Potential WR Trade Targets

[PARAM]

If by any good you mean Cooper Kupp and Puka Nacua, I agree.
I think it's fair to say that CJ won't be either one of those guys.
Josh Reynolds had 50 snaps, 2 targets, and 1 reception at this exact point in his rookie season.
Ferg had 59 snaps, 4 targets, and 2 receptions at this exact point last year.
Skoronek had also barely played.

I don't agree with "absolutely damning." You seem to have this need to use extreme hyperbole.

When the Rams were running 11P more than any other team in the NFL, yes rookie WRs found the field quicker.

That's a fact that is totally ignored by many in this discussion.
When-they-were-running-11P-more

 

[PhillyRam]

I would disagree.
And I also offered a rebuke that added context.

And, bigger picture.. if guys are ready to contribute, they play.

I’ve shown the numbers.

You have no idea how Corum would have performed as rookie if given the opportunity much earlier, and more regularly than he got.

Look at Puka. If Puka was a rookie when this team had Kupp, Woods, and Cooks, he probably doesnt see the field much at all. Yet, he obviously would have been ready. He saw the field early because the Rams were banged up at WR in week 1 that year, and he excelled.

If Max Klare was on TE needy team, he is probably playing and contributing.

 

[Pupped]

If by any good you mean Cooper Kupp and Puka Nacua, I agree.
I think it's fair to say that CJ won't be either one of those guys.
Josh Reynolds had 50 snaps, 2 targets, and 1 reception at this exact point in his rookie season.
Ferg had 59 snaps, 4 targets, and 2 receptions at this exact point last year.
Skoronek had also barely played.

I don't agree with "absolutely damning." You seem to have this need to use extreme hyperbole.

Not at all. Look at the competition Reynolds had for snaps. A much deeper WR room. And was active for all games.

Benny Skow.. love the guy.. if you’re arguing he’s had a productive career as a WR, we have very different standards.

TFerg was active 14 games… and was behind 3 quality tight ends.

There’s absolutely no comp to CJ Daniels usage. None.

Context matters.. it’s not hyperbole, it’s an observation.

 

[kmramsfan]

If Max Klare was on TE needy team, he is probably playing and contributing

Probably so.
Now we're starting to look like that TE needy team.

 

[Pupped]

When the Rams were running 11P more than any other team in the NFL, yes rookie WRs found the field quicker.

That's a fact that is totally ignored by many in this discussion.
When-they-were-running-11P-more

Nope. It’s not.

That’s why I discuss games being active and place on the depth chart.

Presenting personnel groupings without any additional context doesn’t prove anything

 

[Pupped]

You have no idea how Corum would have performed as rookie if given the opportunity much earlier, and more regularly than he got.

Look at Puka. If Puka was a rookie when this team had Kupp, Woods, and Cooks, he probably doesnt see the field much at all. Yet, he obviously would have been ready. He saw the field early because the Rams were banged up at WR in week 1 that year, and he excelled.

If Max Klare was on TE needy team, he is probably playing and contributing.

I know Corum got playing time.
And.. I know there’s one RB on the field at the time.

lol.. arguing Puka wouldn’t have been on the field.

 

[DzRams]

Not at all. Look at the competition Reynolds had for snaps. A much deeper WR room. And was active for all games.

Context matters.. it’s not hyperbole, it’s an observation.

Reynolds only had Woods, Sammy Watkins, and a rookie Kupp above him. Sure, he was active but he didn't get on the field. Can't spin that.

If context matters, you shouldn't be so quick to dismiss Param's point about the emphasis on 13. The de-emphasis of the WR position as a whole is critical context.

 

[Pupped]

Reynolds only had Woods, Sammy Watkins, and a rookie Kupp above him. Sure, he was active but he didn't get on the field. Can't spin that.

If context matters, you shouldn't be so quick to dismiss Param's point about the emphasis on 13. The de-emphasis of the WR position as a whole is critical context.

Are you arguing… just to argue?

Daniel’s couldn’t beat out X Smith, Mumpfield, Whitt, Bachmann & Tutu to even get active.

Oh.. that roster also had Tavon Austin.. Mike Thomas and Pharoah Cooper. He ended up with more targets than all of them.

550+ snaps are going to WRs not named Adams & Nacua… 5 of those to Daniels.

That’s the answer to the 13 excuse

 

[PARAM]

Here's the skill position players drafted by the Rams and their rookie season offensive snap counts

WR
Kupp 736
Reynolds 279
Jefferson 256
Atwell 10
Skowronek 178
Harris 15
Nacua 1,000
Whittington 278
Mumpfield 375
Daniels 5

TE
Everett 297
Hopkins 2
Allen 192
Ferguson 356
Klare 26

RB
Kelly 50
Henderson 93
Akers 297
Funk 20
Kyren 141
Evans 16
Corum 119
Hunter 0

If we were going to rank those draft picks by how many snaps they got....under the theory "if you're good you'll play"......we'd get some interesting discussions, eh?

 

[Pupped]

Here's the skill position players drafted by the Rams and their rookie season offensive snap counts

WR
Kupp 736
Reynolds 279
Jefferson 256
Atwell 10
Skowronek 178
Harris 15
Nacua 1,000
Whittington 278
Mumpfield 375
Daniels 5

TE
Everett 297
Hopkins 2
Allen 192
Ferguson 356
Klare 26

RB
Kelly 50
Henderson 93
Akers 297
Funk 20
Kyren 141
Evans 16
Corum 119
Hunter 0

If we were going to rank those draft picks by how many snaps they got....under the theory "if you're good you'll play"......we'd get some interesting discussions, eh?

Whose case do you think you’re making here?
And, again… with Kyren, he suffered a major ankle injury. his first game.

 

[DzRams]

Are you arguing… just to argue?

Daniel’s couldn’t beat out X Smith, Mumpfield, Whitt, Bachmann & Tutu to even get active.

Oh.. that roster also had Tavon Austin.. Mike Thomas and Pharoah Cooper. He ended up with more targets than all of them.

550+ snaps are going to WRs not named Adams & Nacua… 5 of those to Daniels.

That’s the answer to the 13 excuse

Do you hear yourself?

Tavon Austin had 47 yards that year, Pharoh Cooper 84 yards, and Mike Thomas had 93 yards. The. Entire. Year.
Cooper and Thomas went on to have 545 yards and 383 yards respectively in their entire careers of 6-7 seasons.

To call that depth is the definition of arguing just to argue.

Tutu, Mumpfield, and Whitt are objectively better than Cooper and Thomas.

Bring some facts, man. This is dumb. Better yet, I'm out.

 

[Pupped]

Do you hear yourself?

Tavon Austin had 47 yards that year, Pharoh Cooper 84 yards, and Mike Thomas had 93 yards. The. Entire. Year.
Cooper and Thomas went on to have 545 yards and 383 yards respectively in their entire careers of 6-7 seasons.

To call that depth is the definition of arguing just to argue.

Tutu, Mumpfield, and Whitt are objectively better than Cooper and Thomas.

Bring some facts, man. This is dumb. Better yet, I'm out.

Now.. that’s more like it!

You make an actual relevant argument here.

But.. again.. the being inactive and beyond minuscule snap count are complete outliers.

Not to mention.. Cooper at least had other utility. Same with Austin.

 

[Mackeyser]

Not necessarily. Cooper Kupp and Puka were anomalies. McVay is notoriously hesitant to play rookies, especially on offense especially because everyone’s a blocker and they don’t play until they have a decent command of the playbook and can block.

Ferguson and Kmart are examples of guys who could have been making plays from the beginning, but with McVay, the bar to getting on the field is so much higher than on other teams, especially on offense.

Kmart?

Did my autocorrect just give Klare a nickname?

 

[PARAM]

Whose case do you think you’re making here?
And, again… with Kyren, he suffered a major ankle injury. his first game.

I'm not making a case for anybody. I'm supplying numbers to the conversation and commenting on the "if your good, you'll play" theory. Reynolds and Jefferson's names were mentioned and they both compare with Whittington and Mumpfield, with respect to rookie snaps. IE, "beating somebody else out".

And I know we put Kupp and Puka is the same conversation but rookie year performances weren't even close. There's Puka and there's everybody else.

With respect to Davis Allen, who might be under rated by Rams fans, he had just 192 rookies snaps. The other 2 tight ends were Higbee and Hopkins.

 

[Fire Ants]

This thread is still going?...even though it's obvious we won't be adding another WR, nor to we need to?

Seems like 1 person is making this about WRs, when it’s obviously about Stafford(and/or possibly McVay)

Funny how other teams with lesser WRs still manage to get the ball to the WRs.

Seems like penalties, special teams, and poor officiating are all more valid reasons for the Rams sub-standard record.

But hey, let's keep yammering about fictional WRs who are available and better than what the Rams already have.

 

[Pupped]

I'm not making a case for anybody. I'm supplying numbers to the conversation and commenting on the "if your good, you'll play" theory. Reynolds and Jefferson's names were mentioned and they both compare with Whittington and Mumpfield, with respect to rookie snaps. IE, "beating somebody else out".

And I know we put Kupp and Puka is the same conversation but rookie year performances weren't even close. There's Puka and there's everybody else.

With respect to Davis Allen, who might be under rated by Rams fans, he had just 192 rookies snaps. The other 2 tight ends were Higbee and Hopkins.

You’re right on their rookie numbers.

The difference is the good players showed something by season two. Neither of these guys did.

And no one who had the type of season Daniels has had so far, meaning absolutely nothing.. have gone on to to anything.

And I’m way more focused on WRs.. because this is a thread about WRs.

And I broke out Kupp and Puka.. the outliers… I showed what the moderately successful guys, career wise, did their rookie years.

And MY POINT… is that McVay doesn’t have a policy of not playing rookies.

He has a policy of not playing guys who aren’t ready or who aren’t good enough.

 

[PhillyRam]

Fans were bitching because he barely played, despite showing more of burst than Williams. It wasn't until mid season where he may have gotten a few touches a game.

I know Corum got playing time.
And.. I know there’s one RB on the field at the time.

lol.. arguing Puka wouldn’t have been on the field.

 

[Ram65]

Let's not forget the context. Take 2017 McVay's first year. It was a total transition year. Kupp although a 3rd round pick only due to questionable speed. Some had him ranking him as the best WR in the draft. Gurley had 64 catches for 788 yards and 6 TDs. The rookies got playing time and they had more depth at WR. Everett was a hybrid TE. The Rams were using P11 at the highest rate every.

Here is the complete 2017 statistical breakdown for every wide receiver and tight end on the Rams' roster, with the rookies bolded and highlighted:

Player	Position	Status	Receptions	Receiving Yards	Touchdowns	Offensive Snap Count (%)
Sammy Watkins	WR	Veteran	39	593	8	774 (75%)
Cooper Kupp	WR	Rookie	62	869	5	703 (68%)
Robert Woods	WR	Veteran	56	781	5	645 (62%)
Tyler Higbee	TE	2nd-Year	25	295	1	771 (74%)
Gerald Everett	TE	Rookie	16	244	2	271 (26%)
Josh Reynolds	WR	Rookie	11	104	1	240 (23%)
Pharoh Cooper	WR	2nd-Year	11	84	0	107 (10%)
Tavon Austin	WR	Veteran	13	47	0	224 (21%)
Mike Thomas	WR	2nd-Year	5	93	0	45 (4%)
Derek Carrier	TE	Veteran	8	71	0	185 (18%)

 

[Pupped]

Fans were bitching because he barely played, despite showing more of burst than Williams. It wasn't until mid season where he may have gotten a few touches a game.

And?

Wanna play percentages of production per position group? To get an accurate depiction of his actual role?

Spoiler alert.. it’s 100% higher than Daniels 0.

Corum had about 13% of Rams RB yardage in 2024.

Daniels would need to be on track for about 500 yards to match that.

When he’s at 0… seems unlikely.

Did Corum have lower production in first half of season? Yup. About 30% of his season totals in 8 games.

 

[jrry32]

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That was a big hope of mine to get him back.

I wasn't expecting him back this week, but the fact that he already picked up a new injury so quickly after returning to practice is bad news.