Rams 20 Browns 13: Discussion

[oldnotdead]

22 Peters did you hear the comment that there was a 20 mph cross wind gusting in the stadium? They even showed the affect it had on the balls in their replays.

It takes more than a couple of years to develop an elite QB. Goff has shown improvement (I'm not talking stats BTW) in his game each year. Bottom line is that Goff has the talent to be an elite QB for a long time. Too many of these dual threat QB's end up like Cam, i.e. a shortened career.

I've watched a whole lot of QB's and Goff is among the best I've seen. More importantly he's a perfect fit for this offensive system.

 

[DR RAM]

I love both as most know who read my post, but I didn't like the play calling in the first half.

I constantly harp on not taking the clock down to 1-2 seconds.

I don't like mcvay calling time outs from sideline when Goff always seems to understand exactly where the clock is.

Got away from the run which is scary he said last year he wouldn't let that happen again.

This teams secondary all 4 starters were out we should have anillated this team and we didn't which does not bode well against better teams.

Can't figure what is wrong no deep passes, the OL feels like not giving as much time to protect, no Gurley on wheel routes or pass plays, several key drops, throwing into stupidly tight coverage. We must get tge run game going period. Why is obo not activated we need to see what he's got ekuban is not doing it.

Yes we won, and overall the defense looks better, but this is Cleveland we should have easily dropped 40 on them with that secondary.

Some of this is McVay's fault and some is on Goff. To me he seems a little off not sure if it is the OL or not.

So, the defense they were showing, and mostly playing was the same that New England showed us in the Super Bowl, surprise, surprise...

Beyond that, they disguised looks that confused us, showed man, but dropped into zone, not unusual in the NFL, but their calls were well timed.

The secondary dropped way off, in general, keeping everything in front of them, which is why we didn’t run hardly any vertical routes. Most of our routes were comebacks, and outs. They did fool us a few times though, which led to bad plays for us.

We have to do a better job of countering these moves. We can not just keep running the same shit. The other team will jump on it at some point. That is the point...fool your opponent.

So, why no double moves? The double reverse, absolutely killed them. Only one play though. We got out-coached.

 

[WestCoastRam]

I feel like we used to throw more RB screens in 2017 (not just to Gurley but Brown too), less, much much less in 2018 which shocked me because of how effective they were and none now. I'd agree with the idea that it might be wear and tear on Gurley but we really stopped using them last year too.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Oh please

McVay didn’t like the look so he calls timeout right before the snap... he’s done that many times before. But this time it’s “wrong” because he shoulda had a time machine and known the play would have been successful? Oh and BTW, the Rams ended up getting that first down anyway.

“3rd and 2 and they shoulda run?” Isn’t that the same fan-speak as “3rd and 2 and they shoulda passed?” Just depends on whether the play was successful or not, right— just complain that the coach “coulda woulda shoulda” done the opposite?

Since McVay has come to the Rams they are the #1 scoring offense in the entire NFL. Does anyone need reminding that the Rams went from dead LAST (under Fisher) to FIRST under McVay?

McVay is quite literally the savior of this freaking franchise, and fans who whine and complain about him really need to get a clue. The title of this thread — “Rams win in spite of McVay” — is absolutely fucking ridiculous.

Nobody is infallible. McVay admits it himself. It is what it is. Everyone knew that teams would use the ‘ 6-1’ defense against the Rams this year and it seems that McVay hasn’t come up with an answer for it outside of some blocking assignments. I thought he would have figured it out by now.

It doesn’t help that Gurley isn’t his old self, and that Goff is struggling with play calls. But shouldn’t this have been ironed out by now?

I’m starting to doubt Goff’s ability to read defenses. Teams make last second defensive adjustments and he doesn’t have McVay to tell him what to play to call. Is that on Goff, McVay, or both. I think both.

 

[Mister Sin]

I’ve had a problem with our offense since week one. McVay needs to figure out how to adapt. And quickly.

Gurley looks lackadaisical to me. When I watch him, pre snap and post...he looks like he is only there because he wants to be. I don’t know if he’s always looked like this and I just never paid attention...but damn.

We seem to be running the same plays from last year, we need to step it up and change things up. If KC and do what they aren’t doing, when we have better WR and RB...how are we so unimpressive.

I’m nervous folks.

 

[Juice]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk6W6634fuI

 

[MolaRam]

I’ve had a problem with our offense since week one. McVay needs to figure out how to adapt. And quickly.

Gurley looks lackadaisical to me. When I watch him, pre snap and post...he looks like he is only there because he wants to be. I don’t know if he’s always looked like this and I just never paid attention...but damn.

We seem to be running the same plays from last year, we need to step it up and change things up. If KC and do what they aren’t doing, when we have better WR and RB...how are we so unimpressive.

I’m nervous folks.

I think that McVay is playing the long game this year. Last year, we got 'blueprinted', and didn't have answers for changing it up and it cost us the SB.

I don't think the playbook is all the way open yet. McVay is showing juuust enough for the offense to 'get by', and what we see now won't be what we see later on in the season and in the playoffs.

Relax....(not just you Juggs).

We will be just fine.

 

[Dxmissile]

It did seem like McVay was irritated with Goff and I suspect it was that he didn't go where he was supposed to go with the ball on some calls.

Yeah his 2nd interception Goff had Gurley wide open for a possible touch down but he forced a pass and it got picked. I bet McVay was telling him to go to Gurley on that play

 

[sjm1582002]

I think McVay lacks confidence in the Ram's short yardage, "obvious", run blocking ability. So he again called what I felt were some questionable 3rd down throwing plays.

Still, he did not fumble the ball away or throw two interceptions.

 

[Faceplant]

I think that McVay is playing the long game this year. Last year, we got 'blueprinted', and didn't have answers for changing it up and it cost us the SB.

I don't think the playbook is all the way open yet. McVay is showing juuust enough for the offense to 'get by', and what we see now won't be what we see later on in the season and in the playoffs.

Relax....(not just you Juggs).

We will be just fine.

That's my hope as well.....cuz this team has won ugly so far. If they can iron out the offense, this team can be scary.

 

[ozarkram]

Gurley looks lackadaisical to me.

Yesterday was the first full game I have seen this year. Because of all of the hubbub about Gurley I watched him closely. I believe he is fine physically. Seems to me his feelings are hurt. Pouting if you will. The Rams have adjusted his game because of his knee. And he doesnt like it. And I dont blame him. He sees a good back behind him and we drafted another, not good for the ego. Gurley is a stud and needs to be fed. Last nite he was getting 4,5,6 yards a carry up the gut. That's a first down every 3 plays. Do that and he will bust one. I will defer to McVay. But I say feed Gurley thru the air or on the ground, he will tell you if he has a problem.

 

[jrry32]

We won in spite of McVay? Do y'all remember the decade plus of terrible coaching? If you don't, take a look at the Browns getting constant procedural penalties (and penalties for undisciplined play), the fucking draw on 4th and 9, and how our half time adjustments kicked their ass.

If that doesn't remind you of the Fisher years and you don't appreciate what we have, I have nothing to say to you. I never thought I'd hear this fanbase start to sound like the spoiled ass Patriots, Steelers, etc. fans after what we went through, but I guess some sustained success makes people forget where we were.

 

[badnews]

OMG Goff was terrible look lol Mayfield is so exciting

Dude stands tall and throws downfield. Thank God we have a QB who does. Every once in a while, a bad choice will get picked when you look for chunk passing plays. Goff has been otherworldly at going for deep and intermediate targets without many picks. So he had 2 and neither were alarming. It's part of playing QB. When your interior line is struggling, a QB who will stand tall and look downfield can sometimes get stripped while throwing.... It's not shocking, Goff wasn't late or stupid, the other team just made a play.

I swear Rams nation hated the safe dink n' dunk QBs, we get a kid who has been outstanding in his TD/INT ratio, who zips for 20+ REGULARLY and when he so much as plays an average game he gets psychoanalysis, questioning his development, creating a lot of "worry".... lol this is nuts. We have a good QB we can win with.
We not only "can", we are winning with.... and not in spite of.

Sorry, I am kinda blown away by this negativity towards 16. People are only upset because of their own expectations being sky high due to the standards for success that Goff himself has created.

Y'all have all been watching this game long enough to know that good players have bad games, good teams have slump, good kickers sometimes miss, good coaches sometimes call a bad timeout. Winning on the road is ALWAYS hard, no matter how easy Goff makes it seem.

 

[Noregar]

This team has the talent and coaching to go all the way. They may be little off offensively but they are winning. They just have to stay healthy.

One of the big offseason fears voiced here has actually come true - Demby starting on the interior. He has held up pretty well against two very good defensive fronts. All three of the young o-linemen will continue to improve and the offense will hit hit's stride as the season progresses. I think the Rams miss Saffold in the run game but overall I like what I have seen from Noteboom and Allen.

I am really stoked about the defense and still think they could end up top 5. We have a better secondary and it is really nice to see more pressure off the edges from Fowler and Mathews (something that was mostly missing last year).

I would much prefer to see this team hit is peak in December and January anyway.

 

[janthony6]

It felt like it took us 4 weeks to really get it going last year. TNF against the Vikings. There’s some new stuff we are doing on O so just be patient. Defense is in its 2nd season together and it shows.

 

[Ewe83]

OMG Goff was terrible look lol Mayfield is so exciting
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Dude stands tall and throws downfield. Thank God we have a QB who does. Every once in a while, a bad choice will get picked when you look for chunk passing plays. Goff has been otherworldly at going for deep and intermediate targets without many picks. So he had 2 and neither were alarming. It's part of playing QB. When your interior line is struggling, a QB who will stand tall and look downfield can sometimes get stripped while throwing.... It's not shocking, Goff wasn't late or stupid, the other team just made a play.

I swear Rams nation hated the safe dink n' dunk QBs, we get a kid who has been outstanding in his TD/INT ratio, who zips for 20+ REGULARLY and when he so much as plays an average game he gets psychoanalysis, questioning his development, creating a lot of "worry".... lol this is nuts. We have a good QB we can win with.
We not only "can", we are winning with.... and not in spite of.

Sorry, I am kinda blown away by this negativity towards 16. People are only upset because of their own expectations being sky high due to the standards for success that Goff himself has created.

Y'all have all been watching this game long enough to know that good players have bad games, good teams have slump, good kickers sometimes miss, good coaches sometimes call a bad timeout. Winning on the road is ALWAYS hard, no matter how easy Goff makes it seem.View attachment 30652

Some of y'all are like my kids whining cause you didn't get sprinkles on your ice cream, you have ice cream!

 

[badnews]

Some of y'all are like my kids whining cause you didn't get sprinkles on your ice cream, you have ice cream!

It's a rocky road lol

 

[fearsomefour]

The 3rd and 3 play snide the 50 with 3 mins left was brutal by Goff. A first essentially iced the game. He forced a horrendous pass through coverage and was picked. Honestly the rams won and glad the pas was picked learning experience. Gurley was wide open in the flat.

I like the call.
It was going for the win. The LB stepped up, then dropped. Goff didn’t see him. Not an excuse for the throw, but, it happens.
Complaining about the call is tiresome nonsense. If they ran, against a stacked front, and didn’t get it everyone would bitch about being predictable.
The call was fine.

 

[Ramit]

OMG Goff was terrible look lol Mayfield is so exciting
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Dude stands tall and throws downfield. Thank God we have a QB who does. Every once in a while, a bad choice will get picked when you look for chunk passing plays. Goff has been otherworldly at going for deep and intermediate targets without many picks. So he had 2 and neither were alarming. It's part of playing QB. When your interior line is struggling, a QB who will stand tall and look downfield can sometimes get stripped while throwing.... It's not shocking, Goff wasn't late or stupid, the other team just made a play.

I swear Rams nation hated the safe dink n' dunk QBs, we get a kid who has been outstanding in his TD/INT ratio, who zips for 20+ REGULARLY and when he so much as plays an average game he gets psychoanalysis, questioning his development, creating a lot of "worry".... lol this is nuts. We have a good QB we can win with.
We not only "can", we are winning with.... and not in spite of.

Sorry, I am kinda blown away by this negativity towards 16. People are only upset because of their own expectations being sky high due to the standards for success that Goff himself has created.

Y'all have all been watching this game long enough to know that good players have bad games, good teams have slump, good kickers sometimes miss, good coaches sometimes call a bad timeout. Winning on the road is ALWAYS hard, no matter how easy Goff makes it seem.View attachment 30652

Brother, I feel you. You have extremely valid points and sound logic. The problem is that logic and feelings dont mix just like religion and politics. We as a fan base remember the magic feeling of the GSOT and as good as this team as, as good as it is to win "ugly", it cant compete with that feeling. I honestly think that is where most of the worry comes from. Bro, Goff is 24, I know he might end up a better pocket passer than even Aaron Rodgers by 28. But how do I feel watching him throw a pick late in the 4th when a completion ices the game? Answer:less than magical.

 

[fearsomefour]

Some of that play calling just sucked and reminded me of Martz. 3rd and 2 and you don't run Gurley WTF. Also 8:30 left in the game and Gurley is not in there for the Rams possession. Oh, and let's not forget the timeout he called right before Reynolds made his first catch of the season for a 20 yard gain and a first down. Mcvay looked out of sorts and I know he is going to say during his press conference he has got to do better and he does. Goff seemed somewhat upset with him on the sideline after that 3rd and 2 play where they threw an incomplete pass.

McVay: 27-8 (not counting playoffs)

The ten years before McVay:

46-113-1 (no Fing playoffs)

I can’t wait for your list of college coaches the Rams should consider.
Jumped up Jesus Christ.