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fearsomefour

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So if there are three leaks in the boat, are you saying we should only try to patch two?
I get what you’re saying.
Kicker would seem to be sort of low priority and frankly one that likely won’t be improved by a guy like Forbath.
Kickers have been struggling like mad for a couple of years now.
I was being a bit goofy with my post, not totally serious.
But, I would stick with the kid.
 

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So if there are three leaks in the boat, are you saying we should only try to patch two?
If there are 3 leaks in the boat small objects like Sloman should be used to plug one of them.
 

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I get what you’re saying.
Kicker would seem to be sort of low priority and frankly one that likely won’t be improved by a guy like Forbath.
Kickers have been struggling like mad for a couple of years now.
I was being a bit goofy with my post, not totally serious.
But, I would stick with the kid.
I disagree on Sloman , but if everyone agreed on everything ,this place would be boring.
With your previous statement , I figured you were just letting off some steam.
I tell ya, for me personally, this game hurt me worse than any game since the Superbowl loss.
I am still down about it. I think this game hit everybody in the organization square in the mouth.
How they respond will speak volumes about how this season will unfold.
 

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Forbath had one bad year in 2015.
I know he hasn't had the reps the other guys have, but IMO
his numbers are certainly comparable to Greg Z and Mason Crosby



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mason-crosby - Currently tied at #1 in FG%

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I disagree on Sloman , but if everyone agreed on everything ,this place would be boring.
With your previous statement , I figured you were just letting off some steam.
I tell ya, for me personally, this game hurt me worse than any game since the Superbowl loss.
I am still down about it. I think this game hit everybody in the organization square in the mouth.
How they respond will speak volumes about how this season will unfold.
I agree.
The loss didn’t surprise me that much.
The Whiners are a talented team that was desperate.
This Bears game is not easy and may do a long way to determining the trajectory of the season.
Should be interesting.
 

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7 things to know about new Rams kicker Kai Forbath
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Cameron DaSilva

October 21, 2020 8:52 am

The Los Angeles Rams moved one step closer to making a change at kicker Tuesday, signing veteran Kai Forbath off the Bears’ practice squad. Samuel Sloman remains on the 53-man roster, so he hasn’t lost his job yet, but it’s clear the Rams are pushing him to improve after his recent struggles to start the year.
Here are seven things to know about Forbath, a journeyman kicker who has bounced around the league and is returning home to the L.A. area.
He was the No. 1 kicker recruit in 2006 and attended UCLA

Forbath was born in Santa Monica and went to high school at Notre Dame in Sherman Oaks, Calif. So this is somewhat of a homecoming for the journeyman kicker. He was the No. 1 kicker recruit out of high school in 2006, which led him to UCLA.
He picked UCLA over other powerhouse schools, choosing to stay close to home. In college, he made 102 of his 104 PAT attempts and 84.2% of his field goals. He had a career-low 72.2 field goal percentage as a senior, however, after making 28 of 31 field goals the year prior.
He went undrafted in 2011 after looking like a solid prospect as a junior in 2009.

The Rams are the 10th NFL team to give him a shot

Forbath got his first shot in the NFL with the Cowboys as an undrafted rookie. However, he spent one year on the team’s NFI list before being cut in 2012. Washington signed him in 2012 and in 11 games, he made 17 of 18 field goals and 33 of 34 PATs, which is still one of his best seasons to date. He led the NFL with a field goal percentage of 94.4. His longest field goal made was 50 yards and he was a perfect 11 for 11 between 40 and 49 yards.
Since his stint in Washington, he’s bounced around the league, never spending more than two seasons with a team. He’s spent time with nine other teams, either on their roster or practice squad. Since 2018 alone, he’s been with the Vikings, Jaguars, Patriots, Cowboys, Panthers and Bears, making 15 of 16 field goals in that stretch with Jacksonville, Dallas and New England.

He’s 9th among active players in FG percentage

Forbath may not have a reputation as being an elite kicker, but his field goal percentage is among the best in the NFL. He’s made 86.8% of his field goal attempts, which is the ninth-highest rate among active kickers. He’s led the NFL in field goal percentage twice, once in 2012 (94.4%) and again in 2016 with the Vikings (100%, 15-for-15).
He’s only attempted 151 career field goals, but he’s made 131 of them, including a long of 57 yards.

He’s only missed six career attempts between 40 and 49 yards

The Rams emphasized the importance of kickers being accurate between 40 and 49 yards this offseason, and Forbath certainly fits the bill. He’s a stellar 43-for-49 from that distance, which is 87.8%.
Forbath may not have the biggest leg, but he’s been deadly from 40-49 yards throughout his career, which is arguably the most important range for a kicker.

He’s better outdoors than in a dome

This isn’t typical of a kicker, but Forbath has actually been better throughout his career outdoors than he has been in a dome. In a dome, he’s made 37 of 46 field goal attempts (80.4%), but is 73-for-83 outdoors (88.0%). In stadiums with a retractable roof, he’s 21-for-22 (95.5%).
The Rams play in somewhat of a hybrid indoor-outdoor stadium, but it should count as a dome because there’s a roof overhead and artificial turf on the ground.

He’s won Special Teams Player of the Week twice

Forbath has won Special Teams Player of the Week twice, both in the NFC and with different teams. The first time he won it was in 2014 with Washington after making a game-winning field goal against the Cowboys.
The second time came in 2017 with the Vikings when he made six field goals, including a 52-yarder against the Ravens.

He has seven career game-winning FGs

In his career, Forbath has kicked seven game-winning field goals. His most recent one came in 2017 when he was with the Vikings, a 26-yarder with 12 seconds left on the clock to win 20-17. In 2014 alone, Forbath kicked three game-winners for Washington, the last of which was a 26-yarder against the Eagles with five seconds remaining.
 
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It's like that crazy Rams good luck is happening again. Solid kicker that was available, that shouldn't be available. Why jumping from team to team? Does he try to sell Amway products at halftime or hit on the owners GF? How is he available? We'll take him!
 

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He’s only missed six career attempts between 40 and 49 yards

The Rams emphasized the importance of kickers being accurate between 40 and 49 yards this offseason, and Forbath certainly fits the bill. He’s a stellar 43-for-49 from that distance, which is 87.8%.
Forbath may not have the biggest leg, but he’s been deadly from 40-49 yards throughout his career, which is arguably the most important range for a kicker.
I really like this and have been banging the table for it.
I have no stats to back it up but IMO this is the range where your kicker must be able to convert consistently to sustain momentum for your offense on the scoreboard.

The 50+ FG's are great(obviously) and can help turn a game, boost your offense or win a game in desperation mode, but if your offense is moving the ball well from your own 20 to the opponents 30 and you can't count on points on 4th down...that's a killer. You drove 50+ yards and came up empty.
 

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Solid kicker that was available, that shouldn't be available. Why jumping from team to team?

This one is the most puzzling. I'm sure if you talk to other fans of his previous teams they can lay down why he got replaced.

From 2012- 2015 with the Redskins he only averaged 1 XP miss and was very good from 40-49 in FGs, but his TBs were 40%.

In 2015 when he left the Redskins after 1 game he was 1-2 in FGs and his TB was 33%. They replaced him with Dustin Hopkins who was 87% in FGs, missed only 1 XP and his TB was 65%. In 2020 still with Wash.

In 2015 in 10 games with the Saints he had a 69% in FGs and missed only 1 XP but his TB was 50%. They used 2 other guys for KO's. In 2016 they replaced him with Will Lutz, whose TB rate was 52% but was perfect from 40-49 and only missed 1 XP. In 2020 still with NO.

In 2017 with the Vikings, he was 6-7 from 40-49, but missed 5 XPs and his TB was 50%. I think I know why they didn't resign him! In 2018 they replaced him with former Cowboy Dan Bailey, who followed up by making only 4-9 from 40-49 and TB at 50%. In 2020 still with Min.

In 2018 with the Jaguars, Josh Lambo was their kicker and Kai replaced him for 3 games. Only missed 1 FG (from 50+), and made all XPs. In 2019 they stuck with Lambo. From 2018-19 his FG % was over 90% incl 9-10 from 50 and over, and TB was over 60%. In 2020 they've been going through different kickers but hadn't signed Forbath again. (the question lies here!!)

In 2019 with the Cowboys he made all XPs and FGs and his TB was 65% in 3 games. In 2020 Dallas went after GZ instead of staying with Forbath. We know the leg has a better reputation for long kicks.

So what I see:

As others have said, his TB% wasn't very good, but his FG accuracy was fine without a GZ type leg from 50+.

The really good kickers may only miss 1 XP a season. (we know Sloman's early season numbers)

Forbath's replacements are mostly still on those teams.

When a kicker misses XPs, his reliability becomes a serious question.

We were spoiled to have GZ for not only his 50+ accuracy but kickoffs out of the end zone. Possibly preventing ST injuries.

If Forbath becomes the Rams' kicker, it is more than likely temporary until better comes along.
 
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Ima tell ya'll right now. The Kicker from Pitt is a beast. That kid will play on Sundays and may be worth a draft pick. Bombs.... All day.
 

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Is this the last we see of Sam Sloman? Forbath is waiting out his quarantine and will probably be available next week so this might be sloman’s last opportunity to show why he got the kicking job in the first place. I am not optimistic, missing kicks is bad enough but kicking low and having them blocked has been an issue all year. I would imagine if he could fix it he would, maybe he needs some time to work on his technique.
 

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Just going to move this to the Sloman thread
 

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The Chargers will also be hawking another kicker. I wonder who they will get. Bottomline Kickers are bigups n downs this year.
 

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Can they kick 50 yard field goals accurately? If they can, maybe there's hope yet?
 

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I really like this and have been banging the table for it.
I have no stats to back it up but IMO this is the range where your kicker must be able to convert consistently to sustain momentum for your offense on the scoreboard.

The 50+ FG's are great(obviously) and can help turn a game, boost your offense or win a game in desperation mode, but if your offense is moving the ball well from your own 20 to the opponents 30 and you can't count on points on 4th down...that's a killer. You drove 50+ yards and came up empty.
Definitely. I also don't know that McVay has a feel for Sloman's range. In fact with him needing to fix his trajectory it will probably adversely affect his range and there's just all sorts of unknowns.

When I hear "Forbath" though I don't picture a dude killing it in the 40-49 range. That's a surprise to me.