Rams 2023 coaching changes
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ya I think that would work..
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Jimmy Lake coached DBs under Raheem for one year in Tampa. Jimmy Lake learned the Tampa two style of defense from Monte Kiffin. Tampa two run by Raheem when he was with the Buc's finished two consecutive years in the 30s. That is where Raheem is striving to take the Rams. Tampa two is a 4-3 scheme and the Rams have 3-4 personnel.
The only thing good was that under Lake he didn't allow freebies in the short zone. Raheem is trying to remake the roster of this team into another failed scheme. He failed in Tampa now he's trying to do it now. He tried quarters and sucked at it. Now he intends to run a scheme that failed in Tampa in LA. That's the only reason for bringing in Jimmy Lake. The only saving grace is that Lake doesn't have his DBs standing like posts in their zone. They play it actively moving to cover receivers. The problem is that the Tampa two relies on a MLB/hybrid SS to play that middle zone. It relies on two DTs playing a one gap scheme. We saw Raheem doing it last season and it failed. He had Gaines and Copeland playing DTs. But now without Wagner in the middle zone Raheem will have to play Lake as that MLB/SS in that middle zone. It only works if you have an outstanding DL who can pressure with only 4 while stopping the run. Howard and Jones will have to cover that short zone while playing the run.
Now I can see why Ramsey wants out. Raheem doesn't realize he doesn't have the players on the back end to play that style. It hasn't worked because he played his DBs passively. So they bring in Lake to get them to play aggressively. That means Scott and Yeast will play the back end. Raheem better play Durant and Rochell if he wants to stand a chance. What I'm hoping is that Raheem will defer to Lake on who plays.
This why on a previous post I showed the 4 DL with who they have to play that Tampa Two front.
DE Donald or Ngakoue
DT Copeland
DT Gaines
DE Floyd
Howard and Jones in the short zone. Quentin Lake SS in the middle zone. Durant and Rochell boundary CB. Scott and Yeast deep cover shell.
Bobby Brown doesn't fit this scheme, Hardy might not either. Jones is not a Tampa Two MLB who can play coverage in the middle zone like a SS. Howard has the speed to play LB in this scheme but he's not particularly good in coverage. Jones lacks the speed to play this scheme.
Tampa two succeeds only if the front 4 can create pressure to force an errant throw. But a skilled veteran QB with a decent OL will cut it to pieces.
See where I'm going with this? Raheem will trash this unit like he trashed the defense in Tampa. So will it work with Jimmy Lake as DB coach under Morris? For two years in Tampa, it didn't. It works best when facing 21 personnel, but breaks down facing 11 personnel. That is why McVay favors 11 personnel because it forces zone coverages out of their comfort zone. That is why Raheem needs to play Quentin Lake as that middle zone defender because Howard doesn't have the coverage skills though he has enough speed. That then forces Howard or Jones into that middle zone spot.
IMO the 4-3 is too predictable against a skilled vet QB. To his credit, Jimmy Lake coaches his DBs to be more active in their zones. The boundary CBs won't be lined up 5-10 yds off the LOS as that allows the X and Z WRs the complete complement of their moves. These past two seasons have shown Raheems coaching weaknesses. His inability to properly use his players. If Lake can have a free hand with the DBs they could at least have a defense that ranks closer to 10 - 13.
The only thing good was that under Lake he didn't allow freebies in the short zone. Raheem is trying to remake the roster of this team into another failed scheme. He failed in Tampa now he's trying to do it now. He tried quarters and sucked at it. Now he intends to run a scheme that failed in Tampa in LA. That's the only reason for bringing in Jimmy Lake. The only saving grace is that Lake doesn't have his DBs standing like posts in their zone. They play it actively moving to cover receivers. The problem is that the Tampa two relies on a MLB/hybrid SS to play that middle zone. It relies on two DTs playing a one gap scheme. We saw Raheem doing it last season and it failed. He had Gaines and Copeland playing DTs. But now without Wagner in the middle zone Raheem will have to play Lake as that MLB/SS in that middle zone. It only works if you have an outstanding DL who can pressure with only 4 while stopping the run. Howard and Jones will have to cover that short zone while playing the run.
Now I can see why Ramsey wants out. Raheem doesn't realize he doesn't have the players on the back end to play that style. It hasn't worked because he played his DBs passively. So they bring in Lake to get them to play aggressively. That means Scott and Yeast will play the back end. Raheem better play Durant and Rochell if he wants to stand a chance. What I'm hoping is that Raheem will defer to Lake on who plays.
This why on a previous post I showed the 4 DL with who they have to play that Tampa Two front.
DE Donald or Ngakoue
DT Copeland
DT Gaines
DE Floyd
Howard and Jones in the short zone. Quentin Lake SS in the middle zone. Durant and Rochell boundary CB. Scott and Yeast deep cover shell.
Bobby Brown doesn't fit this scheme, Hardy might not either. Jones is not a Tampa Two MLB who can play coverage in the middle zone like a SS. Howard has the speed to play LB in this scheme but he's not particularly good in coverage. Jones lacks the speed to play this scheme.
Tampa two succeeds only if the front 4 can create pressure to force an errant throw. But a skilled veteran QB with a decent OL will cut it to pieces.
See where I'm going with this? Raheem will trash this unit like he trashed the defense in Tampa. So will it work with Jimmy Lake as DB coach under Morris? For two years in Tampa, it didn't. It works best when facing 21 personnel, but breaks down facing 11 personnel. That is why McVay favors 11 personnel because it forces zone coverages out of their comfort zone. That is why Raheem needs to play Quentin Lake as that middle zone defender because Howard doesn't have the coverage skills though he has enough speed. That then forces Howard or Jones into that middle zone spot.
IMO the 4-3 is too predictable against a skilled vet QB. To his credit, Jimmy Lake coaches his DBs to be more active in their zones. The boundary CBs won't be lined up 5-10 yds off the LOS as that allows the X and Z WRs the complete complement of their moves. These past two seasons have shown Raheems coaching weaknesses. His inability to properly use his players. If Lake can have a free hand with the DBs they could at least have a defense that ranks closer to 10 - 13.
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Report: Tashard Choice turned down Rams' RBs coaching job
Cameron DaSilva
March 2, 2023 10:43 am PT
After Ra’Shaad Samples left his role as the Rams’ running backs coach, Los Angeles planned to move Thomas Brown back into that role. However, he was hired as the Panthers’ offensive coordinator, leaving the Rams without a running backs coach at the moment.
According to Chip Brown of 247Sports (subscription required), the Rams wanted to hire Texas RBs coach Tashard Choice but he turned down the job to coach their running backs. Aaron Wilson also reported he drew serious interest from the Rams but has decided to return to the Longhorns.
Per the report from 247Sports, Choice will receive a raise from the Longhorns after turning down the Rams.
The Rams are still filling out their coaching staff after making several changes, and they’ve begun bringing in some new faces – including OC Mike LaFleur, TEs coach Nick Caley and OL coach Ryan Wendell.
They still need a running backs coach, however, and that should be a role they look to fill soon.
theramswire.usatoday.com
Cameron DaSilva
March 2, 2023 10:43 am PT
After Ra’Shaad Samples left his role as the Rams’ running backs coach, Los Angeles planned to move Thomas Brown back into that role. However, he was hired as the Panthers’ offensive coordinator, leaving the Rams without a running backs coach at the moment.
According to Chip Brown of 247Sports (subscription required), the Rams wanted to hire Texas RBs coach Tashard Choice but he turned down the job to coach their running backs. Aaron Wilson also reported he drew serious interest from the Rams but has decided to return to the Longhorns.
Per the report from 247Sports, Choice will receive a raise from the Longhorns after turning down the Rams.
The Rams are still filling out their coaching staff after making several changes, and they’ve begun bringing in some new faces – including OC Mike LaFleur, TEs coach Nick Caley and OL coach Ryan Wendell.
They still need a running backs coach, however, and that should be a role they look to fill soon.
Report: Tashard Choice turned down Rams' RBs coaching job
Texas RBs coach Tashard Choice drew interest from the Rams but he turned them down this offseason
theramswire.usatoday.com
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This does not bode well for McVay IMHO.Report: Tashard Choice turned down Rams' RBs coaching job
Cameron DaSilva
March 2, 2023 10:43 am PT
Report: Tashard Choice turned down Rams' RBs coaching job
Texas RBs coach Tashard Choice drew interest from the Rams but he turned them down this offseason
He was the toast of tinsel town and could have any coach he wanted, but now with him vacillating continuously some are not jumping at the chance. I'm sure the Samples project also is playing a part as they lost faith in him quickly and I understand the Texas RB Coach not taking the gig because he's always been there and they increased his salary, but a UCLA RB Coach under Chip Kelly turned down the job? IMO, this is not a good sign.
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Why? Tashard Choice played 3 games for Washington in 2011 before being released, so their paths crossed once. Perhaps there's something he doesn't like about McVay?
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There was also a report that they offered the job to UCLA RB Coach DeShaun Foster so I found that somewhat interesting as to now in this scenario, McVay has been turned down twice that we know of.
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He might have turned it down because he gets to work with better talent and pay them more at Texas
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Or maybe he prefers Texas to California/LA and the taxes.He might have turned it down because he gets to work with better talent and pay them more at Texas
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He got a raise right after turning down the Rams.......lol I doubt it has anything to do with McVay.
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Always a possibility. My point was him staying at Texas and not coming to the Rams isn't a negative on McVay.
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I presume that for both to turn down the job it means the Rams want to stand pat in the backfield. So as OS said they probably have a better backfield to work with in college.
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What do both coaches have in common? They were both NFL players. There is a big difference between the 2.NCAA is laid back in way. Recruiting is big & teaching a lot more basic.
Advance meant for a black coach is hard to move up the ladder & The NFL(not for long).
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I knew what would come up if I Googled the name.Sure enough,talk about OJ’s life coach.
The Rams running backs will be real good at slashing & cutting while getting away free.
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A solid hire!! Think in the long run a better choice. A California guy.
www.sandiegouniontribune.com
Longtime Pac-12 assistant Ron Gould expected to join Aztecs as running backs coach
San Diego State targets coach with more than three decades of experience, most of it as running backs coach in the Pac-12 with Cal and Stanford
www.sandiegouniontribune.com
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No news about Ron Gould and LA Rams out there. Even the article posted here says he was hired as SD State's new RB coach
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Well never mind about my previous post, now it's being reported.....damn u internet lol....sounds like an awesome hire. Kudos to RocknRam29 for getting that info out there so soon.