POLL: Just want to check our Sloman Pulse

[JKBOGEN]

Right, he's not Legatron.
Sloman costs half as much, has missed the same amount of XP as Z and is better at kicking off for touchback

Was talking about Legatron as a rookie. Not a fan of Sloman. I would cut him right now and make Hajrullahu or MacGinnis the kicker. Not a fan of developmental kickers. Trying to win now. Sloman had a 79% while GZ had 95% in college. He has a slightly above average leg. We will see but I'm not impressed.

 

[OldSchool]

Was talking about Legatron as a rookie. Not a fan of Sloman. I would cut him right now and make Hajrullahu or MacGinnis the kicker. Not a fan of developmental kickers. Trying to win now. Sloman had a 79% while GZ had 95% in college. He has a slightly above average leg. We will see but I'm not impressed.

Legatron as a rookie was worse than what we've seen from Sloman so far. Then GZ rebounded before having 2 years worse than his rookie season.

 

[dieterbrock]

Was talking about Legatron as a rookie. Not a fan of Sloman. I would cut him right now and make Hajrullahu or MacGinnis the kicker. Not a fan of developmental kickers. Trying to win now. Sloman had a 79% while GZ had 95% in college.(NOPE) He has a slightly above average leg. We will see but I'm not impressed.

Liram and MacGinnis are developmental kickers
And Z as a rookie hit 74% of his FG (Sloman is at 75%) and only 55% of kickoffs for TB. Sloman at 64%
And Z kicked in a dome.
And Z hit 84% of his FG in college, not 95%. In Division II when Sloman played higher competition in D1

 

[Snaz]

McVay all of a sudden got stupid ?
Don't think so
train

He looked pretty stupid in the Super Bowl.

 

[Snaz]

Based on what per the bolded?

Experience, Leg Strength and limited info I had access too.
2018 FG 100% 46 of 46 50+ 7 of 7
2019 FG 100% 47 of 47 50+ 3 of 3
Missed some PATs 2018 41/46 2019 26/28

Just seems better than Sloman so far.

 

[OldSchool]

Experience, Leg Strength and limited info I had access too.
2018 FG 100% 46 of 46 50+ 7 of 7
2019 FG 100% 47 of 47 50+ 3 of 3
Missed some PATs 2018 41/46 2019 26/28

Just seems better than Sloman so far.

Lirim is an 83% FG history in the CFL not sure where got those numbers. Also he's only 92% on XP which is terrible.

 

[Snaz]

Lirim is an 83% FG history in the CFL not sure where got those numbers. Also he's only 92% on XP which is terrible.

Lirim Hajrullahu Football DB

Last 2 years, not full career I clearly put 2018/2019 but 177/193 career 91.7% and 134/143 93.7% on XP

 

[Tano]

Legatron as a rookie was worse than what we've seen from Sloman so far. Then GZ rebounded before having 2 years worse than his rookie season.

What are you talking about?

Zuerlein did not miss an extra point in 2012 and was 16 of 18 from before the 50 in his rookie year.

That is so much better than Sloman.

Zuerlein had some difficulty from after the 50 in his rookie year going 7 of 13 but anything over 55 is at best a 50% proposition anyway. And most of his misses that year was 55 and over. And the 3 misses in the game against Miami that year - 39 52 and 66 with a 20 mph wind that day

He only had one shitty year 2016 (when the team itself was pure shit and he must have caught the disease that year) and one not so good year last year in 2019. I still think he was hurt last year for most of the year. His kickoffs didn't seem right at all last year.

All of his other years - he was damn good.

And this year - he missed one over 50 against us and two extra points against Seattle. He must have a mind freeze when he plays Seattle because a lot of his misses in his career has come against Seattle.

Other than that - he has been perfect this year.

 

[OldSchool]

Lirim Hajrullahu Football DB

Last 2 years, not full career I clearly put 2018/2019 but 177/193 career 91.7% and 134/143 93.7% on XP

So this is interesting. You’re kicking out years he wasn’t good to make his stats look better. All while being critical of a rookie? You can’t make that argument and be honest.

Lirim Hajrullahu - CFL.ca

CFL: 7 Argos: 3 Acquired: Signed as a free agent February 5, 2024 2023: Signed with Philadelphia Stars (USFL) May 17. Played 5 games. Punted 14 times for an average of 37.1 yards with a long of 51. 2022: Released by Carolina Panthers May 5…Signed with Dallas Cowboys July 11, released August 24...

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[OldSchool]

What are you talking about?

Zuerlein did not miss an extra point in 2012 and was 16 of 18 from before the 50 in his rookie year.

That is so much better than Sloman.

Zuerlein had some difficulty from after the 50 in his rookie year going 7 of 13 but anything over 55 is at best a 50% proposition anyway. And most of his misses that year was 55 and over. And the 3 misses in the game against Miami that year - 39 52 and 66 with a 20 mph wind that day

He only had one shitty year 2016 (when the team itself was pure shit and he must have caught the disease that year) and one not so good year last year in 2019. I still think he was hurt last year for most of the year. His kickoffs didn't seem right at all last year.

All of his other years - he was damn good.

And this year - he missed one over 50 against us and two extra points against Seattle. He must have a mind freeze when he plays Seattle because a lot of his misses in his career has come against Seattle.

Other than that - he has been perfect this year.

If you insist. GZ has all this leg yet isnt any better at kickoff percentage than Sloman. Also the extra points then were at the 2 yard line. GZ was 90% or over on FG only twice in his career. I loved the leg as much as anybody but it’s funny how he’s suddenly so much better in the rear view mirror than when he was a Ram.

Give the rookie a chance is all people are saying. We arent putting him on a pedestal or anything,

 

[Tano]

If you insist. GZ has all this leg yet isnt any better at kickoff percentage than Sloman. Also the extra points then were at the 2 yard line. GZ was 90% or over on FG only twice in his career. I loved the leg as much as anybody but it’s funny how he’s suddenly so much better in the rear view mirror than when he was a Ram.

Give the rookie a chance is all people are saying. We arent putting him on a pedestal or anything,

And the majority of his misses were over 50 yards in his career.

He did not miss that often under 50.

I was confident that Greg would make the FG if it was under 50 and shocked when he did miss one.

In fact, take out 2015 (not 2016) and last year when he was injured, he was 132 out of 143 92.3% for kicks under 50 and he only missed 5 XPs out of 175 attempts when it was moved back to the 13 yard line and 2 of those was in 2015 too.

No idea why he shit the bed in 2015.

I won't go into Touch Backs because I think Sloman is doing fine on kick-offs and think the short kicks are more on the coach's instructions than Sloman not reaching the end zone. I think both Sloman and Zuerlein are instructed to kick it short on purpose occasionally. No idea why because a lot of injuries occur during kick-offs that are being returned.

Just an FYI - Zuerlein was just so so on 50 + kicks. 33 out of 55 or 60%. Better than half made so I was always 50 50 on Zuerlein attempting a plus 50 yarder and also in retrospect, quite a few of those misses were right before half time when they made Zuerlein kick over 55 yards (especially during the Fisher years).

 

[Snaz]

So this is interesting. You’re kicking out years he wasn’t good to make his stats look better. All while being critical of a rookie? You can’t make that argument and be honest.

Lirim Hajrullahu - CFL.ca

CFL: 7 Argos: 3 Acquired: Signed as a free agent February 5, 2024 2023: Signed with Philadelphia Stars (USFL) May 17. Played 5 games. Punted 14 times for an average of 37.1 yards with a long of 51. 2022: Released by Carolina Panthers May 5…Signed with Dallas Cowboys July 11, released August 24...

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No my point was he was better option, he's gone through the growing pains. 2 years seems more accurate for how would perform now that say 3 or 4 years ago.

Wasn't trying to make any stats looks better but all 4 years I posted and he's still better than Sloman so far.

Again, I don't have all the info the coaches have but I still feel they made the wrong choice.

I'd rather be wrong and eat crow, but it didn't seem like the right choice after training camp and it still doesn't now.
Opinion is opinion. Stats are stats. But I'm not their with that choice that others are.

 

[Oldgeek]

Lirim is an 83% FG history in the CFL not sure where got those numbers. Also he's only 92% on XP which is terrible.

Considering he was kicking outside with weather and wind, I think he would be a better choice.

 

[dieterbrock]

What are you talking about?

Zuerlein did not miss an extra point in 2012 and was 16 of 18 from before the 50 in his rookie year.

That is so much better than Sloman.

Zuerlein had some difficulty from after the 50 in his rookie year going 7 of 13 but anything over 55 is at best a 50% proposition anyway. And most of his misses that year was 55 and over. And the 3 misses in the game against Miami that year - 39 52 and 66 with a 20 mph wind that day

He only had one shitty year 2016 (when the team itself was pure shit and he must have caught the disease that year) and one not so good year last year in 2019. I still think he was hurt last year for most of the year. His kickoffs didn't seem right at all last year.

All of his other years - he was damn good.

And this year - he missed one over 50 against us and two extra points against Seattle. He must have a mind freeze when he plays Seattle because a lot of his misses in his career has come against Seattle.

Other than that - he has been perfect this year.

So he gets excuses but Sloman doesnt? Interesting.
Of course Z also kicked in a dome and the XP in 2012 was from the 2 yard line, but hey lets not include facts here...
Z was only 4 of 6 30-39, Sloman is already 5 for 5
Z despite his strong leg, (and kicking in a dome) only converted 37 of 67 kickoffs for a touchback (55.2%) Where Sloman is 18 of 28 (64.3%)
Zuerlein had some shaky rookie moments, and was worth keeping around. So far, the same can be said about Sloman.

 

[dieterbrock]

No my point was he was better option, he's gone through the growing pains. 2 years seems more accurate for how would perform now that say 3 or 4 years ago.

Except it is an unequivocal fact that he wasnt the better option, Sloman is. Proof of which is that he is kicking on Sundays and Liram cant even get a practice squad gig
Kicking in Canada is meaningless, it's not NFL

 

[Tano]

So he gets excuses but Sloman doesnt? Interesting.
Of course Z also kicked in a dome and the XP in 2012 was from the 2 yard line, but hey lets not include facts here...
Z was only 4 of 6 30-39, Sloman is already 5 for 5
Z despite his strong leg, (and kicking in a dome) only converted 37 of 67 kickoffs for a touchback (55.2%) Where Sloman is 18 of 28 (64.3%)
Zuerlein had some shaky rookie moments, and was worth keeping around. So far, the same can be said about Sloman.

See my response

I don't give a damn about touchbacks

And Zuerlein was almost automatic on extra points

Zuerlein was an awesome placekicker for us. Missed too many over 50 to my liking but was damn consistent under 50 (including extra points).

And I was only defending Zuerlein in my post against Old Schools post that Sloman was so much better than Zuerlein in his rookie year.

So far they are about equal on kicking field goals except Sloman hasn't been asked to kick over 50 other than the 1 time

Sloman may become an awesome placekicker for us but right now, he is missing way too many extra points for my liking.

Too often a missed extra point comes back to haunt the team at the end of the game.

One other point - Sloman may as well be kicking in a dome because of the roof with only the openings at the side.

I doubt much wind gets into the stadium being a few miles inland and all.

It is surprising how there is so much wind at the beach but get one mile away from the beach there is hardly any wind.

I lived two blocks from the beach in Redondo Beach in the 90s and I mainly only encountered wind when I went down the steps to the beach. After 8 PM it would get windy beyond the beach.

 

[OldSchool]

No my point was he was better option, he's gone through the growing pains. 2 years seems more accurate for how would perform now that say 3 or 4 years ago.

Wasn't trying to make any stats looks better but all 4 years I posted and he's still better than Sloman so far.

Again, I don't have all the info the coaches have but I still feel they made the wrong choice.

I'd rather be wrong and eat crow, but it didn't seem like the right choice after training camp and it still doesn't now.
Opinion is opinion. Stats are stats. But I'm not their with that choice that others are.

But if he was outplayed in camp how is he a better option. That’s what seems to be forgotten. McVay said it was a close battle all camp and Sloman made the case by being better the last 2-3 weeks of camp. How does that make Lirim better if he can’t beat out Sloman?

 

[OldSchool]

Considering he was kicking outside with weather and wind, I think he would be a better choice.

Again in a training camp battle he wasn’t a better choice because Sloman beat him out in an open competition. That simple fact argues that Lirim wasn’t in fact a better choice. Also the fact he hasn’t been picked up yet after a dozen or more kicker transactions and Lirim still hasn’t been picked up further argues he wasn’t a better choice.