Rams draft signals confidence in O-Line

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Rams draft signals confidence in O-Line

Survey a group of Rams fans about which position group was most culpable for the 2019 team missing the postseason and the results would be nearly unanimous.

Offensive line.

After enjoying an improbable run of health and continuity in recent seasons, last year saw a regression to the mean, and with it, some mean regression.

As documented in a previous discussion, nine Rams started along the offensive front in the first 11 weeks, including six who were making their first or second NFL start.

Joe Noteboom and Brian Allen struggled to replace Rodger Saffold and John Sullivan before suffering season-ending injuries.

Right tackle Rob Havenstein was earning a career-low Pro Football Focus grade before a Week 10 injury in Pittsburgh also ended his campaign.

So understandably, even with total personnel retention, the line was considered an area of need going into the NFL Draft.

Instead, the Rams doubled-down on a group that stabilized in December, but in aggregate rated among the NFL's worst in 2019.

They didn't choose an offensive lineman until their final pick (guard Tremayne Anchrum at 250 overall) or acquire help through trade or free agency, signaling a readiness to run it back with their existing talent, banking on internal development.

"Last year was beneficial for us, in spite of having some of the injuries and shuffling things around," Sean McVay said. "You got a chance to really evaluate a lot of guys playing in real games that count and you can see that there's a lot of upside."

It will be at least a year – likely two or three – before we can truly evaluate the merits of this approach, and the results will depend on a number of factors. Most notably, can this group of Rams realize that upside McVay referenced, both individually and collectively?

But also, do players like Ezra Cleveland (58th pick, Minnesota) or Josh Jones (72nd pick, Arizona) turn into All-Pro tackles? Or similarly, do several of the interior linemen selected in a Day Two stretch where the Rams had four selections outperform L.A.'s existing options?

In the present, you can understand how general manager Les Snead, offensive line coach Aaron Kromer, and McVay might prefer what they have in house. And it's not as if they haven't spent comparable draft capital in recent years on this position group.

2018: Joe Noteboom (3rd round), Brian Allen (4th), Jamil Demby (6th)

2019: Bobby Evans (3rd), David Edwards (5th)

They also traded in a 2021 fifth-round pick to acquire Austin Corbett from the Browns last season.

"You look at Austin," McVay says of the 33rd overall selection from two years ago. "You say, alright, what does it look like if you give him an opportunity to have a training camp and some guidance under Coach Kromer's tutelage."

After solidifying the group late last season by sliding from right guard to center, Austin Blythe agreed to a one-year offer and McVay expects him to maintain control of that position going into 2020.

"I think he did a really nice job stepping in (at center)," the head coach said on the Rams Revealed podcast. "His ability to confidently get out the calls, there was a very similar feel to things that you loved so much about John Sullivan."

David Edwards bounced from left guard to right, where he's now the incumbent in 2020 after breaking in with 10 starts to finish his rookie season.

In all likelihood, that leaves Noteboom and Corbett to battle for left guard and Evans and Havenstein to settle the starting right tackle job.

Whoever comes up empty in those battles will join Allen in providing valuable depth, which is all the more meaningful under the new CBA rules allowing for 55-man rosters and 48 dressed on game day, with a requirement for one additional active offensive lineman compared to prior years.

Rounding out the projected starters, at left tackle, 38-year old Andrew Whitworth postponed retirement with a new three-year contract. He, too, saw the Friday night selections at running back, receiver, edge rusher, and safety as affirmation that the Rams already have the right offensive linemen in the facility.

"I really think it is a vote of confidence in that we see there's a bunch of guys in our room that have an opportunity to help us," Whitworth said during the Draft. "It's going to be really the best scenario you can possibly have in this business is you have a whole bunch of guys for very few positions. And hopefully these guys will fight and compete, and we'll get the best five on the field."

There's one more nuance specific to our current global predicament that I think is relevant to the choice the Rams made: Is this the time to be teaching a rookie lineman McVay's playbook, via Zoom and tablets? With a compromised off-season program (and potentially training camp), how legitimate were the hopes of landing a plug-and-play starter?

Drafting from outside the Top 50, that would have been a risky proposition with limited potential to find an upgrade over the options previously discussed, at least in the near-term.
 

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"I think he did a really nice job stepping in (at center)," the head coach said on the Rams Revealed podcast. "His ability to confidently get out the calls, there was a very similar feel to things that you loved so much about John Sullivan."
Talk about a "call out" of Allen's ability to "call it out." Sometimes McVay let's things slip, you just gotta read between the lines. :ROFLMAO:
 

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Talk about a "call out" of Allen's ability to "call it out." Sometimes McVay let's things slip, you just gotta read between the lines. :ROFLMAO:
Going into his 3rd TC the former anointed starter @ center Brian Allen was a big embarrassment on Kromer's rep. The 6-1/302 OC with his super short 32 3/8 '' arms & small hands sure appears to be in a real battle to make this final OL unit. I know BA had an HD amount of starts @ OG in college but is he just too small for the NFL for a OG post?

The highly versatile near 6-5/300 lbs Coleman Shelton might have a good leg up on the top reserve OC position now entering his 3rd TC & will be his first with Kromer. On top of that they drafted a short 6-2 315lbs RT who is a larger stronger bigger version of Brian Allen in Tremayne Anchrum to fight it out in the interior with Nate Trewyn & Jeremiah Kolone then just signed a primary UDFA center Cohl Cabral a 6-5 310lbs. It's going to be one :fire:hellish:fire:time in TC for Allen,

I am convinced that McVay/Kromer really like the person & the player Austin Blythe. I just feel they are sure to go with an experienced starting OL'er now a veteran of having started for Kromer for two full seasons & now entering his 5th training camp. IMO the 27 yr old Austin Blythe is the Rams starting center.
 

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Going into his 3rd TC the former anointed starter @ center Brian Allen was a big embarrassment on Kromer's rep. The 6-1/302 OC with his super short 32 3/8 '' arms & small hands sure appears to be in a real battle to make this final OL unit. I know BA had an HD amount of starts @ OG in college but is he just too small for the NFL for a OG post?

The highly versatile near 6-5/300 lbs Coleman Shelton might have a good leg up on the top reserve OC position now entering his 3rd TC & will be his first with Kromer. On top of that they drafted a short 6-2 315lbs RT who is a larger stronger bigger version of Brian Allen in Tremayne Anchrum to fight it out in the interior with Nate Trewyn & Jeremiah Kolone then just signed a primary UDFA center Cohl Cabral a 6-5 310lbs. It's going to be one :fire:hellish:fire:time in TC for Allen,

I am convinced that McVay/Kromer really like the person & the player Austin Blythe. I just feel they are sure to go with an experienced starting OL'er now a veteran of having started for Kromer for two full seasons & now entering his 5th training camp. IMO the 27 yr old Austin Blythe is the Rams starting center.
Think you got it right Boni. Looks like Blythe is almost certainly the guy this year and we'll see how it goes. (y)

But that said it wouldn't be the first time an OL struggled his rookie season, so I'll give that to both Allen & Boom. I just wanted an easy answer in FA or the draft to appease my concerns up front. Rams didn't go there, so I'm just gonna move on and root for these guys now.

Cabral is intriguing just because of his name lol. Anchrum's film is good and he faced good competition. And Allen should be ready to compete this year so if Blythe is the guy hopefully it'll be because he competed and fended off those suitors vice sitting on his ass and having it handed to him like we saw across the line in 2019.

That's the one area IMO that this year does look better: competition. It's the life blood of preparedness IMO. So hopefully that makes a big difference in how guys start out the gate.
 

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Many fans point to the end of the season as a maturation point for the OL. For me it's the entire season and how it didn't come together as a whole. Blythe is the likely starter at Center. I 100% agree with @Merlin with regards to drafting or a FA OL this offseason to calm our nerves
 

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Cabral is intriguing just because of his name lol. Anchrum's film is good and he faced good competition. And Allen should be ready to compete this year so if Blythe is the guy hopefully it'll be because he competed and fended off those suitors vice sitting on his ass and having it handed to him like we saw across the line in 2019.

That's the one area IMO that this year does look better: competition. It's the life blood of preparedness IMO. So hopefully that makes a big difference in how guys start out the gate.

That's how Whitworth put it......competition to see who can rise and help the OL. We had a lot of guys see time last year. Some more than others. But the point is they were baptized by fire and now they get to come in and use what they learned. Theoretically, it should make for the best possible OL we could have with these guys. We should have a deep OL, #1 - #9 or 10. The million dollar question is how much talent do we have?
 

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But that said it wouldn't be the first time an OL struggled his rookie season, so I'll give that to both Allen & Boom.

They were not rookies, people need to stop giving them a pass and using that as an excuse. They were 2nd year players being groomed for their moment for over an entire year while we went to the super bowl, then they came in and fell on their face. Or the other narrative thrown around here "oh noteboom was out of position." Its a shit excuse, good players flash something. As we saw last year with both Evans and Edwards, rookie olineman can come in and make an immediate impact. Edwards was playing out of position too. And they only had months of professional coaching, not a year and a half.

I agree that Blythe will be starting at C as indifferent as I am about that. And honestly I saw enough of Allen and Noteboom last year for a while. Let their ass sit on the bench and give other people a shot, they had their chance.
 

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I listened to McVay again with the link from the writeup.


View: https://soundcloud.com/user-135137660/ep-30-sean-mcvay-on-keeping-focused-heading-into-the-2020-season


We hardly ever get straight answers from him. He did on Blythe or very close to one when asked about his resigning and being the starter in 2020 at OC. At least he told JB he thinks so. Blythe is the second-highest-paid lineman so it is expected that he starts at OC. As I posted before I hope it was the injuries (Ankle and Shoulders) that slowed him down some last year and he steps up this year. Allen is going to have to fight it out with the others for backup duty. Tremayne Anchrum has a lot of potential but, it may take a little time moving to OC/OG.

It sounds like a lot of competition for the rest of the spots.
 

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I listened to McVay again with the link from the writeup.


View: https://soundcloud.com/user-135137660/ep-30-sean-mcvay-on-keeping-focused-heading-into-the-2020-season


We hardly ever get straight answers from him. He did on Blythe or very close to one when asked about his resigning and being the starter in 2020 at OC. At least he told JB he thinks so. Blythe is the second-highest-paid lineman so it is expected that he starts at OC. As I posted before I hope it was the injuries (Ankle and Shoulders) that slowed him down some last year and he steps up this year. Allen is going to have to fight it out with the others for backup duty. Tremayne Anchrum has a lot of potential but, it may take a little time moving to OC/OG.

It sounds like a lot of competition for the rest of the spots.

I think the OL is the blind spot in McVay's development thus far. And IMO it's not a big deal, he is a young HC and has been reportedly very involved with the defense and learning/influencing that side of things under Wade.

But back to the run game when he was in Washington he had Bill Callahan coordinating the run game and OL. With the Rams he's had Kromer doing the same thing. And btw you see a similar thing with Belichick, who relies greatly on Scarnecchia and whose lines were not the same without him. So OL in general does seem to be a thing that certain head coaches have trouble with.

He did get burned last season by that unit. If he gets burned again I think we'll see the type of reaction some of us expected this past offseason. Hopefully that won't happen but we'll have to wait and see if the gamble pays off.
 

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They were not rookies, people need to stop giving them a pass and using that as an excuse.
Yes I am aware. And I'm not giving them any sort of pass. In fact I've been beating the drum just like you on the OL all offseason.

I'm just fucking tired of doing that. And I'm in "hope" mode now that their decision works out for us.
 

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I think the OL is the blind spot in McVay's development thus far. And IMO it's not a big deal, he is a young HC and has been reportedly very involved with the defense and learning/influencing that side of things under Wade.

But back to the run game when he was in Washington he had Bill Callahan coordinating the run game and OL. With the Rams he's had Kromer doing the same thing. And btw you see a similar thing with Belichick, who relies greatly on Scarnecchia and whose lines were not the same without him. So OL in general does seem to be a thing that certain head coaches have trouble with.

He did get burned last season by that unit. If he gets burned again I think we'll see the type of reaction some of us expected this past offseason. Hopefully that won't happen but we'll have to wait and see if the gamble pays off.


I thought McVay was more hands-off on the defense and letting Wade do his thing. I never saw him on the sidelines talking with Wade during a game. After this past season, I think he had enough of the defensive lapses and brought in McConnell. I think this year he will be a little more involved with the defense.

What do you mean by the OL is the blind spot on McVay's development thus far?
 

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I thought McVay was more hands-off on the defense and letting Wade do his thing. I never saw him on the sidelines talking with Wade during a game. After this past season, I think he had enough of the defensive lapses and brought in McConnell. I think this year he will be a little more involved with the defense.

What do you mean by the OL is the blind spot on McVay's development thus far?
It's been alluded to that he was way more involved with the defense than anyone realized. Would have to look up who put that out, just recall reading it.

Re: the OL being his blind spot, I think McVay is schooling himself up on defense. And to date he's had elite OL coaches he can rely on who also help him coordinate his run game. So I am guessing that is his blind spot if you will, his weakest area.

Hopefully that won't bite him this year. I really don't want to be right re: the OL.
 

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Well, when the interior of our OL faces off against Michael "The Incredible Brock"ers, A'Shawn "The Beast" Robinson, and Aaron "The Kraken!" Donald, they may very well be going up against the best DL unit they are going to face all season. I really hope defensive coordinator, Brandon Staley, moves Aaron around a lot in practice so all the OL crew feels the fury of The Kraken! unleashed!!! Talk about get this OL in shape for primetime!, I don't know if they are going to see better than our DL trio. Of course, they will have to handle blitzing LBs, safeties, and CBs too, but getting used to our DL is a great first step!
 

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Yes I am aware. And I'm not giving them any sort of pass. In fact I've been beating the drum just like you on the OL all offseason.

I'm just fucking tired of doing that. And I'm in "hope" mode now that their decision works out for us.

Im with ya, and yea I think the line will absolutely be better than last year. It has to right? Just how much is to be determined..

A lot of people want to see Boom or Allen starting or as primary backups and I just think they didn't earn it with their play last year. Was not pleased with either of them at all, so I would rather have someone else get a shot if we suffer an injury to see what else we have. If Hav can get back to his normal self, and the interior is better than last year, plus more 2-TE sets we might be okay.

The pass blocking was bad last year, but I wonder how much of the run game woes fell on Gurley's shoulders. Moving on from him + standing pat with the o-line leads me to believe McVay wasn't too happy with him or Henderson last year. The lack of running game had a cascade effect on the passing game, as we were constantly in 2nd and 3rd and longs which put Goff and the young o-line in tough spots. I'm super excited about Akers tbh.
 

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Continuously is underrated, when grading the OL. I think the last 4-5 games the coaching staff felt they seen enough growth to focus our draft capital on skilled guys.
I was on record wanting to spend a high pick on a OLmen (oc). Just gotta trust the eyes in our coaching staff.
I think we honestly upgraded at RB w/ Akers over a magic 8 ball Gurley. I just pray Henderson isn't a hurt bag and can be a solid back up or he's gone next season. Then w/ Van Jefferson we are now stacked at WR from day 1. I don't believe Cooks was ever going to give us what we needed from him do to the head injuries sadly.
I really think Van can be an impacted rookie just like McLaurin did for the Skins' tho not sure if he can beat out Josh Reynolds.
Furthermore they like Reynolds blocking in the 12P.


Hopkins can be given a small role and thrive with to give us a new wrinkle maybe (I hope) some 13P, furthermore his dad better be teaching him the reach block on the daily!!!!!!

I been thinking it might be best if Bobby Evans wins the RT spot over Havenstein from a pass blocking, screens & getting out to the 2nd level than Hav can.

Whit Corbett Blythe Edwards Evans < I think would give us a balanced look


I just concerned about Havenstein ability to pass block longer than 2.5 seconds without any help.
 

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@MachS do you have the time to entertain & respond to some of my questions?
.......................A lot of people want to see Boom or Allen starting or as primary backups and I just think they didn't earn it with their play last year...............

I am one of the members here that would hope that OT Joseph Noteboom along with his 83 1/2 inch wingspan will be fully recovered to be our primary top reserve LT in case of injury & the main OL'er who can spell Whitworth in games & in weekly practices as needed.

Question, can you tell me why Noteboom did not earn his position/place as main back to the Whitworth @ LT during his 2018 rookie season ?

What did Noteboom do that made you have such a low opinion of his skills & talents that would deny him his position as a top LT back up?

.........Was not pleased with either of them at all, so I would rather have someone else get a shot if we suffer an injury to see what else we have. ....................

I was NOT contented with the outcomes in performances with both Noteboom/Allen very short 2019 seasons either.

Is your position of not being pleased with Noteboom/Allen body of work include its totality of the 2018/2019 seasons?

Or is it based on the small 1/3 season (5 complete gms) of Noteboom playing in a new position @ OG & Allen half a season (8 completed gms as starting OC) that made you so displeased?

Who is that someone or someone's that you would rather get the shot @ the back up LT positions in place of a fully recovered Noteboom?

I am truly interested in your thoughts on the above thank you for your time.
 
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@MachS do you have the time to entertain & respond to some of my questions?


I am one of the members here that would hope that OT Joseph Noteboom along with his 83 1/2 inch wingspan will be fully recovered to be our primary top reserve LT in case of injury & the main OL'er who can spell Whitworth in games & in weekly practices as needed.

Question, can you tell me why Noteboom did not earn his position/place as main back to the Whitworth @ LT during his 2018 rookie season ?

What did Noteboom do that made you have such a low opinion of his skills & talents that would deny him his position as a top LT back up?



I was NOT contented with the outcomes in performances with both Noteboom/Allen very short 2019 seasons either.

Is your position of not being pleased with Noteboom/Allen body of work include its totality of the 2018/2019 seasons?

Or is it based on the small 1/3 season (5 complete gms) of Noteboom playing in a new position @ OG & Allen half a season (8 completed gms as starting OC) that made you so displeased?

Who is that someone or someone's that you would rather get the shot @ the back up LT positions in place of a fully recovered Noteboom?


I am interested in your thoughts on the above thank you for your time.

Reading this...and we have ALWAYS gotten along, so hear me out...seems like you're trying to start shit. Lol maybe the guy just doesn't like them and it doesn't matter what they do. His right...but that's between y'all.

I pose the opposite to you. Other than great wingspan on Joe, what makes you believe either has "earned a spot"? And that's not me being a smart ass.

My personal take. I Love Allen's passion and try hard, he just didn't seem imposing to me when he had a chance. Noteboom, imo, has certainly flashed and deserves a spot to compete for Guard. But I'm not nearly as passionate about either one as you seem to be. I missed several games last year cause i don't have the ability to stream, and i dont have direct.
 

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I just concerned about Havenstein ability to pass block longer than 2.5 seconds without any help.

In fairness I felt they gave Evans more help, but they should have as Havenstein should be better and I'm okay with those two battling it out and may the best man win. If it's Evans, I still keep Havenstein for depth and trade him next year, however, if Havenstein comes back to be the great run blocker he's been in the past and solid again in pass pro even better.

Part of me wonders if it was smart bringing Whitworth back, I believe the ability to do that, made it easier for the front office. Maybe without Whitworth, they are more aggressive for Trent Williams, but who knows?

I still believe in Joseph Noteboom, hopefully his rehab is going well and maybe he eventually takes over for Whitworth and the rest of the group is able to avoid injury too. I'm hoping Corbett & Edwards can really become great power blockers in the run game at guard as I believe Blythe will be the starting Center for 2020 and barring injury the Rams will have to make a decision about Center in 2021.
 

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I think Evans is one of our "strongest 5," which means Corbet would have to move to C. Not sure how likely that is since Blythe is getting paid, but he'd be a great experienced next man up for the interior.