I feel pretty comfortable with Joe Noteboom taking over for big Whit next year.
Pro Football Focus ranks LT Joe Noteboom @ #162 of NFL UFA's
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I do too, but Whit still has 2 big games left in him.....
His name wasn't mentioned last night and that is the best compliment you can give an O-lineman. He has earned the right to start somewhere.
OntarioRam
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He's been a stud. His pass pro already looks to be top-notch. Run blocking is solid but nothing special. Hopefully, he can improve there as times goes on. I do notice a drop off running to the left with Big Whit on the sidelines.
Whit’s got 2 more wins in him. Maybe more if he wants to keep going… but yeah feels good to have Noteboom ready for the future.
Well Chris Colinsworth thought a lot about Noteboom.He always has been ready though & that’s no secret.
I don’t know the future.I did show you what I saw in training camp.Big Whit though is a big question mark.I don’t know ?
What I know is in 2018 there were Ram Fans that thought he was done.I’ve followed him pretty well & think he just wanted to make it to 40
& never have doubts.
He talked about playing Golf with Gretzky.He told him play as long as you can unless you know your done basically.He also is up for NFL Man if the Year award. Thought he got it but it was the other award.
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2022 NFL Free Agent Rankings: Top 200 players expected to enter free agency
2022 NFL Free Agent Rankings: Top 200 players expected to enter free agency
The 2021 NFL season is over, leaving all 32 teams to turn to free agency and the 2022 NFL Draft. Here is a look at the 200 best players set to hit the free-agent market this offseason.
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2022 NFL Free Agent Rankings: Top 200 players expected to enter free agency
The 2021 NFL season is over, leaving all 32 teams to turn to free agency and the 2022 NFL Draft. Here is a look at the 200 best players set to hit the free-agent market this offseason.
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#162. LT JOSEPH NOTEBOOM, LOS ANGELES RAMS
Noteboom has dealt with a few injuries and also played behind the legendary 40-year-old Andrew Whitworth, the oldest non-quarterback to play in a Super Bowl. He’s an intriguing free agent though: Over the last two seasons on more than 450 pass-blocking snaps, Noteboom has a 77.8 pass-blocking grade.Strengths:
-Prototypical tools
-Pass protection
-Age
Weaknesses:
-Inexperience
-Very small sample size
-Run blocking
Scheme Fit/Role:
POSSIBLE STARTING LT: With Andrew Whitworth out through injury, Noteboom got an opportunity to start three games this past season. He acquitted himself well, allowing four total pressures across those three games. Opportunities at left tackle have been few and far between so far in his career, but he looked like a player capable of starting in the league.
Recent Injury History:
Noteboom suffered a pectoral strain late in the season that ruled him out of the NFC Championship Game.
Contract Projection: One year, $4 million, $2.25 million total guaranteed
Bottom Line:
Noteboom was a third-round developmental tackle when he was drafted, and he has had to sit behind starters on the Rams, but the starts he made in 2021 suggested he could be a viable starter in this league. It would be a risk for whichever team takes the plunge, but it's one that may pay off.
OntarioRam
Hall of Fame
I agree with that PPF article and have been saying this about Noteboom for some time - he is injury prone and has a very small sample size of good work having played behind Whitworth. I am not convinced that Noteboom will find many teams willing to offer him big money. Although, with how thin offensive line talent is, perhaps I am wrong.
I think it is more likely that a chance to start ends up being more determinative of where Noteboom ends up than strictly $$$. He has earned the chance to start. But I hope it is not for the Rams. Unlucky for Noteboom (and lucky for the Rams), Whitworth was largely healthy for his time here. Usually, a player in his position would have had more chances to show his stuff with injuries forcing him into action at his natural position.
I have nothing against the player. I quite like Noteboom. But a Super Bowl favourite like the Rams should not be going with a player that is somewhat untested at a position as important as LT. If you make the wrong call, there will not be any good replacements available come September. If Big Whit (who is an absolutely elite LT) retires, the Rams should use all of that cap space, plus more if necessary, to bring in a top tier replacement. Especially with how pass happy this offense and coaching staff is, and with Stafford's injury history.
I think it is more likely that a chance to start ends up being more determinative of where Noteboom ends up than strictly $$$. He has earned the chance to start. But I hope it is not for the Rams. Unlucky for Noteboom (and lucky for the Rams), Whitworth was largely healthy for his time here. Usually, a player in his position would have had more chances to show his stuff with injuries forcing him into action at his natural position.
I have nothing against the player. I quite like Noteboom. But a Super Bowl favourite like the Rams should not be going with a player that is somewhat untested at a position as important as LT. If you make the wrong call, there will not be any good replacements available come September. If Big Whit (who is an absolutely elite LT) retires, the Rams should use all of that cap space, plus more if necessary, to bring in a top tier replacement. Especially with how pass happy this offense and coaching staff is, and with Stafford's injury history.
I've seen enough to know we should feel pretty comfortable with Boom as a blindside pass protector.
I'd like to see a multi-year deal, get him while he's affordable. If you do a one year deal and he shows himself as a starting caliber LT to the rest of the league, he'll be looking for a massive payday on the open market next year.
And for the record while I do want to see the guy get what he deserves if that happens, it's in the team's best interest to avoid that situation if possible.
I'd like to see a multi-year deal, get him while he's affordable. If you do a one year deal and he shows himself as a starting caliber LT to the rest of the league, he'll be looking for a massive payday on the open market next year.
And for the record while I do want to see the guy get what he deserves if that happens, it's in the team's best interest to avoid that situation if possible.
Yeah if the Rams think he's the right guy then pay him. If not then let him walk. There's no room in defending a title for bringing a guy in to see if he can do the job. They need to ensure they got the guy they want out there.
Who else is out there at LT?
I like Boom. If Whit retires and they resign Boom, it will show the Front Office like him too. They were proven right on the centre position this past off-season and they've earned the benefit of the doubt with roster decisions at this point.
I agree, and it's not like the cupboards are bare behind Noteboom either as Alaric Jackson was also a pleasant surprise in relief.
OntarioRam
Hall of Fame
Yes, if Boom can be had on the cheap, I could live with the dice roll. If that occurs, I would want to see the cap savings re-directed to the other offensive line positions to bolster the interior.
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Alaric Jackson was a very nice surprise. But before Jackson saw the field with our offense with both Noteboom & Whitworth out OL coach Carberry went with the over 6-6 ft 320 plus pound starting left OG David Edwards @ LT. Not much has been discussed on that past event & what Carbeery did.
The other Carberry/Kromer backup practice LT was very short now entering his 3rd season Tremayne Anchrum who as a rookie saw #2 team reps in OTA's/TC & preseason @ LT post. Even Carberry in 2021 was utilizing Ancrum primarily @ OT. The problem was Tremayne Anchrum tore up a knee playing in 3rd preseason gm. & was basically shelved for the 2021 season.
So it sure looks like the Rams OL cupboard is jammed full of OT's likes (both Right & Left) bu,t very depleted of run blocking interior OL'ers. Finally, even 4th yr Bobby Evans who is under contract was a starting LT in college plus we all know that Evans can not play OG in the NFL so it's swing OT or unemployment line for Evans.
OL Carberry has youngsters Adrian Ealy & Max Pircher lined up behind starting veteran starting RT Rob Havenstien. Seriously that is a large cadre of OT's under contract.
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I'd actually be comfortable moving Shelton to LG, keeping Allen at Center, and making Edwards a swing OT this next season, although it's unlikely to play out that way. Since Edwards is scheduled to enter free agency following the upcoming season, I feel we'll lose him without discovering his full potential as an OT. Edwards was made an early starter at OG because of OL injuries, this situation also precipitated the trade for Corbett and in moving Blythe from LG to Center, it was a chaotic period for us that ended up working out fairly well, at least temporarily, although our subsequent drafting for depth on the interior OL apparently lost all focus.
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I have been pondering Coleman Shelton for a long while now. The more I see him on the field the better I like him.
Carberry did start him at both OC & LG plus utilized him a ton on ST's along with being in as the 6th OL on the outside of the OT after the "total collapse"
of Bobby Evans in 2021 offseason. CS was able to make all the blocks but what stood out to me was his mobility & sticking the moving target. He has very short arms though for standards for most LG's. PFF has his overall rating of 57.7 with 215 snaps with the offense in 2021.I know that when the Rams went into the Cards Game on 12/15 CS's season grades were overall 62 with a run-blocking grade of 61.5 & pass-blocking grade of 58.9. Here are some other nuggets on Coleman Shelton below:
The above indicates CS was graded a 66.8 against the Jags. I also saw where CS did not do as well against the Vikings LG/C Coleman Shelton: 50.0 when we had 3 OL'ers being shifted around due to injuries.
Which Rams players were forced to step up vs Cardinals and how did they do?
LA was missing many key starters on Monday, but came away with a victory because of impressive depth
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In the first game of the playoff against the Cards center, CS was graded 62.0.
View: https://twitter.com/DaneCrane55/status/1470615709919035392?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1470615709919035392%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.turfshowtimes.com%2F2021%2F12%2F14%2F22834373%2Frams-cardinals-snap-counts-coleman-shelton
We do know that CS got a ton of snaps @ CENTER very early (OTA's/Training Camp/Preseason) in this 2021 Championship season when Brain Allen was not being utilized.
Might the Rams do the same with center UFA Brian Allen as they did with UFA Austin Blythe? I believe so. Rams had CS here in waiting when they let the Blythe situation a year ago take place. The Rams had no idea if Brian Allen was going to be close to healthy for the 2021 season. Early in 2021, we saw a ton of OC Jeremiah Kolone @ #2 center behind CS.
PFF has gone on record saying that they believe that Brian Allen will get Three years, $21.75 million $7.5 million a year contract. If that were to happen Snead might end up with an awarded 2023 4th or 5th rd compensatory pick.
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Rams have 2 centers signed currently in Jeremiah Kolone & Drake Jackson. CS is a RFA whose 2022 tender will only be $850 K. The bottom line (at this time for me) is CS has been groomed for 3 yrs as a Ram to be the starting center in 2022. David Edwards has been the starting OG since his rookie season I see no reason to throw him out of the starting LG post in his 4th season. If they sign UFA LT Joe Noteboom then all they really have to do is find a starting RG.
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I've been very dismissive of Coleman Shelton in the past, but I've been wrong before. His short arms worried me.. but his actual play this year was passable, if a small sample. He may be a real option. He's the same age as Allen.. so I'm not sure how much better he can get, but maybe he's ready to step up. Biggest issue seems to be that he's not very powerful.
I think Noteboom's going to have to show a full season as starter before anyone throws big money at him. I see a decent chance of him taking a one-year "prove it" deal. Gives the Rams a year to draft and develop a potential replacement (or another year to see if Alaric Jackson is a genuine player).
I think Noteboom's going to have to show a full season as starter before anyone throws big money at him. I see a decent chance of him taking a one-year "prove it" deal. Gives the Rams a year to draft and develop a potential replacement (or another year to see if Alaric Jackson is a genuine player).
One other irritating thing here is that it seems of late that teams have been paying centers a bit more. With all these young QBs I think there's been some focus on taking pre-snap threat calls from them and letting centers handle them like we did with Goff and Sully in 2017/2018. Translation is guys like Allen and the kid from Tampa are likely to get some money in FA.
I'm guessing Allen will be the #2 center in FA.
I'm guessing Allen will be the #2 center in FA.
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Yep, that particular center dialogue is wide open for discussion.
An SB-winning starting center like Brian Allen, that has been under McVay for 4 seasons is going to get some attention for sure. Two years removed from that knee injury & finally a full season of starts some involving a half dozen of the biggest games during the 2021 season. If you think he will not get offers better rethink that especially if he is centering to a very young starting QB.