(Poll) Should the NFL lift its ban on marijuana?

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Should the NFL lift its ban on marijuana?

  • Yes

    Votes: 85 74.6%
  • No

    Votes: 29 25.4%

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I think they should allow it, just not before or during a game, and teams could deal with player discipline individually. It's safer than pain pills and alcohol. Of course this would probably require the US to legalize it nationwide.
 

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I tend to agree with this. I'm of the mindset that inhaling anything other than air is probably bad for you, and depending on where you live even the air is bad for you. Which is why I've always preferred edibles, that and I feel is has a better overall affect.

I've read that the heat emitted from a deep joint hit is more damaging to the lungs than what tars may be produced, but time will tell. Of course, using a water pipe properly will somewhat reduce the heat factor.
 

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As for sport, I want to see players performing at their highest level without drugs...but that's just me.
That no longer exists, and hasn't for some time. Toradol injections have been used pregame and even during a game to kill pain since 1994, and before that cortisone injections were used, and they both have documented side effects.
 

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That no longer exists, and hasn't for some time. Toradol injections have been used pregame and even during a game to kill pain since 1994, and before that cortisone injections were used, and they both have documented side effects.

Maybe..but then why pretend anymore, if so? Lets go full steroid in the NFL and I can have my Sunday's free in October.
 

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This notion that there are still long term usage marijuana side effects still undiscovered via research is nonsense. Same goes for alcohol.

Things like vaping and about a zillion other synthetic drugs advertised every 30 minutes on television? Yeah the jury is still out on those.
 

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This notion that there are still long term usage marijuana side effects still undiscovered via research is nonsense. Same goes for alcohol.

Things like vaping and about a zillion other synthetic drugs advertised every 30 minutes on television? Yeah the jury is still out on those.
Yea I disagree that all is known about long term usage of marijuana. The below study has a component that will study usage/exposure to substances, which include: ialcohol, marijuana, nicotine, caffeine. they obviously don't think it is nonsense, Mojo.
https://www.drugabuse.gov/related-t...escent-brain-cognitive-development-abcd-study

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Why Do We Need the ABCD Study?
Adolescence is a period of dramatic brain development in which children are exposed to all sorts of experiences. Yet, our understanding of precisely how these experiences interact with each other and a child’s biology to affect brain development and, ultimately, social, behavioral, health, and other outcomes, is still incomplete"
 

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Yea I disagree that all is known about long term usage of marijuana. The below study has a component that will study usage/exposure to substances, which include: ialcohol, marijuana, nicotine, caffeine. they obviously don't think it is nonsense, Mojo.
That's cool. We disagree. I say it's nonsense. It's been funneled through generation after generation of humans and the physical and mental effects are in the books. Unless we're talking about marijuana effects on an evolutionary scale...there aren't going to be any shocking new discoveries there in terms of bodily harm.
 

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Here is another peer reviewed article considering a recently concluded study about the changes in adolescents using marijuana, that has found negative effects on the brain as a consequence of marijuana use by adolescents

Marijuana (MJ) use continues to rise, and as the perceived risk of using MJ approaches an all-time historic low, initiation of MJ use is occurring at even younger ages. As adolescence is a critical period of neuromaturation, teens and emerging adults are at greater risk for experiencing the negative effects of MJ on the brain. In particular, MJ use has been shown to be associated with alterations in frontal white matter microstructure, which may be related to reports of increased levels of impulsivity in this population.
The aim of this study was to examine the relationship between age of onset of MJ use, white matter microstructure, and reported impulsivity in chronic, heavy MJ smokers.
Twenty-five MJ smokers and 18 healthy controls underwent diffusion tensor imaging and completed the Barratt Impulsiveness Scale. MJ smokers were also divided into early onset (regular use prior to age 16) and late onset (age 16 or later) groups in order to clarify the impact of age of onset of MJ use on these variables.
MJ smokers exhibited significantly reduced fractional anisotropy (FA) relative to controls, as well as higher levels of impulsivity. Earlier MJ onset was also associated with lower levels of FA. Interestingly, within the early onset group, higher impulsivity scores were correlated with lower FA, a relationship that was not observed in the late onset smokers.
MJ use is associated with white matter development and reported impulsivity, particularly in early onset smokers.

This was an abstract of the actual study, found on my university library's website, which I don't know if it is available on the net. The paper is "Worth the Wait: effects of age of onset of marijuana use on white matter and impulsivity" by Staci A Gruber; Mary Kathryn Dahlgren; Kelly A Sagar; Atilla Gönenç; Scott E Lukas.(April 2014)
 
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Personally, the biggest concern is the well documented loss of short term memory. If players are forgetting plays, the competition is cheapened and the probability of injury increases especially if it's an offensive player who is missing blocking assignments.

Not sure that I feel strongly one way or the other, but that should be a coach's and team physician's decision.
 

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Really ? So I sat in my house and smoked a joint and now I deserve to be punished ? Go to jail ? Affecting my ability to gain employment and support my family ? Affecting my ability to travel and vacation with my family ? Seems pretty cruel to me.

I totally support punishment if somebody gets behind the wheel and hurts somebody while they are impaired but otherwise the punitive approach is cruel and unnecessary.
That's not really what I mean. I'm talking strictly for NFL purposes. As someone said, the NFL has a right to ban any substance they want. However, I believe players should be able to get prescriptions for it and that way the NFL can't punish them. But if they don't have one and are still using, they can come down with the hammer anyway they want.

Another stipulation is during the offseason players should be able to do whatever they want. I don't think it's fair that they get punished during their time off. The NFL is a different breed. As long as they aren't getting arrested and all that, anything goes. But as soon as OTAs start, guys better be clean and ready to go.
 

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The idea that being stoned is more advantageous than drunk makes laugh
 

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I can't believe that some people are actually arguing that marijuana is a PED. I kind of feel like some people just don't like marijuana for whatever reasons and come up with some pretty absurd arguments to justify their opinions or force others to live by them.
 

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That's not really what I mean. I'm talking strictly for NFL purposes. As someone said, the NFL has a right to ban any substance they want. However, I believe players should be able to get prescriptions for it and that way the NFL can't punish them. But if they don't have one and are still using, they can come down with the hammer anyway they want.

Another stipulation is during the offseason players should be able to do whatever they want. I don't think it's fair that they get punished during their time off. The NFL is a different breed. As long as they aren't getting arrested and all that, anything goes. But as soon as OTAs start, guys better be clean and ready to go.

Thanks for clarifying, I didn't realize you were strictly talking within the NFL confines. I still think it would be overley harsh to punish players for smoking weed in the evenings after work by suspending them and costing them millions of dollars. If I was a coach I'd be far more opposed to my players drinking after work. There's a very real possibility of waking up with a debilitating hangover which is going to negatively affect practice participation and energy levels, concentration, etc
 

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Thanks for clarifying, I didn't realize you were strictly talking within the NFL confines. I still think it would be overley harsh to punish players for smoking weed in the evenings after work by suspending them and costing them millions of dollars. If I was a coach I'd be far more opposed to my players drinking after work. There's a very real possibility of waking up with a debilitating hangover which is going to negatively affect practice participation and energy levels, concentration, etc
While I do agree, I doubt the NFL would ever think that way. When it comes to these things I try to think rationally but also in a way the NFL would. And I doubt they ever relinquish punishments on weed.
 

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But even now at age 53 (Today's my birthday)

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but as someone who consumed near 100 tabs from my late teens to mid-20's, I never had a bad experience.

I took it three times and the last time convinced me never to do it again. It took me a good 24 hours to come back to reality. In those days, in the SF Bay area, some idiots thought it was funny to spike your drink or food at a party or concert. Anyone who followed the Grateful Dead knew what they were in for.

Personally I enjoy the feeling of being in control of my body and especially my thought process and don't want anything controlling how I feel. What anyone else decides to do is up to them as long as they do no harm to me or mine.
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http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/addiction/marijuana-use-and-its-effects#1

How Does Marijuana Affect You?

If you’ve ever smoked a joint or eaten a pot-laced brownie, you’re hardly alone: More than 1 in 3 people in America have tried marijuana at one point in their lives.

Though occasional use isn’t usually harmful, pot can affect your body and mind any time it gets into your system. Here’s what you need to know.

Physical Effects

Marijuana comes from the hemp plant Cannabis sativa.It has an active ingredient called THC that makes you feel high. THC and other compounds in marijuana can also affect the way your body works.

Most people smoke the plant's dried leaves, flowers, stems, and seeds. But marijuana can also be mixed into food (like brownies, cookies, and lollipops), brewed as a tea, or inhaled with a vaporizer.

No matter how it gets into your system, it affects almost every organ in your body, and your nervous system and immune system, too. When you smoke pot, your body absorbs THC right away.

(If you eat a baked good or another item, it may take much longer for your body to absorb THC, because it has to break down in your stomach before it enters your bloodstream). You may notice changes in your body right after you smoke. The effects usually stop after 3 or 4 hours.

How Does Marijuana Affect Your Brain?

Smoking pot can increase your heart rate by as much as two times for up to 3 hours. That’s why some people have a heart attack right after they use marijuana. It can increase bleeding, lower blood pressure, and affect your blood sugar, too.

We don’t yet know if marijuana is linked to higher odds of getting lung cancer. But the process does irritate your lungs -- which is why regular pot smokers are more likely to have an ongoing cough and to have lung-related health problems like chest colds and lung infections.

Other physical effects of marijuana include:

  • Dizziness
  • Shallow breathing
  • Red eyes and dilated pupils
  • Dry mouth
  • Increased appetite
  • Slowed reaction time (If you drive after using marijuana, your risk of being in a car accident more than doubles.)
If you’re a long-time user, you can have physical withdrawal symptoms -- like cravings, irritability, sleeplessness, and less appetite -- when you stop.

Changes to Mind and Mood

Most people use marijuana because the high makes them feel happy, relaxed, or detached from reality.

Smoking pot can also have less-pleasant effects on your mind and mood, too. You might have:

  • A distorted sense of time
  • Random thinking
  • Paranoia
  • Anxiety
  • Depression
  • Short-term forgetfulness
These effects usually ease up a few hours after you’ve used the drug.

Risks of Marijuana Use

Though you may have heard otherwise, marijuana can be addictive: Nearly 10% of people who use it become dependent on it. It isn’t clear whether marijuana is a gateway drug that makes people more likely to try harder drugs like cocaine and heroin.

The amount of THC in marijuana has gone up in recent years. Most leaves used to contain between 1% and 4% THC. Now most have closer to 7%. Experts worry this might make it easier to become dependent on or addicted to marijuana -- and it also strengthens many of the drug’s mind-altering effects.

Even if you buy from a legal, state-regulated dispensary, it can be hard to know exactly how much THC or other compounds found in marijuana you’re ingesting, so the effects can be unpredictable.

Marijuana can also cause more health problems if you have a condition like liver disease, low blood pressure, or diabetes.

If you’re a man, heavy use could lower your testosterone levels, and your sperm count and quality. That, in turn, can zap your libido and fertility.

Research shows a link between marijuana use and mental health problems
like depression, anxiety, suicidal thoughts, short-term psychosis, and schizophrenia. While it’s not clear if marijuana causes these conditions, it can make them worse.
 

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My problem is....as a guy hitting 50....I look at TV...I look at the kids listening to music...And I see the NFL as a league that is looked up to...and emulated. We need to remain a little...stringent on when we allow its use. At least for the kids. Cause it's getting outta control.
The league tells guys when they'll be tested. Anyone that can't pass that has a problem...And guys that fail these tests, then have troubles later, should be fined. No suspensions...just increasing fines. Pretty sure they'd figure it out...and I'm talking huge fines too.
So...naw, pot shouldn't be "legal" or allowed in the pros....
Marijuana is not even close to being a PED.
I can't believe that some people are actually arguing that marijuana is a PED.
OK...what makes a ped...performance enhancing drug...Pot is known to increase the ability to concentrate and focus...Yeah...for most...you guys out there that get loopy, well, your brain must be wired differently. LOL...So, if I guy has a enhanced focus, how does that help in football? Obviously it helps with training...and it probably helps in game, during crunch time. Enhances focus...There are some studies that show it also increases endurance too. Focus and endurance...in one drug. Damn that weed must be good! Don't make me put links in here...So...it is a PED.
Cocaine also enhances focus....it's a stimulant and also increases endurance....Wow...sounds like that good ass pot up there! They built pyramids on coca leaves...
Now heroin is a drug I DON'T know a lot about. Sue me...Only met a few users in my life out in LA...Well, it's not the type of high that's cool and people talk about...I doubt it's used around many in athletics. I do know...opioid type of drugs are prevalent in pain management in every sport.
Adolescence is a period of dramatic brain development in which children are exposed to all sorts of experiences. Yet, our understanding of precisely how these experiences interact with each other and a child’s biology to affect brain development and, ultimately, social, behavioral, health, and other outcomes, is still incomplete"
My original point...see, I'm getting old...kinda like a square...and trust me, I could give a fuck what someone does in their home...in there house...I hate being that guy. But if we are to look out for those that can't protect themselves, we need to stay on unregulated drugs. Until all the risks, if possible, can be known. I already got a problem with these kids of today...weirdos...clueless lot. Hell, half of the country just voted for a pot-head...and look where he's headed. Lying every week...plotting with Russia...grabbing pussy...well, I kinda liked that part of him....LOLOLOL....Naw, anything to keep kids from thinking smoking pot is cool...we need to try...the number of kids under 16 that smoke weed in LA is alarming...and just from their conversations, they're not ready to mess up their minds just yet....
 

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My problem is....as a guy hitting 50....I look at TV...I look at the kids listening to music...And I see the NFL as a league that is looked up to...and emulated. We need to remain a little...stringent on when we allow its use. At least for the kids. Cause it's getting outta control.
The league tells guys when they'll be tested. Anyone that can't pass that has a problem...And guys that fail these tests, then have troubles later, should be fined. No suspensions...just increasing fines. Pretty sure they'd figure it out...and I'm talking huge fines too.
So...naw, pot shouldn't be "legal" or allowed in the pros....

OK...what makes a ped...performance enhancing drug...Pot is known to increase the ability to concentrate and focus...Yeah...for most...you guys out there that get loopy, well, your brain must be wired differently. LOL...So, if I guy has a enhanced focus, how does that help in football? Obviously it helps with training...and it probably helps in game, during crunch time. Enhances focus...There are some studies that show it also increases endurance too. Focus and endurance...in one drug. Damn that weed must be good! Don't make me put links in here...So...it is a PED.

Cocaine also enhances focus....it's a stimulant and also increases endurance....Wow...sounds like that good ass pot up there! They built pyramids on coca leaves...
Now heroin is a drug I DON'T know a lot about. Sue me...Only met a few users in my life out in LA...Well, it's not the type of high that's cool and people talk about...I doubt it's used around many in athletics. I do know...opioid type of drugs are prevalent in pain management in every sport.
My original point...see, I'm getting old...kinda like a square...and trust me, I could give a freak what someone does in their home...in there house...I hate being that guy. But if we are to look out for those that can't protect themselves, we need to stay on unregulated drugs. Until all the risks, if possible, can be known. I already got a problem with these kids of today...weirdos...clueless lot. Hell, half of the country just voted for a pot-head...and look where he's headed. Lying every week...plotting with Russia...grabbing wuss...well, I kinda liked that part of him....LOLOLOL....Naw, anything to keep kids from thinking smoking pot is cool...we need to try...the number of kids under 16 that smoke weed in LA is alarming...and just from their conversations, they're not ready to mess up their minds just yet....

I don't think anyone on this board, regardless of their opinion on the issue, is suggesting that players be smoking weed during or before game time for one. I think most people who support players right to smoke marijuana have an idea similar to the way alcohol is handled. You obviously don't show up for work drunk or drink on your lunch break. You wait until after you day of work is over and have a drink or two in the evening to wind down for the day. I see marijuana the same way, and there's no reason why it shouldn't be. I've noticed that the anti crowd doesn't like to bite on the alcohol comparisons ? It's a tough argument to make that alcohol is fine but marijuana is not right ? and I'm pretty sure none of the anti crowd is willing to give up their beer even though thousands (maybe more) die as a direct result of alcohol abuse every year.

In terms of enhancing your playing ability I still think this is ludicrous. I've smoked marijuana and been around hundreds of others that are smoking regularly and there is no freaking way that it enhances ones athletic abilities. Some of the ways I felt when I smoked : Lethargic, lazy, couch locked, tired, unmotivated, relaxed, etc None of those things will enhance my football ability ? Just the opposite. Even though I support peoples right to smoke marijuana I actually also believe that it's not healthy in a lot of ways. Any kind of smoke in the lungs is bad for you (although there is other ways to get high without smoking). Cardiovascular health is very important to ones athletic ability and smoking anything is not going to help that.

Anyways....I don't think the argument is about smoking and playing at the same time but more about a players right to do so on their own time and whether or not they should be suspended and lose their livelihood because of it.
 

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As one of the few adults I know that has never indulged in weed, I can tell you that it does not bother me at all. Even I know it's not even close to being on the same level as other drugs. To me, it's safer than drinking. If they can drink, they can smoke.
 

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C'mon Now we all know pain management is B.S. I understand you may be in the minority but most use it to get stoned.
Addiction affects behavior.

I'm actually not in the minority (I live in Missouri, where it's still banned), but granted, if I could use marijuana over painkillers, I'd do it in a heartbeat. I'm pretty sure that the players would as well.

It's not more addictive than painkillers and other opiods. I don't understand why the NFL doesn't choose the lesser evil.
From everything I have read.There is no such thing as physical addiction to Marijuana.
However alcohol is.It is also far more dangerous than weed.