the Oline I'd want them to have but it's what I thinks likely to happen. Say 70% chance.

 

[Riverumbbq]

Not a thrilling signing. Depth and versatile but, below the average lighter offensive line.

Where is the beef?

Rams OL :

 

[WestCoastRam]

It’s interesting how many OL experts here are able to tell us how a group that never played as a unit for any extended period due to injuries could not possibly, after having an opportunity to work together, be successful.

While I am hoping the Rams sign or draft better OL, I confess that, as a lawyer who only played college intramural football, there may be people in the organization who have a better handle on this than I do.

A simple caveman lawyer?

 

[AvengerRam]

Sarcasm duly noted.

And here I thought that this board encouraged poster opinions. Sigh…

It does…and it also encourages (or, at least, permits) people to disagree with, or question the authority behind, others’ opinions.

 

[Ram Ts]

I sure hope we get lucky in this draft with our OL selections - or should I say UDFAs

 

[WestCoastRam]

I sure hope we get lucky in this draft with our OL selections - or should I say UDFAs

Hahaha... so true. I suspect the swings the Rams take will be day 3 of the draft and later.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

It does…and it also encourages (or, at least, permits) people to disagree with, or question the authority behind, others’ opinions.

Authority? If you want authority and experts on the Rams, you won’t get them here and the Rams coaches won’t be interested in talking to you about their plans either.

If you discount one person’s opinion for not being an expert, then unless you are an expert yourself didn’t you just discounted your own opinion? It seems hypocritical to me. All you have to do is just disagree.

 

[ottoman89]

@ottoman89 and @Rams43 - it's certainly not the Oline I'd want them to have but it's what I thinks likely to happen. Say 70% chance.

I no doubt agree. Very lackluster. Even before they started going down it was worrisome.

I do question whether the talent is that lackluster or Carberry wasn't a good OL coach.

 

[AvengerRam]

Authority? If you want authority and experts on the Rams, you won’t get them here and the Rams coaches won’t be interested in talking to you about their plans either.

If you discount one person’s opinion for not being an expert, then unless you are an expert yourself didn’t you just discounted your own opinion? It seems hypocritical to me. All you have to do is just disagree.

I have repeatedly acknowledged my own limitations as a mere fan, so there is zero hypocrisy here.

The real issue is that some here have a hard time dealing with other people challenging their (often hyperbolic) opinions, and immediately go to “why do I bother posting” reactions.

 

[WestCoastRam]

I no doubt agree. Very lackluster. Even before they started going down it was worrisome.

I do question whether the talent is that lackluster or Carberry wasn't a good OL coach.

As irritating as the quote has become, it's very true - I think as Jourdan puts it, "both things can be true." Shoot me!

Or, lets say the problem had multiple reasons for existing. The talent is lackluster and Carberry wasn't good AND they all got injured!

There's no plus in any column there. I suspect that the Rams think that if they have better coaching and health they can weather the lackluster talent.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I have repeatedly acknowledged my own limitations as a mere fan, so there is zero hypocrisy here.

The real issue is that some have a hard time dealing with other people challenging their (often hyperbolic) opinions.

It’s not a problem. All you have to do is disagree. Expressing opinions are what a fan forum is all about.

Discounting opinions here, on the basis of qualifications is absurd. Did you expect experts to be here? I didn’t. And what exactly is an expert? Is this science or math we are talking about?

What you do get are knowledgeable fans. Many of us have not just been watching but also studying the game for 40+ years. Some of the opinions are actually educated opinions.

 

[I like Rams]

Edwards was playing well in the past, but he played next to Whitworth. Having a great player on the line can elevate the players next to him. This year he fell off a cliff. The concussions were a big part of that but even when healthy he didn't look good. Remember McVay said there was poor communication between Carberry and the line. Plus Jourdan commented that the Rams underestimated the value of Whitworth's leadership and coaching of the entire group.

I agree that ideally Shelton is a very good depth option. He's a subpar starter, who is one dimensional.

Edwards was bad this year. Now that he's had a few concussions he becomes unreliable.

Ah, the old if you aren't an expert then you can't have an opinion argument. We might as well delete RoD then because I don't think any Rams coaches post here.

Seriously though, going into a year with two players whose career was mostly spent on IR is a big mistake. It bit them in the ass last year. Do they repeat the same mistake again? I'm no expert but I didn't like the makeup of the line before the season. I said it on hear. The Oline was even a weakness the season before.

Despite is the key word. The Rams won despite not having a very good Oline. its possible to win a Super Bowl without having All-Pros on every unit. The Rams were weak at MLB in 21' too. They had one legitimate receiving threat in the Super Bowl and still won it.

Whitworth was huge for the Rams. Last season proves why Left Tackle is one of the most valued positions in football and why the good ones go early in the draft. Nobody was banging down Noteboom's door to hand him top OLT money. Ditto for Allen at Center. Edwards had the concussions but you could see that when he was healthy he didn't play as well without Whitworth. As much as I'd like the Rams to prioritize the Oline, its not McVay's priority. Plus they have other areas of need each year. Largely though, ignoring the red flags on the Oline got them to the 2022 disaster.

I agree having a good/great player next to you will elevate your play, but if we're going to agree to that, you also would have to agree that having an inferior player next to you would hinder your play. Which you could argue for Edward's that that might have been his problem. Or maybe that he was just having a down year. He played just fine in 2020, from what I recall, without Whit bc of injury. Being that this is the only season where the oline has had insane amount of injuries, I personally cannot grade where anyone stands based on this season alone, but collectively I would say Edward's deserves another shot. Especially when we can't really afford to lose anyone else.

As for concussions, I hope he hasn't taken a hit mentally due to those concussions. Staff is another player who has taken multiple concussions last season, but were not able to grade him after the concussions bc he was pulled for the season. But if we are worried that one player might not have what it takes due to multiple concussions, what does that say about Staff?

 

[AvengerRam]

It’s not a problem. All you have to do is disagree. Expressing opinions are what a fan forum is all about.

Discounting opinions here, on the basis of qualifications is absurd. Did you expect experts to be here? I didn’t. And what exactly is an expert? Is this science or math we are talking about?

What you do get are knowledgeable fans. Many of us have not just been watching but also studying the game for 40+ years. Some of the opinions are actually educated opinions.

When someone says, “in my opinion…” and I disagree, I typically just say “I disagree…”

When someone states, as if they are expressing gospel truth, that the team doesn’t know what it is doing, then I’m likely to question their authority.

If you disagree with my approach, that’s fine.

 

[Riverumbbq]

As irritating as the quote has become, it's very true - I think as Jourdan puts it, "both things can be true." Shoot me!

Or, lets say the problem had multiple reasons for existing. The talent is lackluster and Carberry wasn't good AND they all got injured!

There's no plus in any column there. I suspect that the Rams think that if they have better coaching and health they can weather the lackluster talent.

The Rams OL may be beyond coaching, unless perhaps they are also practitioners of magic.

 

[OnceARam]

Coleman Shelton was good in relief of Allen last year, until he too went down with an injury. Shelton also looked much more athletic as he was actually able to pull, something that Allen doesn't seem to be able to do.

Anyway, a backup, swing interior lineman is the least of our worries.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I agree having a good/great player next to you will elevate your play, but if we're going to agree to that, you also would have to agree that having an inferior player next to you would hinder your play. Which you could argue for Edward's that that might have been his problem. Or maybe that he was just having a down year. He played just fine in 2020, from what I recall, without Whit bc of injury. Being that this is the only season where the oline has had insane amount of injuries, I personally cannot grade where anyone stands based on this season alone, but collectively I would say Edward's deserves another shot. Especially when we can't really afford to lose anyone else.

As for concussions, I hope he hasn't taken a hit mentally due to those concussions. Staff is another player who has taken multiple concussions last season, but were not able to grade him after the concussions bc he was pulled for the season. But if we are worried that one player might not have what it takes due to multiple concussions, what does that say about Staff?

Oh I agree. A good example was Richie Incognito. The Rams line was shit those years. I’d see him trying to block his assignment and the assignment of the player next to him. Overall, he didn’t look too good. Then he goes to Buffalo with a better group and ends up a four time Pro Bowler.

iirc then Edwards has been reported to have had multiple concussions the last few years. If he is healthy and can have a better and healthier center and Left Tackle beside him I’d expect him to be reliable. It may be tough to fill those voids though. Jackson could play on the OLT spot but drafting a rookie center doesn’t always equal instant production a la Humphrey.

 

[I like Rams]

Oh I agree. A good example was Richie Incognito. The Rams line was shit those years. I’d see him trying to block his assignment and the assignment of the player next to him. Overall, he didn’t look too good. Then he goes to Buffalo with a better group and ends up a four time Pro Bowler.

iirc then Edwards has been reported to have had multiple concussions the last few years. If he is healthy and can have a better and healthier center and Left Tackle beside him I’d expect him to be reliable. It may be tough to fill those voids though. Jackson could play on the OLT spot but drafting a rookie center doesn’t always equal instant production a la Humphrey.

I know he had 2 this season, but couldn't find any related to the past, but then again I didn't go back past the first page of my search.